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Re: Kappa 400 auction

 

Yes very low miles. Curious to know what that costs new and what it will go for.


Re: The Unofficial Survival Guide

 

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Now there is an asset that is increasing in value with time !!!

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 9:11:34 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] The Unofficial Survival Guide
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well it is not the million dollars I was predicting but looks like you are going to do well with this sale ?

Imran

On Dec 31, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:

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David has a bridge to sell too Imran...

Bill B¨¦langer

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 6:32 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
How come I see $480 on Ebay vs the $2K posted here?

Imran

On Dec 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, david@... via <david=[email protected]> wrote:

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OK, Bill, this is getting serious now.

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On Dec 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:

I have placed my copy of "The Unofficial Survival Guide" for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.

Bill B¨¦langer


Re: The Unofficial Survival Guide

 

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well it is not the million dollars I was predicting but looks like you are going to do well with this sale ?

Imran

On Dec 31, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:

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David has a bridge to sell too Imran...

Bill B¨¦langer

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 6:32 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
How come I see $480 on Ebay vs the $2K posted here?

Imran

On Dec 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, david@... via <david=[email protected]> wrote:

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OK, Bill, this is getting serious now.

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On Dec 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:

I have placed my copy of "The Unofficial Survival Guide" for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.

Bill B¨¦langer


Re: The Unofficial Survival Guide

 

David has a bridge to sell too Imran...

Bill B¨¦langer

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 6:32 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
How come I see $480 on Ebay vs the $2K posted here?

Imran

On Dec 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, david@... via <david=[email protected]> wrote:

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OK, Bill, this is getting serious now.

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On Dec 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:

I have placed my copy of "The Unofficial Survival Guide" for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.

Bill B¨¦langer


Re: Self Retracting Air & electric Reels?

 

Thanx guys - when you start searching for this stuff it all sounds good, and you have no real idea if the "reviews" are real.

The strongway is reasonably priced @ $170 currently.

The Tekton has some weird pricing - $170 for the 1/2" hose, BUT $270 for the 3/8" hose (which would be far better for nail guns). I'm guessing it's just a fluke supply/demand/seller thing. May watch the prices for a bit to see what happens.


Re: The Unofficial Survival Guide

 

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How come I see $480 on Ebay vs the $2K posted here?

Imran

On Dec 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

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OK, Bill, this is getting serious now.

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On Dec 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:

I have placed my copy of "The Unofficial Survival Guide" for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.

Bill B¨¦langer


Re: The Unofficial Survival Guide

 

Very tempting...

Bill B¨¦langer?

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 01:24 david@... via <david=[email protected]> wrote:
OK, Bill, this is getting serious now.





On Dec 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:

I have placed my copy of "The Unofficial Survival Guide" for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.

Bill B¨¦langer


Re: The Unofficial Survival Guide

 

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OK, Bill, this is getting serious now.





On Dec 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:

I have placed my copy of "The Unofficial Survival Guide" for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.

Bill B¨¦langer


Re: The Unofficial Survival Guide

 

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Hey Bill, you going to split this with me?





On Dec 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:

I have placed my copy of "The Unofficial Survival Guide" for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.

Bill B¨¦langer


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

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The most legal remedy is using 90 degree #6 wire, but that¡¯s stupid as you¡¯re just paying to heat up the inside of your wall/conduit; not a great situation considering the whole point of an electric car is efficiency. If the charger manufacturer spent $.02 more and put lugs capable of the right size wire, this would all be so much easier.?

On Dec 30, 2020, at 9:02 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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Got it, TJ.

Imran

On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

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True, but a 50A continuous load must have a breaker larger than 50A because of the 80% rule (there are special breakers rated for 100% load, but they aren¡¯t what you¡¯d put in your home power box), which is actually a 65A breaker, commonly rounded down to 60A. 60A breakers should have #4.

