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Re: Output power

Douglas Richards
 

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On Oct. 14, 2022 at 2:00 p.m., davebb123456 <davidbrowne76@...> wrote: 

Let us know what was wrong with it,
Dave

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, 18:20 Douglas Richards, <ve3ffr@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone.? I'm? just letting you know that I have decided to send the radio to a technician for possible repair.?
Again thank you all for your help.
73
Douglas Richards VE3FFR?


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:51 p.m., Douglas Richards <ve3ffr@...> wrote: 

Ok, I just tested use CW.?
Display screen says TX err
73
Douglas?


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:12 p.m., John N8JJO <n8jjo@...> wrote: 

Try testing HF using CW and let us know.











    
 
 



    





   





   



					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Let us know what was wrong with it,
Dave


				
					
					

					


On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, 18:20 Douglas Richards, <ve3ffr@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone.? I'm? just letting you know that I have decided to send the radio to a technician for possible repair.?
Again thank you all for your help.
73
Douglas Richards VE3FFR?


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:51 p.m., Douglas Richards <ve3ffr@...> wrote: 

Ok, I just tested use CW.?
Display screen says TX err
73
Douglas?


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:12 p.m., John N8JJO <n8jjo@...> wrote: 

Try testing HF using CW and let us know.











   
 
 



   





  



					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Thanks everyone.? I'm? just letting you know that I have decided to send the radio to a technician for possible repair.?
Again thank you all for your help.
73
Douglas Richards VE3FFR?



				
					
					

					


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:51 p.m., Douglas Richards <ve3ffr@...> wrote: 

Ok, I just tested use CW.?
Display screen says TX err
73
Douglas?


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:12 p.m., John N8JJO <n8jjo@...> wrote: 

Try testing HF using CW and let us know.











   
 
 



   



					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 06:41:44 -0700
"Christopher Maness" <christopher.maness@...> wrote:

Do you have a schematic?
For the mod?

-- 

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This morning a list member in a collins group I'm a member of apologetically offered a Collins 500 KC CW for $299 - he said he knew the price was outrageous, but that's what they fetch.

He was right, he had a buyer within 10 minutes!

Your comment made me think of it...

Ken, N2VIP

				
					
					

					


On Oct 14, 2022, at 03:15, Steve Sawicki via groups.io <ab2et@...> wrote:

The Funny Part  that I noticed, that in some recent Florida Hamfests You can pick up a FT-817 for the Asking "Cost" of a Collins CW Filter. 
Best Regar
Steve AB2ET/4

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Do you have a schematic?


				
					
					

					


On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 5:53 AM Brian Morrison <bdm@...> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:43:40 -0700

"Petr Ourednik" <indians@...> wrote:



> The smaller TCXO case is latest actual version, the bigger one

> TTSO1NS-P1 package is older one produced in 2018.



It's worth looking at the spec of the TCXO module, the TTS01NS part is

intended to run from 3V but is 5V tolerant although with a significantly

worse temperature coefficient. Whatever the new part is may be similar.



I modified my TTS01NS based older TCXO-9 with a 3V SOT-23 low noise LDO

regulator with several extra decoupling caps fitted too. It is back to

better stability with this mod.



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Brian Morrison? ?G8SEZ















					


				
				

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Thanks,
Chris Maness
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:43:40 -0700
"Petr Ourednik" <indians@...> wrote:

The smaller TCXO case is latest actual version, the bigger one
TTSO1NS-P1 package is older one produced in 2018.
It's worth looking at the spec of the TCXO module, the TTS01NS part is
intended to run from 3V but is 5V tolerant although with a significantly
worse temperature coefficient. Whatever the new part is may be similar.

I modified my TTS01NS based older TCXO-9 with a 3V SOT-23 low noise LDO
regulator with several extra decoupling caps fitted too. It is back to
better stability with this mod.

-- 

Brian Morrison   G8SEZ

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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What frq on RX And then by TX? Maybe split mode and second vfo out od ham band.
73
Alex OK4AS?

Dne p¨¢ 14. 10. 2022 1:52 u?ivatel Douglas Richards <ve3ffr@...> napsal:

				
					
					

					


Ok, I just tested use CW.?
Display screen says TX err
73
Douglas?


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:12 p.m., John N8JJO <n8jjo@...> wrote: 

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SSB does not generate a carrier when the PTT is pressed.? You need audio to cause an actual signal to be generated.? Use CW and a key.

