Hi?Jay, A day where you don¡¯t laugh at yourself is a wasted day, in my opinion. Same thing goes for a day where you don¡¯t learn anything new. You got both for the price of one there, so today is a success! I have a 2004 kf700, and I¡¯ve never used my 30mm spindle (I use my 1 1/4¡± constantly, 1¡± sometimes, and router spindle regularly). If it fits your machine, I¡¯d be happy to sell it to you, though I¡¯m not sure how to check compatibility. And yes, you need two belts, which I happen to have extras of, again, if they¡¯re compatible. Happy to make measurements and take pictures.?
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 12:28 PM, woodbeach via groups.io <woodbeach@...> wrote: ok, now I'm just embarrassed. I literally just laughed at my self in the workshop. I pulled the knob and the spindle came right out. For some reason i have just thought of the knob as a spindlelock for when you're unscrewing the collar and such.
I hope this does not get me thrown right out of the group. If so, I deserve it.
Thank you so much for taking it down to dummie level for me :)??
FYI my spindel setup/arrangement looks identical to yours, as far as i can tell. Does this mean that my choice of spindles increases? I have been eying the quick change setup but i guess that only fits even newer models than yours.
-jay
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Here is the plate from my machine. (Note the nice 400v sticker;))  How do you handle the 60Hz issue? add/remove weight? -jay
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When i talked to the local Felder dealer, who i think talked to Felder in Austria, they said all spindles for my machine was discontinued and not available. If this is not the case i will be a happy man:)
Is there anywhere special you see these for sale used?
thanks.
?-jay??
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Glad it worked out. I am kind of surprised that the spindle is not available for this circa of KF. I believe following (from us_eshop) is the 3 speed spindle for my 2002 machine. It says out of stock but that does not mean, discontinued.
Now eshop is known to have incorrect info. I always confirm with sale staff for correct part number in a case like this. If you share your machine label, I can check with Felder USA for availability at least in USA. Hopefully, your machine was sold in USA. USA, spindle will be for 60Hz but that can be handled later. First step is to confirm whether it is discontinued or not.
Imran
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On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:28 PM, woodbeach via groups.io <woodbeach@...> wrote: ?ok, now I'm just embarrassed. I literally just laughed at my self in the workshop. I pulled the knob and the spindle came right out. For some reason i have just thought of the knob as a spindlelock for when you're unscrewing the collar and such.
I hope this does not get me thrown right out of the group. If so, I deserve it.
Thank you so much for taking it down to dummie level for me :)??
FYI my spindel setup/arrangement looks identical to yours, as far as i can tell. Does this mean that my choice of spindles increases? I have been eying the quick change setup but i guess that only fits even newer models than yours.
-jay
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Shaper spindles for your machine should be available from Felder. They also come up used fairly frequently.
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On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:28 PM, woodbeach via < woodbeach@...> wrote:
ok, now I'm just embarrassed. I literally just laughed at my self in the workshop. I pulled the knob and the spindle came right out. For some reason i have just thought of the knob as a spindlelock for when you're unscrewing the collar and such.
I hope this does not get me thrown right out of the group. If so, I deserve it.
Thank you so much for taking it down to dummie level for me :)??
FYI my spindel setup/arrangement looks identical to yours, as far as i can tell. Does this mean that my choice of spindles increases? I have been eying the quick change setup but i guess that only fits even newer models than yours.
-jay
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Yes, dual51 is 4 post table elevation. As you can see the thickness is very close on ends and slightly thicker in middle. I believe a 20¡± wide board will reflect a combination of 3 runs as, I doubt that the planer head would behave any different.
Imran PS, I see copy paste error on last row (feed location note). Also my triangles moved when I see the file on iphone.
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On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Shawn Kammerer via groups.io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote: ?
