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45 Deg Setup Square


 

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Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Imran,

Are you referring to this lever, picture attached?

Second pic is the knob I was pulling down on.

Thx,

Wade








On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:14 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Mark,

I expected that as the gradations are so far away. If you can make joints with no gaps then it is good enough for me. Perhaps operator error then.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Imran,

Which slider do you have again?

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:14 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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So it sounds like a person could make pretty decent miters without investing in the precision miter table accessory? ?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:24 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Mark,

I expected that as the gradations are so far away. If you can make joints with no gaps then it is good enough for me. Perhaps operator error then.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Oops! that is s different design than mine. I would try loosening the knob that secures the long fence to the outrigger until someone with your design chimes in. See red arrow in your pic below.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

Are you referring to this lever, picture attached?

Second pic is the knob I was pulling down on.

Thx,

Wade








On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:14 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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K975 from 2006

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

Which slider do you have again?

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:14 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

Imran,

That is the reason I have the miter index with length compensation on my KF700sp.?

I made a long picture frame (5 feet) for a friend before, one cut, perfect miter and perfect fit.

For people making picture frame regularly, DGL is the jig to buy.?

And Hoffmann dovetail key is the best method to join the picture frame, no clamping, the joint is tight and never fails.

James?

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 9:50 AM imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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That knob you indicated, is the pivot point lock. ?Tech said to leave that alone to set up for miters. ?The pic here shows the two handles I am suppose to move/loosen, which I do. ?Then I can pivot the fence down a bit over the outrigger, with no problem, but then when I pull on that small underside knob it doesn’t allow the fence to slide either way. ?I’m suppose to be able to get the fence to slide closer to the blade during a miter set up. ?Just kind of scratching my head right now. ?

Thx,

Wade



On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:28 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Oops! that is s different design than mine. I would try loosening the knob that secures the long fence to the outrigger until someone with your design chimes in. See red arrow in your pic below.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

Are you referring to this lever, picture attached?

Second pic is the knob I was pulling down on.

Thx,

Wade








On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:14 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Ah…okay. Thx?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:30 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
K975 from 2006

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

Which slider do you have again?

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:14 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Wade, that fence has a stop on it that when you pull the fence to the left it stops so it won’t move past it. When i had the same fence, the first thing i did was move the stop to the other side of the pins and then recalibrate the scale so you can pull it away which i do sometimes when ripping a lot of lumber.

The reason it is not this way from the factory is that there is a possibility (not really) that when material is slammed (because that is what it would take to maybe move it) against a stop it will move the fence and you calibration would be lost.

The DRO fence does not have this issue as there is a drop pin that you pull and the fence can move either way, sounds like this is what the tech was thinking.


Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
So it sounds like a person could make pretty decent miters without investing in the precision miter table accessory? ?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:24 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Mark,

I expected that as the gradations are so far away. If you can make joints with no gaps then it is good enough for me. Perhaps operator error then.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Ok, duh. Should have looked at the pic closer?

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Mark Kessler via groups.io <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Wade, that fence has a stop on it that when you pull the fence to the left it stops so it won’t move past it. When i had the same fence, the first thing i did was move the stop to the other side of the pins and then recalibrate the scale so you can pull it away which i do sometimes when ripping a lot of lumber.

The reason it is not this way from the factory is that there is a possibility (not really) that when material is slammed (because that is what it would take to maybe move it) against a stop it will move the fence and you calibration would be lost.

The DRO fence does not have this issue as there is a drop pin that you pull and the fence can move either way, sounds like this is what the tech was thinking.


Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
So it sounds like a person could make pretty decent miters without investing in the precision miter table accessory? ?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:24 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Mark,

I expected that as the gradations are so far away. If you can make joints with no gaps then it is good enough for me. Perhaps operator error then.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Mark,

Yeah , I thought the tech mentioned the small release knob allows me to bypass that stop that is pinned in the underside track. ?

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:37 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Ok, duh. Should have looked at the pic closer?

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Mark Kessler via groups.io <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Wade, that fence has a stop on it that when you pull the fence to the left it stops so it won’t move past it. When i had the same fence, the first thing i did was move the stop to the other side of the pins and then recalibrate the scale so you can pull it away which i do sometimes when ripping a lot of lumber.

The reason it is not this way from the factory is that there is a possibility (not really) that when material is slammed (because that is what it would take to maybe move it) against a stop it will move the fence and you calibration would be lost.

The DRO fence does not have this issue as there is a drop pin that you pull and the fence can move either way, sounds like this is what the tech was thinking.


Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
So it sounds like a person could make pretty decent miters without investing in the precision miter table accessory? ?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:24 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Mark,

I expected that as the gradations are so far away. If you can make joints with no gaps then it is good enough for me. Perhaps operator error then.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Mark,

What you describe would not allow you to move the fence closer to the blade when you pivot it for an angle. Does it work okay for 45 miters with end of fence that far away?