Take care, 
Mark

        
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                    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 07:34:56 AM EDT, Eric van de Weyer <groups.io@...> wrote:
                

                


                


                
You need to use FM on HF/6 as well to get a carrier to measure.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Douglas Richards
Sent: Friday, 14 October 2022 09:26
To: ft817 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ft817] Output power
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On hf I was using lsb, vhf/uhf, I was using fm.
Douglas?
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On Oct. 13, 2022 at 6:23 p.m., Ron Wright via groups.io <lt_wright_flg@...> wrote: 
Make sure you are using the correct antenna connector, front or rear.? Will have "R" on display if rear. 
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The connector can be selected in menu for different bands.
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There is only one PA for all the bands so if working on one band should be on all.
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Be careful with the PA.? The rig has little to no protection so if using the wrong connector or bad load it can damage the PA if in TX for long period.
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One other note, what mode you using for your test???
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73, ron, n9ee/r
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
Hernando Co ARES EC
Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@...
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On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 05:57:07 PM EDT, davebb123456 <davidbrowne76@...> wrote: 
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Very cheap fix if DIY,
Dave
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2022, 22:03 Douglas Richards, <ve3ffr@...> wrote:
Afternoon?
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Name here is Douglas Richards VE3FFR?
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I just recently purchased my Ft-817, and after charging the battery I was able to test the output? power.?
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Vhf approximately 5-6 watts
Uhf approximately 3-4 watts
Hf and 6m, non existence.
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According to my serial number? research,?
my rig was made in 2000, September, lot 81 and the 0028 unit made.?
Any suggestions? greatly appreciated.?
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Thank you
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73
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Douglas Richards VE3FFR?
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Hi Douglas,
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The antenna port can be selected for each band individually. 
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An ¡®R¡¯ will be on the screen next to the Frequency when the rear connector is selected. No R = Front (BNC) connector. 
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The default is HF/6 on rear, VHF/UHF on front.
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73¡­.Eric VK2VE.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Douglas Richards
Sent: Friday, 14 October 2022 09:31
To: ft817 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ft817] Output power
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According to the switch on the Rtsystems? software, vhf and uhf are on the rear.
Douglas?
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On Oct. 13, 2022 at 6:28 p.m., Clyde Lambert <clyde.lambert@...> wrote: 
Sorry, but there is a BNC ANTENNA PORT on the front, mainly for UHF & VHF.
So, NO ALL antennas are NOT on the back.?
Clyde KC7BJE? 

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You need to use FM on HF/6 as well to get a carrier to measure.
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73¡­.Eric VK2VE.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Douglas Richards
Sent: Friday, 14 October 2022 09:26
To: ft817 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ft817] Output power
?
On hf I was using lsb, vhf/uhf, I was using fm.
Douglas?
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On Oct. 13, 2022 at 6:23 p.m., Ron Wright via groups.io <lt_wright_flg@...> wrote: 
Make sure you are using the correct antenna connector, front or rear.? Will have "R" on display if rear. 
?
The connector can be selected in menu for different bands.
?
There is only one PA for all the bands so if working on one band should be on all.
?
Be careful with the PA.? The rig has little to no protection so if using the wrong connector or bad load it can damage the PA if in TX for long period.
?
One other note, what mode you using for your test???
?
73, ron, n9ee/r
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
Hernando Co ARES EC
Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@...
?
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On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 05:57:07 PM EDT, davebb123456 <davidbrowne76@...> wrote: 
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Very cheap fix if DIY,
Dave
?
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022, 22:03 Douglas Richards, <ve3ffr@...> wrote:
Afternoon?
?
Name here is Douglas Richards VE3FFR?
?
I just recently purchased my Ft-817, and after charging the battery I was able to test the output? power.?
?
Vhf approximately 5-6 watts
Uhf approximately 3-4 watts
Hf and 6m, non existence.
?
According to my serial number? research,?
my rig was made in 2000, September, lot 81 and the 0028 unit made.?
Any suggestions? greatly appreciated.?
?
Thank you
?
73
?
Douglas Richards VE3FFR?
?
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Virus-free.
 

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Good Morning Petr,
Yes the Internet is? very wide and deep If you do Find the Information Please Post, I Have tried different variations so far No Luck.
So Far In All Of My Years of? FT-817's Operations I have Not Noticed " phase noise" problem. Did Notice what may be interpreted as " phase noise"? when USERS where using? Switching? PSU "Bricks and even "Fancy" Switching Power Supplies that? where curable? that had "noise offset" adjustment capabilities The "Bricks" even the best still had what som with ( 20 year old hearing) abilities, Hi Hi may call " phase noise" .
The Funny Part? that I noticed, that in some recent Florida Hamfests You can pick up a FT-817 for the Asking "Cost" of a Collins CW Filter. 
Best Regar
Steve AB2ET/4

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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TX error normanly shows up when out of band so check your freq, but there are other possiblities for the TX error.

Mick SA4MDN

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Ok, I just tested use CW.?
Display screen says TX err
73
Douglas?



				
					
					

					


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 7:12 p.m., John N8JJO <n8jjo@...> wrote: 

Try testing HF using CW and let us know.