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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:34 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

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#6 Cu is rated for 55A @ 60C

#6 AL is rated for 50A @ 75C

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I believe NEC derate for the wires to be in the wall cavity. Is there a different standard for machine cables/ext wires? I guess it would have to be based upon the length of said cable.

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In the same vain, as you stated, the wires that my felder machines came with are substantially smaller gauge than what I had to use per code.

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Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

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I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3 SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.

?

What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.

?

I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

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I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .

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On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

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Got it, TJ.

Imran

On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

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True, but a 50A continuous load must have a breaker larger than 50A because of the 80% rule (there are special breakers rated for 100% load, but they aren¡¯t what you¡¯d put in your home power box), which is actually a 65A breaker, commonly rounded down to 60A. 60A breakers should have #4.

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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:34 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

?

#6 Cu is rated for 55A @ 60C

#6 AL is rated for 50A @ 75C

?

I believe NEC derate for the wires to be in the wall cavity. Is there a different standard for machine cables/ext wires? I guess it would have to be based upon the length of said cable.

?

In the same vain, as you stated, the wires that my felder machines came with are substantially smaller gauge than what I had to use per code.

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

?

I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3 SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.

?

What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.

?

I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

?

I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .

?

On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

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On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:34 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?
#6 Cu is rated for 55A @ 60C
#6 AL is rated for 50A @ 75C

I believe NEC derate for the wires to be in the wall cavity. Is there a different standard for machine cables/ext wires? I guess it would have to be based upon the length of said cable.

In the same vain, as you stated, the wires that my felder machines came with are substantially smaller gauge than what I had to use per code.

Imran

On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

?

I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3 SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.

?

What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.

?

I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

?

I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .

?

On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

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It is the nature of discussion forums - topics drift and circle back. You can take comfort that so far no one is disagreeing with you about Harvey.?

On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Robert Johnson <woodewe@...> wrote:

?Interesting; I say nice things about Harvey and the thread immediately circles back to the frustration with Felder?
I should have started my message with the title as "Harvey, Dealing with...", except then I'll would have been reminded this site is supposed to be Felder centrist ;-).
-Bob


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

Interesting; I say nice things about Harvey and the thread immediately circles back to the frustration with Felder?
I should have started my message with the title as "Harvey, Dealing with...", except then I'll would have been reminded this site is supposed to be Felder centrist ;-).
-Bob


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

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True, but a 50A continuous load must have a breaker larger than 50A because of the 80% rule (there are special breakers rated for 100% load, but they aren¡¯t what you¡¯d put in your home power box), which is actually a 65A breaker, commonly rounded down to 60A. 60A breakers should have #4.

?

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:34 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

?

#6 Cu is rated for 55A @ 60C

#6 AL is rated for 50A @ 75C

?

I believe NEC derate for the wires to be in the wall cavity. Is there a different standard for machine cables/ext wires? I guess it would have to be based upon the length of said cable.

?

In the same vain, as you stated, the wires that my felder machines came with are substantially smaller gauge than what I had to use per code.

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

?

I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3 SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.

?

What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.

?

I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

?

I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .

?

On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

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#6 Cu is rated for 55A @ 60C
#6 AL is rated for 50A @ 75C

I believe NEC derate for the wires to be in the wall cavity. Is there a different standard for machine cables/ext wires? I guess it would have to be based upon the length of said cable.

In the same vain, as you stated, the wires that my felder machines came with are substantially smaller gauge than what I had to use per code.

Imran

On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

?

I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3 SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.

?

What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.

?

I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

?

I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .

?

On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

I guess Felder manual was written for a 3 phase machine in Europe.

The max current draw is different between a single phase and 3 phase motor. For example, 28 amp for 5hp (230v) single motor, 15.2 amp for 5hp (230v) three phase motor.? ?



James


On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 6:55 PM TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:

I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3 SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.

?

What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.

?

I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

?

I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .

?

On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

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I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3 SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.

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What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.

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I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

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I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .

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On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq.
 

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I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).

Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit

I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.

So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.

A couple weeks later I got a check. .


On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.


Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey

 

With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.

I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.