Re: Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks
Hello,
Due to first hand experience, I will never use CHIRP again to program any radio!
I bricked my 817ND with it. I had to pay for the recovery procedure at Yeasu,? due to using CHIRP. Yeasu stated using CHIRP voided my warentee.
I have sence used RT Systems's ADMS-4A
for programming my 817ND.
In fact, I now use RT Systems software for ALL 6 of my radios.
It is only $25.00, for lifetime use and full support and updates. If you need a programming cable with the software, it is $49.00.
Others have used CHIRO with little or no problems, but it is use at your own risk.
I myself, do not want to take anymore risks with expensive radios.
Anyway, that is my experience with CHIRP.
Clyde KC7BJE?
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Re: Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks
Hi Larry. I have an 817ND and using a generic cable off of Amazon I had no trouble at all with programming it with chirp. I followed the instruction in the software to the letter and found programming to be a doddle.?
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On Jan 23, 2025, at 04:46, Michael Newbury via groups.io <michael.newbury@...> wrote:
? Some lines taken from other posts here and there,
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Yaesu advised against using Chirp software.
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CHIRP is not specifically designed to work with Yaesu's somewhat unusual software. It can be massaged to work, but it can brick the radio
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Yaesu has repeated time after time that they WILL NOT repair radios bricked by using Chirp
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Yaesu has said they will not repair radios damaged by using Chirp.
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Yaesu has repeatedly advised against programming their radios with Chirp. They caution that there is a history of Yaesu radios being bricked by Chirp. Yaesu has also said they won't repair radios under warranty that are damaged by Chirp.
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Do a search and make your own mind up if you want to chance it or not
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Mick SA4MDN
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Re: Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks
Some lines taken from other posts here and there,
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Yaesu advised against using Chirp software.
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CHIRP is not specifically designed to work with Yaesu's somewhat unusual software. It can be massaged to work, but it can brick the radio
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Yaesu has repeated time after time that they WILL NOT repair radios bricked by using Chirp
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Yaesu has said they will not repair radios damaged by using Chirp.
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Yaesu has repeatedly advised against programming their radios with Chirp. They caution that there is a history of Yaesu radios being bricked by Chirp. Yaesu has also said they won't repair radios under warranty that are damaged by Chirp.
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Do a search and make your own mind up if you want to chance it or not
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You cant go wrong with RTSystems software, i use it for 5 Yeasu radios,?
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Mick SA4MDN
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Re: Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks
Hi Larry, ? I haven’t heard of problems using Chirp with the FT8x7 group of radios although I have previously used FTBasicMMO for programming mine (817, 857 & 897) and always had good results with it. ? You may be confusing the problem with the problems with the early versions of Ham Radio Deluxe for rig control which wrote to some memory locations continuously eventually stuffing the memory and hence bricking the radio. Yaesu put out a bulletin about this many years ago and the later versions removed the options which caused this. ? Although the author, Bob Freeth G4HFQ is SK, the program is still available at . ? 73….Eric VK2VE. ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Larry Nix via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2025 12:38
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ft817] Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks? I am using my 817 again. I've had it since a year or two after they came out. Gets used in spurts but I have never used programing software such as CHIRP.? Main reason is that once upon a time I read that chirp(and others) had a habit of bricking certain Yaesu radios.? Was this a thing? has it been addressed?? I don't mind entering things from the keyboard but starting up in a new area with a dozen or so rptrs, new HF nets, M17 etc, it would be nice to do it by cptr. And, if not chirp are there any proven apps?
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Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks
I am using my 817 again. I've had it since a year or two after they came out. Gets used in spurts but I have never used programing software such as CHIRP.? Main reason is that once upon a time I read that chirp(and others) had a habit of bricking certain Yaesu radios.? Was this a thing? has it been addressed?? I don't mind entering things from the keyboard but starting up in a new area with a dozen or so rptrs, new HF nets, M17 etc, it would be nice to do it by cptr. And, if not chirp are there any proven apps?