Fantastic! Well done research there. And every number on there is within the stated tolerance of .1mm. Maybe a 20¡± wide board would be over that from one edge to the other, but that is impressive?for a woodworking machine. The table mechanism on a 741 is a single post, 4 posts on a 941, and I¡¯m guessing your dual51 is a step up from the 941 raising and lowering mechanics, so mileage may vary model to model.? -Shawn? On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 12:00 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Hi Shawn, ? As for the accuracy of planer is concerned see attached. This is just my data and is not designed for communicating to others. Hopefully, you can make sense of it. Feel free to ask any questions. ? Imran ? ? You¡¯re right, .785 is the same as 19.94mm, but .785 is the closest the indicator can get to 20mm, and since it¡¯s set up for resetting to 20mm (being made in Austria), I¡¯m thinking that when we reset, we are actually resetting to 20mm whether or not we¡¯re in metric, and it just calls is .785 if you¡¯re in imperial. My assumptions have gotten me in trouble before though. But while I¡¯m at it, why not one more assumption? These machines are incredible for repeatability to a fine tolerance in woodworking terms, but I¡¯m dubious if it is actually always getting it within .1 mm or .005¡±. -Shawn
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 10:29 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Thanks for sharing that calibration also works in inches. I obviously do not know exactly how the SW works, but with what you shared should one not caliper the material to 0.785¡±, if using inches? Seems like it would be more accurate because 20mm = 0.787¡± and 0.785¡± = 19.9mm. I know many here likely don¡¯t care about getting down to that level of accuracy for wood. ? Imran¡¯s advice worked perfect for my 941. But if you¡¯re in inches and don¡¯t want to switch to mm, you can do the same process and just mill a board to 20mm, checking with calipers, then hold the reset button, and it¡¯ll reset the number to .785. -Shawn
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 9:17 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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Thanks ¨C after I confirm with Joe that this looks similar to what he got and get some pricing I will send a note ¨C then a separate email the individuals who have requested one to get shipping addresses.? I will also take a look at the least expensive way to ship (ie have them ship direct or to me and then re-ship which I know is a bunch of tasks but I have not bought from overseas before so not sure if I can get them to do this individually. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Alex Bowlds Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 2:49 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] ProLock spindle locking mech ? Hi Michael, I¡¯m guessing there will be some freight/shipping costs associated with this project. ?My UPS/FedEx delivery address is 2321 Fort Bragg Rd, Willits, CA. 95490. ?If you use USPS, it is 925 Fort Bragg Rd, Willits, CA. 95490. ?Sorry, USPS here is a bit problematic. Anyway, I hope that helps you with dealing with determining shipping/mailing costs. Thanks for bearing the brunt of this bulk purchase project. ? Alex ? Joe ¨C ? Procap responded and said that this is what they believe they had sent to you for the 1 ?¡± spindle.??? Can you take a look and let me know if it looks right??? I have only seen the version on the martin spindle and it was a little different so wanted to check. ? ? ? Folks ¨C for the pricing the order they also asked about how many we need.? Thus far I have the following folks ¡ let me know if there are more or Less. ??I will get pricing and then confirm with individuals: ? Brian G ¨C 1 Alex Bowlds ¨C 1 Joe Jenson ¨C 2 Michael Todrin ¨C 1 Eric Janson ¨C 1 ? Thanks ? ? ? ? ? Yes, Dave Davies and Michael Marisco, sorry about the "No items found," and here's bit more information. I spoke with Carl Knapp (Felder sales) back when that 2020 holiday VIP special was on and he came up with the part number then added it to my order. I believe the price was $265, minus the 10% VIP discount, plus shipping, so it would indeed be nice if they could come up with some more. I placed the order in mid-December and it took til March for the order to coalesce and ship in one box (ref. the outrageous shipping rates in another FOG thread!).
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ok, now I'm just embarrassed. I literally just laughed at my self in the workshop. I pulled the knob and the spindle came right out. For some reason i have just thought of the knob as a spindlelock for when you're unscrewing the collar and such.
I hope this does not get me thrown right out of the group. If so, I deserve it.
Thank you so much for taking it down to dummie level for me :)??
FYI my spindel setup/arrangement looks identical to yours, as far as i can tell. Does this mean that my choice of spindles increases? I have been eying the quick change setup but i guess that only fits even newer models than yours.
-jay
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Fantastic! Well done research there. And every number on there is within the stated tolerance of .1mm. Maybe a 20¡± wide board would be over that from one edge to the other, but that is impressive?for a woodworking machine. The table mechanism on a 741 is a single post, 4 posts on a 941, and I¡¯m guessing your dual51 is a step up from the 941 raising and lowering mechanics, so mileage may vary model to model.? -Shawn?
