Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey
#6 Cu is rated for 55A @ 60C #6 AL is rated for 50A @ 75C
I believe NEC derate for the wires to be in the wall cavity. Is there a different standard for machine cables/ext wires? I guess it would have to be based upon the length of said cable.
In the same vain, as you stated, the wires that my felder machines came with are substantially smaller gauge than what I had to use per code.
Imran
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On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote: ?
I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3
SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.
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What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.
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I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.
I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).
Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit
I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.
So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand
for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.
A couple weeks later I got a check. .
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On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:
With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held
together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.
I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched
or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance
they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.
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Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey
I guess Felder manual was written for a 3 phase machine in Europe.
The max current draw is different between a single phase and 3 phase motor. For example, 28 amp for 5hp (230v) single motor, 15.2 amp for 5hp (230v) three phase motor.? ?
James
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 6:55 PM TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote:
I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3
SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.
?
What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.
?
I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.
I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).
Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit
I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.
So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand
for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.
A couple weeks later I got a check. .
?
On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:
With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held
together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.
I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched
or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance
they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.
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Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey
I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3
SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.
?
What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.
?
I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.
I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).
Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit
I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.
So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand
for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.
A couple weeks later I got a check. .
?
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On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:
With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held
together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.
I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched
or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance
they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.
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Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey
I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160
said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching
his head).
Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit
I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league
Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my
fault.
So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I
would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to
provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their
contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my
demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring
job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to
suite in all states.
A couple weeks later I got a check. .
On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson
wrote:
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With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted
to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and
basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard
would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.?
It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored
cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held
together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS
driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front
door.
I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very
good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I
needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look
very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched
or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004
K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've
received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson,
asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me
assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850
and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it
installed and the saw running.
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Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey
With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.
I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.
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Re: RL125 Collecting Chips in Back Right Corner
From what I read on Internet they do offer a solution for chips/dust lodged in the main filter pleats: antistatic filter. I am not sure how it works, but I guess if this is like antistatic hoses, dust should not get attach to it and thus chips should have no way to cement with dust in the pleats, and the cleaning brush should remove the chips if any.
Bill
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Re: RL125 Collecting Chips in Back Right Corner
Thanks Bill. I really think that they should have a cheap throw away pre filter. That would prevent the chips from getting lodged in the main filter pleats.
My homemade air scrubber has a 2¡¯x2¡¯ low Merv pre filter.?
Imran
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On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?Cannot really help here,
However, on my RL140, I have some dust coming down when I pull the cart, mostly from the side where you have the inlet. It should correspond to your back right corner. Just a droplet, so I vacuum it. I never let the bag get full. As an hobbyist, I am not consuming enough bags to bother with the number of bag I consume. I change them when it is about 3/4 full. I also always vacuum the inside of the RL, including the filter when I change the bag, so this area cannot accumulate too much dust over time.
I guess this is due to the design of the machine.
Bill
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Re: RL125 Collecting Chips in Back Right Corner
Cannot really help here,
However, on my RL140, I have some dust coming down when I pull the cart, mostly from the side where you have the inlet. It should correspond to your back right corner. Just a droplet, so I vacuum it. I never let the bag get full. As an hobbyist, I am not consuming enough bags to bother with the number of bag I consume. I change them when it is about 3/4 full. I also always vacuum the inside of the RL, including the filter when I change the bag, so this area cannot accumulate too much dust over time.
I guess this is due to the design of the machine.
Bill
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Re: Machinery Max: GRIGGIO 3200E 10' SLIDING TABLE SAW yr 2005 * 9HP - MISSISSAUGA, CANADA
Patrick,
I just love machinery. It is a shame that I did not get into WW until late, so sadly i have no knowledge of the old iron as some here do.
I am sure that a quick way to kill the said love is to make it a job to earn a living.
Imran
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On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote: ? Imran,
I¡¯m going to pay you to be my machinery broker in a few years when I have a bigger space.?
Patrick On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Here is another with DRO in xcut fence: ?
? Imran
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RL125 Collecting Chips in Back Right Corner
So I have been using RL125 for few months now. It is an older (2003) machine that I bought used.
When I pull the drum to change the bag there is always a load of chips, that collect in the back right side corner, that end up on the floor. In order to avoid that I pretty much need to change the bag half full. Is this normal?
I should add that the drum fills in that corner causing the chips to pile up above the drum and into the corner cavity above.
If this is not suppose to happen then could it be a sign that I need to change filter?