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Thanks for any thoughts
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Larry
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Great advice!
Em seg., 20 de jan. de 2025, 17:42, Jeff WN1MB via <jwbauer= [email protected]> escreveu:
I like the way you think, Barry!
Though real estate within the FT-817 case is at a premium, including
an automatically switched load for the unused antenna port would
have been a superb design addition to the rig.
Then again, I suppose there's only so much idiot proofing a
manufacturer is going to provide.
72/73, Jeff WN1MB
On 1/20/25 15:25, Barry Salt via
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I allways?put a 50ohm?dummy load on the
antenna?output that is not in use.
Having to replace the output pa transistors?in not fun and
expensive.
I hope this solves some of your concern for the pa on the
FT-817.
73 Barry ZL2TSP
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I have managed to work stations in 6 m FT8 (FRONT), 2 m and 70 cm FM (FRONT) and 10 m FT8 (REAR) after.
As you've said: probably nothing damaged. Phew! Em dom., 19 de jan. de 2025, 15:02, Mike Davis via <maddmd818= [email protected]> escreveu:
That’s hard to tell. Probably nothing damaged if you are still able to transmit on all bands as expected. I know the concern. But if it’s working normally, it’s not like you’ve partially hurt something. If you ruined the finals you’d be putting out nothing or milli watts. Have you made any SSB contacts or listened to yourself on kiwi sdr or web sdr? Do you have a power meter and dummy load to test output? Hopefully someone else will have a better answer or suggestion. Today I was racing the bands so much during a POTA activation that I noticed I CQ'd two times 5 W in FT8?on 6 m using the wrong output (antenna was in the rear but the menu was selected FRONT). After I noticed, I corrected and the radio operated normally on both outputs (apparently).
How much did I ruin the radio??
Daniel.
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I like the way you think, Barry!
Though real estate within the FT-817 case is at a premium, including
an automatically switched load for the unused antenna port would
have been a superb design addition to the rig.
Then again, I suppose there's only so much idiot proofing a
manufacturer is going to provide.
72/73, Jeff WN1MB
On 1/20/25 15:25, Barry Salt via
groups.io wrote:
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I allways?put a 50ohm?dummy load on the
antenna?output that is not in use.
Having to replace the output pa transistors?in not fun and
expensive.
I hope this solves some of your concern for the pa on the
FT-817.
73 Barry ZL2TSP
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I allways?put a 50ohm?dummy load on the antenna?output that is not in use. Having to replace the output pa transistors?in not fun and expensive. I hope this solves some of your concern for the pa on the FT-817. 73 Barry ZL2TSP
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I think the FT817 screen will show a high SWR warning and foldback the power output, I’ve been in the same boat before and no harm done.
73 Paul 2E0YOB
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I had a poorly tuned 2 meter dipole, purchased online, antenna that made my FT817ND display flash a warning message of high SWR(???) during RTTY transmissions, and the finals never failed.? (maybe once, transmitted full power without an antenna, maybe). ? Later tuned that antenna with my NanoVNA.? The ND seems to be pretty rugged to abuse.? Electronics, by design, can take short duration abuse, polarity swaps in SOME instances on 5VDC devices.? I say enjoy that radio until it fails.
On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 04:04:54 PM EST, M0RON via groups.io <eustace.andy@...> wrote:
The 817nd is pretty robust,? I've had a 70cms 5w usb qso over 10 miles without a connected antenna. Other than a weaker than normal signal no damage done. You should be fine.
Andy
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The 817nd is pretty robust,? I've had a 70cms 5w usb qso over 10 miles without a connected antenna. Other than a weaker than normal signal no damage done. You should be fine.
Andy
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If it is still putting out the expected power, it's OK.
Today I was racing the bands so much during a POTA activation that I noticed I CQ'd two times 5 W in FT8?on 6 m using the wrong output (antenna was in the rear but the menu was selected FRONT). After I noticed, I corrected and the radio operated normally on both outputs (apparently).