I always thought the reason of it to be that way is to be able to slide closer for angled cuts.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Wade, that fence has a stop on it that when you pull the fence to the left it stops so it won’t move past it. When i had the same fence, the first thing i did was move the stop to the other side of the pins and then recalibrate the scale so you can pull it away which i do sometimes when ripping a lot of lumber.

The reason it is not this way from the factory is that there is a possibility (not really) that when material is slammed (because that is what it would take to maybe move it) against a stop it will move the fence and you calibration would be lost.

The DRO fence does not have this issue as there is a drop pin that you pull and the fence can move either way, sounds like this is what the tech was thinking.


Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
So it sounds like a person could make pretty decent miters without investing in the precision miter table accessory? ?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:24 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Mark,

I expected that as the gradations are so far away. If you can make joints with no gaps then it is good enough for me. Perhaps operator error then.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Imran, I can only assume thats why you would want the stop so the fence won’t move to the left lf you bang it too hard I can remember my Scmi in the 90’s was the same way because I changed it there.?

Yes there is a trade off, in the past I never used it for miters, mostly all square cuts in ply. You could make a quick change nose i had some ideas but don’t need to bother anymore with the current fence

Regards, Mark

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:59 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
Mark,

What you describe would not allow you to move the fence closer to the blade when you pivot it for an angle. Does it work okay for 45 miters with end of fence that far away?

I always thought the reason of it to be that way is to be able to slide closer for angled cuts.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Wade, that fence has a stop on it that when you pull the fence to the left it stops so it won’t move past it. When i had the same fence, the first thing i did was move the stop to the other side of the pins and then recalibrate the scale so you can pull it away which i do sometimes when ripping a lot of lumber.

The reason it is not this way from the factory is that there is a possibility (not really) that when material is slammed (because that is what it would take to maybe move it) against a stop it will move the fence and you calibration would be lost.

The DRO fence does not have this issue as there is a drop pin that you pull and the fence can move either way, sounds like this is what the tech was thinking.


Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

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So it sounds like a person could make pretty decent miters without investing in the precision miter table accessory? ?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:24 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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Mark,

I expected that as the gradations are so far away. If you can make joints with no gaps then it is good enough for me. Perhaps operator error then.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Thanks James but too late for that for me. I have a machine like Hoffman for putting them together but need to figure out how to do repeatable 45s quickly.

Imran?

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:32 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

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Imran,

That is the reason I have the miter index with length compensation on my KF700sp.?

I made a long picture frame (5 feet) for a friend before, one cut, perfect miter and perfect fit.

For people making picture frame regularly, DGL is the jig to buy.?

And Hoffmann dovetail key is the best method to join the picture frame, no clamping, the joint is tight and never fails.

James?

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 9:50 AM imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran


 

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Wade,

Sorry, thought you were trying to pivot the long xcut fence. It is a good idea to start a new thread with a different question so thick heads like me who can’t read will give you a better answer ?

No sweat though, we all have been guilty of piggy backing a question somewhat related to the current conversation. However, search works better when the subject heading is directly related to the question.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

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That knob you indicated, is the pivot point lock. ?Tech said to leave that alone to set up for miters. ?The pic here shows the two handles I am suppose to move/loosen, which I do. ?Then I can pivot the fence down a bit over the outrigger, with no problem, but then when I pull on that small underside knob it doesn’t allow the fence to slide either way. ?I’m suppose to be able to get the fence to slide closer to the blade during a miter set up. ?Just kind of scratching my head right now. ?

Thx,

Wade



On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:28 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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Oops! that is s different design than mine. I would try loosening the knob that secures the long fence to the outrigger until someone with your design chimes in. See red arrow in your pic below.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

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Imran,

Are you referring to this lever, picture attached?

Second pic is the knob I was pulling down on.

Thx,

Wade








On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:14 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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Wade,

You need to loosen the kip lever at the end of the extrusion that has the angle gradations.

Imran

On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

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Imran,

So did you use your large cross cut fence to make these miters for the frame? ?I’m still not sure why my large cross cut fence will not slide down away from the blade when I pivot for a miter set up. ?I pulled down on the small black knob under the fence, which is what the tech guy said to do, but it won’t move. ?Not sure if there another step I’m not doing.

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?Yes I do, Pretty much dead nuts every time. Can’t remember what amount it can be off but its very minimal, for those that like extreme precision it’s not good enough - i’m a hack so it works for me…

Regards, Mark



On Feb 12, 2022, at 9:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Does using the 45 deg marking for the long xcut fence work for you to make perfect 45s, let’s say for a simple frame?

I used my precision 45 deg square for making this frame but it is only 6” on the long side. Frame?is fine but not to my standard. Maybe, I should not have sold the frame square saw.



I found 2 options, if a setup square is recommended but there is no accuracy provided.



I know someone is going to suggest miter saw but not everything fits my miter saw.

Imran