As I write this, I am wondering if I could just simply add something in that corner to prevent collection. Will check when back in shop to see if I can do this w/o obstructing something. It is a pain to sweep floor every time I change bags.
Anyhow, I have adjusted the wipers to 10mm with no difference. BTW, are the filter pleats suppose to be loaded with chips? It seems to work fine but not sure if it will work better if that was not the case.
Another factor could be the flap at the inlet. Seems to work fine but just thought I mention it, in case it can cause the uneven fill.
Imran
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
James
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H < rhorton@...> wrote: That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @? FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
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Re: Machinery Max: GRIGGIO 3200E 10' SLIDING TABLE SAW yr 2005 * 9HP - MISSISSAUGA, CANADA
Imran,
I¡¯m going to pay you to be my machinery broker in a few years when I have a bigger space.?
Patrick
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Here is another with DRO in xcut fence: ?
? Imran
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
Rarely see nice Felder machines from Canadian shops on Machinery Max.
I think the brand new Kappa 400 is 30k+ CAD$ plus tax. Just wondering why the shop sells this one year old CNC saw.?
James
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:07 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: FYI, ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Imran
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Re: Self Retracting Air & electric Reels?
I have this dual arm air hose reel from Tekton. Well built, very good quality rubber hose and so far works very well.  ? ? ? ? ??  Ariel
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Machinery Max: GRIGGIO 3200E 10' SLIDING TABLE SAW yr 2005 * 9HP - MISSISSAUGA, CANADA
Here is another with DRO in xcut fence: ? ? Imran
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Wow, that looks new!
Bill B¨¦langer
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 9:05 AM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
FYI, ? https://machinerymax.com/Event/Details/25653840/yr-2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400-NC-SLIDING-TABLE-SAW-AS-WW-in-TORONTO-CANADA?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Imran
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Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Felder FB 610 Problems
Rants are OK. It helps those of us who have had issues feel like we're not alone.
Bill B¨¦langer
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 4:32 AM < ppc970@...> wrote: I took delivery of a new Felder FB 610 bandsaw back in October and encountered the following issues which were introduced during the re-packaging process out of Delaware (confirmed by a Felder tech):
1.) Various gouges and dents on the front upper and middle quadrants of the machine base frame.
2.) Broken adjustment cam on the upper blade guide (for whatever reason they actually tossed the broken cam into another parts bag enclosed with this machine).?
3.) Bent blade protection device and possibly distorted rack for the upper blade guide (covered below).?
I contacted Felder and they sent a service tech out to perform a quick on-site inspection a few days after delivery. We put together a replacement parts list to cover anything damaged in transit. I was told that our replacement parts would arrive within the next 4 weeks. More than 60 days later I still don¡¯t have any updated schedule for the parts I¡¯ve requested. I¡¯ve had to call or email Felder repeatedly (to little success) in order to get information pertaining to shipping for additional in process orders or replacement parts from the service department.?
I¡¯ve spent multiple weeks attempting to get this bandsaw to re-saw straight without success. The rack for the upper blade guide wasn¡¯t 90 degrees from the table nor was it parallel to the blade. I¡¯ve re-adjusted this component nearly a dozen times (my father and I have rebuilt the saw multiple times) and I¡¯ve never been able to get it closer than 1 degree off 90 for a ~1-2¡± depth of cut and this angle changes by nearly a degree when moving from ~2¡± to 20¡± making the bandsaw useless for wide re-saw which is one of my intended use cases. I also feel a concerning amount of play within the gear mechanism so I¡¯m starting to suspect this issue might be a defect somehow introduced during manufacturing. It¡¯s really too bad since I bought a Hammer A3-41 planer / thicknesser combination machine earlier this year and I love it (awesome machine with zero problems).?
I¡¯m starting to find Felder¡¯s service department disappointing since I asked them what the proper torque values are for the two M6 bolts which control the rack adjustment within the upper frame -- I was given the following response: ¡°good and tight but not too much¡±.
Really??
I¡¯ve verified that the upper and lower wheels are coplanar (they are -- although this shouldn¡¯t matter) and my 3/8¡± blade is tracking the center of both wheels. I¡¯m at the point where I think I should just request a replacement since I¡¯ve been stuck without a functional bandsaw for the last 3 months and Felder hasn't been terribly motivated to resolve the issues we¡¯ve encountered with this machine. Any advice is greatly appreciated and I apologize for the rant.
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Bill Belanger
Jason Holtz