For Sale: Yaesu FT-817nd and LDG Z-817 in Mississauga ON Canada
Hello all!
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I am selling my Yaesu FT-817nd. It works great, but it's taught me that I don't enjoy 5w HF SSB very much. I'm also selling my LDG Z-817 tuner which I did not use more than two or three times.
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I am the second owner of this radio. It is in very good condition. I'm asking $600 CAD OBO for the radio with basic accessories, and $125 CAD OBO for the tuner. I do not have the original box. I can deliver or meet within the GTA and KW regions.
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Included in base price ($600):
-Yaesu FT-817nd 5w 160m-70cm QRP Transceiver
-Yaesu MH-36 full keypad hand mic
-XGGCOMMS Digimode-4-Yaesu USB cable - complete Audio, CAT, and programming interface, over $100 CAD new!
-Powerpole adapter
-Original 6m whip. 2m tip was not present when I bought the radio.
-Original oscillator board
-High-stability TCXO
-Original neck strap
-Original car charger
-Original internal NiMH battery
-Ebay replacement internal NiMH battery
-Mini 5w peak 50Ω BNC dummy load to protect the BNC connector
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Optional Accessories, sold separately: (I will not sell these before the radio sells)
$125 - LDG Z-817 autotuner with CAT cable
$20 - Homebrew TRRS PC/phone headset adapter. Works great with VOX!
$10 - Hard sided pencil case/organiser I used to store the radio
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Please email me at ve3gkt@... for photos if you are interested!
73 Joseph VE3GKT
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I no longer have the 817 or its clone cable?
But WHAT IF ?the difference is only drivers
See image for? drivers
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Clone memory frome 817 to 818
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It has been a while so I don't remember how or why I know this but the 818 requires a different cable between it an Chirp
This (image) solved my issue
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John
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Hi,
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switching the FL-110 via the ptt line is drawing quite some current. If I remember it right, it is arround 100 mA.
To check, just put a amperemeter in line and ground the contact. This may be a bit much for the ptt out of the 817/818 and a buffer stage may be advised.
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73, Chris
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Re: Power output instable
Hi Pietro,
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I too had an issue with instable power and swr with my FT-817, which took me quite some time to track down.
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The final unit has some kind of gray shielfing foil on top. With the shielding removed, the power and swr on a dummy load were stable.
After assemling the shielding and the case, the erratic behavior started again.
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In the end an additional insulating piece of a plasic foil between the pa board and the gray shieling foil cured it for my unit.
It may or may not be a solution fo your unit, but it would be a simple try.
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Good luck, 73
Chris
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Ah. Memories weren't mentioned, hence the confusion.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:38 AM, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote: Joseph,
The OP isn't talking about upgrading from FT-817 to FT-818, he wants to clone memories and settings from one to the other.
If he were considering an upgrade from one to the other, there is the issue of vendor repair if the radio breaks - first model FT-817 (non-ND) are no longer able to be repaired by Yaesu, according to recent reports. That could be an issue for some, since the original FT-817 radios are as much as 20 years old...
But, function/specification-wise, yes, the radios are nearly identical. Ken, N2VIP On Oct 20, 2024, at 13:41, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io <N1khb@...> wrote:
?Is there really that much of a difference between the two models to be concerned about an upgrade?
Joe N1KHB? On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM, Tobias KK7BCO/2M0TFF <feltusfecit1@...> wrote: There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.
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Joseph,
The OP isn't talking about upgrading from FT-817 to FT-818, he wants to clone memories and settings from one to the other.
If he were considering an upgrade from one to the other, there is the issue of vendor repair if the radio breaks - first model FT-817 (non-ND) are no longer able to be repaired by Yaesu, according to recent reports. That could be an issue for some, since the original FT-817 radios are as much as 20 years old...
But, function/specification-wise, yes, the radios are nearly identical.
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On Oct 20, 2024, at 13:41, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io <N1khb@...> wrote:
?Is there really that much of a difference between the two models to be concerned about an upgrade?
Joe N1KHB? On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM, Tobias KK7BCO/2M0TFF <feltusfecit1@...> wrote: There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.
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I was unable to directly clone between an FT-817 "unmodified", and an FT817 "modified" i.e. "wide-banded" radios.
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First I downloaded a data-file from the target radio and populated it (copy and paste) with the required entries from a data file downloaded from the source radio. I was then able to upload the edited data file to the target radio. I used CHIRP.
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As another example, I have found that widebanding a VX-6 radio alters its signature, so direct cloning between a modified and nonmodfied VX-6 is not possible.? I suspect the signature of an 817 is not the same as that from 818, so to "clone" between them you need to use the procedure above.
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Gordon VE3JSJ
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Is there really that much of a difference between the two models to be concerned about an upgrade?
On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM, Tobias KK7BCO/2M0TFF <feltusfecit1@...> wrote: There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.
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There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.
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I would suggest using Chirp. A direct clone may not be possible due to hardware changes. Chirp works very well with my 817ND, just follow the instructions in software.?
73
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On Oct 20, 2024, at 08:24, William Shadid via groups.io <w9mxq@...> wrote:
? Note that RT Systems shows a different product to program the FT-817 than for the FT-818. On models that have identical systems, such as the Yaesu FT-897 and FT-837, they sell the same program, in the same package to cover both. I would suggest that there is, as you suggest, some small difference between the two.
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-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?
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Note that RT Systems shows a different product to program the FT-817 than for the FT-818. On models that have identical systems, such as the Yaesu FT-897 and FT-837, they sell the same program, in the same package to cover both. I would suggest that there is, as you suggest, some small difference between the two.