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 12:00 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Hi Shawn, ? As for the accuracy of planer is concerned see attached. This is just my data and is not designed for communicating to others. Hopefully, you can make sense of it. Feel free to ask any questions. ? Imran ? ? You¡¯re right, .785 is the same as 19.94mm, but .785 is the closest the indicator can get to 20mm, and since it¡¯s set up for resetting to 20mm (being made in Austria), I¡¯m thinking that when we reset, we are actually resetting to 20mm whether or not we¡¯re in metric, and it just calls is .785 if you¡¯re in imperial. My assumptions have gotten me in trouble before though. But while I¡¯m at it, why not one more assumption? These machines are incredible for repeatability to a fine tolerance in woodworking terms, but I¡¯m dubious if it is actually always getting it within .1 mm or .005¡±. -Shawn
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 10:29 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Thanks for sharing that calibration also works in inches. I obviously do not know exactly how the SW works, but with what you shared should one not caliper the material to 0.785¡±, if using inches? Seems like it would be more accurate because 20mm = 0.787¡± and 0.785¡± = 19.9mm. I know many here likely don¡¯t care about getting down to that level of accuracy for wood. ? Imran¡¯s advice worked perfect for my 941. But if you¡¯re in inches and don¡¯t want to switch to mm, you can do the same process and just mill a board to 20mm, checking with calipers, then hold the reset button, and it¡¯ll reset the number to .785. -Shawn
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 9:17 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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Hi Shawn, ? As for the accuracy of planer is concerned see attached. This is just my data and is not designed for communicating to others. Hopefully, you can make sense of it. Feel free to ask any questions. ? Imran ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Shawn Kammerer via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2021 1:44 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] AD 741 ? You¡¯re right, .785 is the same as 19.94mm, but .785 is the closest the indicator can get to 20mm, and since it¡¯s set up for resetting to 20mm (being made in Austria), I¡¯m thinking that when we reset, we are actually resetting to 20mm whether or not we¡¯re in metric, and it just calls is .785 if you¡¯re in imperial. My assumptions have gotten me in trouble before though. But while I¡¯m at it, why not one more assumption? These machines are incredible for repeatability to a fine tolerance in woodworking terms, but I¡¯m dubious if it is actually always getting it within .1 mm or .005¡±. -Shawn
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 10:29 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Thanks for sharing that calibration also works in inches. I obviously do not know exactly how the SW works, but with what you shared should one not caliper the material to 0.785¡±, if using inches? Seems like it would be more accurate because 20mm = 0.787¡± and 0.785¡± = 19.9mm. I know many here likely don¡¯t care about getting down to that level of accuracy for wood. ? Imran¡¯s advice worked perfect for my 941. But if you¡¯re in inches and don¡¯t want to switch to mm, you can do the same process and just mill a board to 20mm, checking with calipers, then hold the reset button, and it¡¯ll reset the number to .785. -Shawn
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 9:17 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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Re: ProLock spindle locking mech
Hi Michael,
I¡¯m guessing there will be some freight/shipping costs associated with this project. ?My UPS/FedEx delivery address is 2321 Fort Bragg Rd, Willits, CA. 95490. ?If you use USPS, it is 925 Fort Bragg Rd, Willits, CA. 95490. ?Sorry, USPS here is a bit problematic. Anyway, I hope that helps you with dealing with determining shipping/mailing costs.
Thanks for bearing the brunt of this bulk purchase project. ?
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On Jun 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
? Joe ¨C ? Procap responded and said that this is what they believe they had sent to you for the 1 ?¡± spindle.??? Can you take a look and let me know if it looks right??? I have only seen the version on the martin spindle and it was a little different so wanted to check. ? ? ? Folks ¨C for the pricing the order they also asked about how many we need.? Thus far I have the following folks ¡ let me know if there are more or Less. ??I will get pricing and then confirm with individuals: ? Brian G ¨C 1 Alex Bowlds ¨C 1 Joe Jenson ¨C 2 Michael Todrin ¨C 1 Eric Janson ¨C 1 ? Thanks ? ? ? ? ? Yes, Dave Davies and Michael Marisco, sorry about the "No items found," and here's bit more information. I spoke with Carl Knapp (Felder sales) back when that 2020 holiday VIP special was on and he came up with the part number then added it to my order. I believe the price was $265, minus the 10% VIP discount, plus shipping, so it would indeed be nice if they could come up with some more. I placed the order in mid-December and it took til March for the order to coalesce and ship in one box (ref. the outrageous shipping rates in another FOG thread!).
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Jay,
You will get better help if you post pics of what you have.
If your shaper setup is similar to my 2002 machine (see pic) then spindle removal requires following steps.
1. Pull black handle CCW to release belt tension. Following is not necessary but doing it for the first time it might be helpful to move the belt to the lowest position. You probably have 3 belt positions - 3 speeds. 2. Loosen the 2 orange kip levers. 3. Pull the black knob at bottom with right hand as you lift the spindle with left hand. Once the spindle is up like ~30mm the knob can be released.?Pure guess on 30mm but you will know it is high enough because once it is above the licking knob the spindle won¡¯t seat unless you pull the knob out again.?Now use the right hand to move the belt down as the spindle is lifted.
AFAIK, there is one belt for router spindle and another for shaper spindles (30mm & 1.25¡±).