  
 
 

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Try testing HF using CW and let us know.

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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									Douglas Richards
								
							
						
					

					

						
							


						
						 
						
							
							
						
						
					

				

			

			

			

				
According to the switch on the Rtsystems? software, vhf and uhf are on the rear.
Douglas?



				
					
					

					


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 6:28 p.m., Clyde Lambert <clyde.lambert@...> wrote: 

Sorry, but there is a BNC ANTENNA PORT on the front, mainly for UHF & VHF.
So, NO ALL antennas are NOT on the back.?
Clyde KC7BJE?


   



					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Sorry, but there is a BNC ANTENNA PORT on the front, mainly for UHF & VHF.
So, NO ALL antennas are NOT on the back.?
Clyde KC7BJE?

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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									Douglas Richards
								
							
						
					

					

						
							


						
						 
						
							
							
						
						
					

				

			

			

			

				
On hf I was using lsb, vhf/uhf, I was using fm.
Douglas?



				
					
					

					


On Oct. 13, 2022 at 6:23 p.m., Ron Wright via groups.io <lt_wright_flg@...> wrote: 

Make sure you are using the correct antenna connector, front or rear.? Will have "R" on display if rear. 

The connector can be selected in menu for different bands.

There is only one PA for all the bands so if working on one band should be on all.

Be careful with the PA.? The rig has little to no protection so if using the wrong connector or bad load it can damage the PA if in TX for long period.

One other note, what mode you using for your test???

73, ron, n9ee/r

Ron Wright, N9EE/R
Hernando Co ARES EC
Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@...

        



         
        

            

                 
                

                    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 05:57:07 PM EDT, davebb123456 <davidbrowne76@...> wrote:
                

                


                


                
Very cheap fix if DIY,
Dave

On Thu, 13 Oct 2022, 22:03 Douglas Richards, <ve3ffr@...> wrote:
Afternoon?

Name here is Douglas Richards VE3FFR?

I just recently purchased my Ft-817, and after charging the battery I was able to test the output? power.?

Vhf approximately 5-6 watts
Uhf approximately 3-4 watts
Hf and 6m, non existence.

According to my serial number? research,?
my rig was made in 2000, September, lot 81 and the 0028 unit made.?
Any suggestions? greatly appreciated.?

Thank you

73

Douglas Richards VE3FFR?





   





   



            

        



   



					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

							Re: Output power
							
						
					

				

				

			
			

				

					


						
							

								
								
							

						
					

					

						
							


						
						 
						
							
							
						
						
					

				

			

			

			

				
Make sure you are using the correct antenna connector, front or rear.? Will have "R" on display if rear. 

The connector can be selected in menu for different bands.

There is only one PA for all the bands so if working on one band should be on all.

Be careful with the PA.? The rig has little to no protection so if using the wrong connector or bad load it can damage the PA if in TX for long period.

One other note, what mode you using for your test???

73, ron, n9ee/r

Ron Wright, N9EE/R
Hernando Co ARES EC
Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@...

        



        
        

            

                
                

                    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 05:57:07 PM EDT, davebb123456 <davidbrowne76@...> wrote:
                

                


                


                
Very cheap fix if DIY,
Dave


				
					
					

					


On Thu, 13 Oct 2022, 22:03 Douglas Richards, <ve3ffr@...> wrote:
Afternoon?

Name here is Douglas Richards VE3FFR?

I just recently purchased my Ft-817, and after charging the battery I was able to test the output? power.?

Vhf approximately 5-6 watts
Uhf approximately 3-4 watts
Hf and 6m, non existence.

According to my serial number? research,?
my rig was made in 2000, September, lot 81 and the 0028 unit made.?
Any suggestions? greatly appreciated.?

Thank you

73

Douglas Richards VE3FFR?





  





  


            
        

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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FT817 uses the same TX power train for all bands (unlike '857 and most other all-band radios)
If you have zero power on some band it is very unlikely to be any of the transistors.

Look at the block diagram (pg 5 of service manual)

- Relay RL3017 is the HF/ VU filter switch.
- there are pin diode switches on the IF board that select HF filter bank
- there are control signals in the front panel flex that could interfere with the switching
- There are eeprom settings for each band that might be able to turn the power off
- front rear antenna relay as already mentioned - an RX noise check should let you know that it really is working the way you think it is for those bands.

Measuring the DC current on AM TX might tell you if the finals are running but there is a break after them (e.g. RL3017).
(There are mini-jumpers for the driver and final transistors VDD, so it is also quite easy to check actual final current.)

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
	

	
	
	
	


	

		
		
		
		
		
	

	

		
		
		
		
		
	

	
	

		
		
		
		
	



	

		

			
	
		

			
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