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-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?
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G’day Leicester,
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Good question, wish I could give you an answer!
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Perhaps the 817 and the 818 are just different enough that a clone from one
to the other won’t work?
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Maybe another approach like using Chirp to read the 817 then transfer that
to the 818?
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Just a thought...
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73,
Steve VK2ARS
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From: Leicester Hibbert via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2024 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ft817] Clone FT817 to FT818
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Hi All,
I’m having trouble trying to clone a FT817
to a friend’s FT818 using FTBasicMMO with a CT-62 cable, and a direct Clone
Cable as described on P69 of the FT817 Handbook.
In both cases the procedure ends abruptly
with an error message. Am I wrong to think it should work?
73
Leicester Hibbert
VK4ALH
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From: Leicester Hibbert <rhi55057@...>
Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2024 4:28 PM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: Clone FT817 to FT818? Hi All, I’m having trouble trying to clone a FT817 to a friend’s FT818 using FTBasicMMO with a CT-62 cable, and a direct Clone Cable as described on P69 of the FT817 Handbook. In both cases the procedure ends abruptly with an error message. Am I wrong to think it should work? 73 Leicester Hibbert VK4ALH ?
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Re: Power output instable
As a reminder, Yaesu shipped the FT-817, FT-817nd, and FT-818 with not only a battery pack, but also an antenna collection (2m, 6m, and 70cm) and shoulder strap. They obviously viewed this as a portable radio which could also be used in a shack.
In that context, defaulting to the front panel BNC makes sense, or, at a minimum, isn't a 'mistake' when considered logically.
The power consumption of the antenna select relay is 20 mA/hr (??), if an operator kept that relay energized for the entirety of their operating session, how much shorter would their operating session be? In un-squelched receive the radio consumed 450 mA, full-power transmit 2,000 mA. In pure, un-squelched RX, it would reduce operating time 20 mA / 450 mA, or about 4.45%. If keying down constantly, 20 mA / 2,000 mA, or about 1%. If we were running constant, worst-case FT8 (15 seconds of RX, then 15 seconds TX, -continuously), then the reduction in operating time would be 20 mA / 1,225 mA, or about 1.6%.
That's a loss of about 1 minute for each anticipated hour of operation.
Is this really something we need to consider as a meaningful "waste" of battery power?
I don't think so, but I understand opinions vary.
/soapbox
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On Oct 17, 2024, at 14:05, Al WB9UVJ <markaren1@...> wrote:
As a reminder, Yaesu designed the radio so that the front connector is the normally closed contact of the relay.? To use the rear connectors, power is supplied to the relay coil.? AS this is the most often used output, Yaesu kind of missed the definition of "low power" since the radio uses more power for the rear connector than the front.
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Re: Power output instable
Pietro,
Sorry to have been away for a few days.? I looked at your pictures of the display and the SWR does seem a little high.? The radio cuts back on power when the SWR goes up to protect the finals.? In the photo the radio is making power.? Now, many people have reported that the output relay does seem to go intermittent from time to time.? I believe that is do to either dirty contacts on the relay or reduced input voltage that is preventing the relay to make the switch.? Just for myself, I know the contacts are somewhat self cleaning when the relay operates.? Since I have several memories programed, on HF, VHF and UHF, I programmed one memory to use the front antenna connector.? By switching between that memory and a normal memory using the rear antenna connector, I can exercise the relay several times rapidly.? As a reminder, Yaesu designed the radio so that the front connector is the normally closed contact of the relay.? To use the rear connectors, power is supplied to the relay coil.? AS this is the most often used output, Yaesu kind of missed the definition of "low power" since the radio uses more power for the rear connector than the front.
I had a unique situation on my radio in that in UHF, the SWR always showed a little higher than the VHF.? And it showed different that an outboard SWR meter.? So I went looking for an issue inside the radio.? What I found was a small cap that must have fallen into the radio during assembly in the UHF SWR circuitry.? All of the other parts were correct.? So I removed the cap, readjusted the SWR bridge and checked the software.? Now the internal SWR meter agrees with an external meter and I no longer have HSWR warnings.?? My previous 817 also suffered from the relay contact issue.
Good luck
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Al Skierkiewicz
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Just like going to the dentist. Did Ali Express finally deliver? I’m hoping my battery pack gets her soon. We ordered our parts about the same time.? Mike Davis WA1MAD
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On Oct 17, 2024, at 2:24?PM, davebb123456 <davidbrowne76@...> wrote:
? Hi were did you get them from in the end,
Dave 2E0DMB
The radio doesn't want you to do surgery on it! LOL Ken, N2VIP On Oct 17, 2024, at 11:17, Pietro Molina <pietro@...> wrote:
? I got the pin diodes but suddenly, yesterday, it starts to work at full power. Astonishing, disorienting...
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Hi were did you get them from in the end,
Dave 2E0DMB
The radio doesn't want you to do surgery on it! LOL Ken, N2VIP On Oct 17, 2024, at 11:17, Pietro Molina <pietro@...> wrote:
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I2OIM
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The radio doesn't want you to do surgery on it! LOL
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On Oct 17, 2024, at 11:17, Pietro Molina <pietro@...> wrote:
? I got the pin diodes but suddenly, yesterday, it starts to work at full power. Astonishing, disorienting...
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I got the pin diodes but suddenly, yesterday, it starts to work at full power. Astonishing, disorienting...
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I2OIM
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Tobias KK7BCO/2M0TFF
Kevin - K5KTM
Al WB9UVJ
Pietro Molina