Imran
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On Jun 9, 2021, at 1:42 PM, woodbeach via groups.io <woodbeach@...> wrote: ?Hi
Yes this helps:)
Thanks for the swift reply.
As I said I live in Norway and the market for used parts is obviously smaller over here. Though getting the spindle made locally vs. getting one shipped over the pond may end up the same price vise ;) I will check that out. I would need precise measurements though.?
Also I have searched but not been able to find any good resources/guides for doing the actual spindle change. I may just be my machine playing hard to get (and in some extent me not having done it before) but removing the highspeed spindle has not revealed it self as a simple task as of yet. One of the reasons for my wondering about the spindle types is that the pictures I've found of them shows the spindles with different belt placements. If it is as you say, the different spindles requires different belts, this may explain my confusion.
In regards to the mounting hardware for the crosscut fence, all I got with the machine was the fence it self with one flip stop attached. All other hardware is lost in time. If anyone happens to have a similar machine with the hardware, some closeup pictures of the different parts would be much appreciated.?
-jay
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You¡¯re right, .785 is the same as 19.94mm, but .785 is the closest the indicator can get to 20mm, and since it¡¯s set up for resetting to 20mm (being made in Austria), I¡¯m thinking that when we reset, we are actually resetting to 20mm whether or not we¡¯re in metric, and it just calls is .785 if you¡¯re in imperial. My assumptions have gotten me in trouble before though. But while I¡¯m at it, why not one more assumption? These machines are incredible for repeatability to a fine tolerance in woodworking terms, but I¡¯m dubious if it is actually always getting it within .1 mm or .005¡±.
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 10:29 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Shawn,
Thanks for sharing that calibration also works in inches. I obviously do not know exactly how the SW works, but with what you shared should one not caliper the material to 0.785¡±, if using inches? Seems like it would be more accurate because 20mm = 0.787¡± and 0.785¡± = 19.9mm. I know many here likely don¡¯t care about getting down to that level of accuracy for wood.
Imran
On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Shawn Kammerer via groups.io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
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Imran¡¯s advice worked perfect for my 941. But if you¡¯re in inches and don¡¯t want to switch to mm, you can do the same process and just mill a board to 20mm, checking with calipers, then hold the reset button, and it¡¯ll reset the number to .785. -Shawn On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 9:17 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Terence,
Please check this out.
Imran
On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote:
?Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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Hi
Yes this helps:)
Thanks for the swift reply.
As I said I live in Norway and the market for used parts is obviously smaller over here. Though getting the spindle made locally vs. getting one shipped over the pond may end up the same price vise ;) I will check that out. I would need precise measurements though.?
Also I have searched but not been able to find any good resources/guides for doing the actual spindle change. I may just be my machine playing hard to get (and in some extent me not having done it before) but removing the highspeed spindle has not revealed it self as a simple task as of yet. One of the reasons for my wondering about the spindle types is that the pictures I've found of them shows the spindles with different belt placements. If it is as you say, the different spindles requires different belts, this may explain my confusion.
In regards to the mounting hardware for the crosscut fence, all I got with the machine was the fence it self with one flip stop attached. All other hardware is lost in time. If anyone happens to have a similar machine with the hardware, some closeup pictures of the different parts would be much appreciated.?
-jay
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Shawn,
Thanks for sharing that calibration also works in inches. I obviously do not know exactly how the SW works, but with what you shared should one not caliper the material to 0.785¡±, if using inches? Seems like it would be more accurate because 20mm = 0.787¡± and 0.785¡± = 19.9mm. I know many here likely don¡¯t care about getting down to that level of accuracy for wood.
Imran
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On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Shawn Kammerer via groups.io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote: ?
Imran¡¯s advice worked perfect for my 941. But if you¡¯re in inches and don¡¯t want to switch to mm, you can do the same process and just mill a board to 20mm, checking with calipers, then hold the reset button, and it¡¯ll reset the number to .785. -Shawn On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 9:17 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Terence,
Please check this out.
Imran
On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote:
?Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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Imran¡¯s advice worked perfect for my 941. But if you¡¯re in inches and don¡¯t want to switch to mm, you can do the same process and just mill a board to 20mm, checking with calipers, then hold the reset button, and it¡¯ll reset the number to .785.
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 9:17 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: Terence,
Please check this out.
Imran
On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote:
?Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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Terence,
Please check this out.
Imran
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On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote: ?Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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Hi All: ?
I am using rented shop space at the moment. ?The shop has an AD 741 with Power Drive. ?The digital readout is inaccurate by about .020". ?Is there a way to reset the Power Drive to accuracy?
Thanks, Terry
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imran
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