How much did I ruin the radio??
Daniel.
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That’s hard to tell. Probably nothing damaged if you are still able to transmit on all bands as expected. I know the concern. But if it’s working normally, it’s not like you’ve partially hurt something. If you ruined the finals you’d be putting out nothing or milli watts. Have you made any SSB contacts or listened to yourself on kiwi sdr or web sdr? Do you have a power meter and dummy load to test output? Hopefully someone else will have a better answer or suggestion.
Today I was racing the bands so much during a POTA activation that I noticed I CQ'd two times 5 W in FT8?on 6 m using the wrong output (antenna was in the rear but the menu was selected FRONT). After I noticed, I corrected and the radio operated normally on both outputs (apparently).
How much did I ruin the radio??
Daniel.
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Today I was racing the bands so much during a POTA activation that I noticed I CQ'd two times 5 W in FT8?on 6 m using the wrong output (antenna was in the rear but the menu was selected FRONT). After I noticed, I corrected and the radio operated normally on both outputs (apparently).
How much did I ruin the radio??
Daniel.
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You are right. I was mistaken. I thought blinking only works with a built-in battery only. I just checked out, the indicator switches from none to blinking, with external power with a voltage less than ~11.5V.
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Serguei VE3KDE
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Not really. Blinking indicator means the radio produces 5W, but voltage is less than ~11V. This works with a built-in battery only. With the external battery there is no blinking indicator at all, the 5W output with indicator disappeared or 2.5W with solid three bars only. Therefore you can get 5W with voltage less than ~11V from built-in battery (blinking indicator), but you cannot get 5W from external battery with less than ~11V (no disappeared or blinking indicators, three bars or less only).
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Serguei VE3KDE
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Following Blasco's advice, today I used a Powerwerx meter:
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With Bioenno (LIII not blinking but with all 9 bars from PO indicator lit):
RX: 0.35 A, 13.06 V, 4.7 W
TX: 2.3 A, 12.90 V, 29.6 W
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Screen:
RX: 13.0 V
TX: 12.1 V
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With Windcamp:
Screen:
RX: 11.0 V
TX: 9.9 V (from this voltage on, the LIII icon was able to blink)
Regardless of blinking, all 9 bars from the PO indicator were lit.
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The behaviour seems contrary to what Serguei said, but in accordance with what Andy said.
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Daniel PY2TDB.
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Michael, The damage that can be done to the FT-8xx series of radios is why Yaesu recommended to the HAM RADIO DELUXE folks to remove the capability to read/write to that same area. The later versions of HRD no longer R/W to those memory locations. So consider the benefit opposed to the final cost.
It's your rig, use it the way you like.
John VE7KKQ??????????????????????????????
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 1:11?PM Michael Davis via <maddmd818= [email protected]> wrote: I finally got the bluetooth CAT device for my 817 and am using Dan Toma’s Pocket TxRx lite after difficulty on an older Android phone. It is a very slick program. Dan gives all sorts of warnings of the potential that the program could damage the radio or radio operating system. He strongly suggests that a backup file be made, just in case the radio file gets damaged, corrupted or whatever. Does anyone know how to make a backup file for the FT817, non ND? I’ll check YouTube and Google again, to see if I can find something. Thanks
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El sáb, 11 ene 2025, 21:11, Michael Davis via <maddmd818= [email protected]> escribió: I finally got the bluetooth CAT device for my 817 and am using Dan Toma’s Pocket TxRx lite after difficulty on an older Android phone. It is a very slick program. Dan gives all sorts of warnings of the potential that the program could damage the radio or radio operating system. He strongly suggests that a backup file be made, just in case the radio file gets damaged, corrupted or whatever. Does anyone know how to make a backup file for the FT817, non ND? I’ll check YouTube and Google again, to see if I can find something. Thanks
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Clyde Lambert
Kevin - K5KTM
Michael Newbury SA4MDN
Jeff WN1MB
M0RON