This is the DRO on my 2017 KF700sp, same as the DRO on David Best¡¯s Kappa 400. IMO, DRO is not very useful without micro adjustment. I use micro adjustment all the times to get to the exact spot, it would be very difficult or time consuming to do that without it. James On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:56 AM vnh84@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
Liz Rogers directed my attention to the digital stops and cross cut fence
option for the Felder 700 series machines today. She noted that the setup
that is paired with the Kappa series is different from the setup that is
paired with the 700 series machine. I went back to check Felder's website,
catalog, and my quote. Sure enough, I am seeing confusing data.
Page 28 of the current PDF catalog (available online, labeled catalog
2016) pictures the stops that match the ones photographed by David Best.
Same one as pictured on Felder's page for the KF 700 SP and K 700 S.
Page 47 of same catalog shows a different picture of the digital stop for
the K 700 series machine. The black knobs of the digital stop of the Kappa
saw are not pictured.
I then checked my quote's picture of the digital stop. It is the same as
the one on page 47.
To add more to the confusion. Felder's webpage for the KF 700 SP pictures
the digital stop on page 28 (same as the one David has for his Kappa), NOT
the one on page 47 or in the PDF quote I received.
I have seen videos of the Kappa series digital stops in operation, both
from Felder and from David. I have not seen the one associated with the K
700 series saw. Or maybe I just missed the difference all together!
Looking at the picture on page 47 of the catalog and in my quote PDF, I
don't see how the digital stop can be micro adjusted similarly to the
Kappa's.
Has anyone recently took delivery of a K 700 series digital stops? Can
you post some pictures? Are the digital stops different from the Kappa's?
Does Felder really make two versions of this accessories for the two
respective saw classes?
Confused...
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Glen get the basics so you can get the machines setup. Keep it simple to start, most Felder blades work really well and will get you started and are typically easy to aquire. If you want some wacky Japanese blade that takes six months get and you have sell your firstborn to buy it can wait. Most saw/shaper tooling on your side of the border is available next day and can be acquired as needed IMHO
Felder 12" rip,?
Felder 12" crosscut. It will crosscut both hardwood and veneer stock. use scoring with veneer, I've also in a pinch ripped hardwood, cut melamine with scoring, no chipout
Felder Dado set? 200mm. I've used this unit and it performs great and can be used to setup shaper with 30mm spindle. It will cover 90% of all dado and grooving needs that are typically encountered.
Another blade is Leitz 12" Glueline, that again IMHO is a superior performer.
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:40 AM, GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Mark,
I am following your venture here. I am where your at.. make choices. I can tell you without the people here I would have made some bad decisions. I have learned more from this forum than anywhere else.
David Best and many others here know there stuff. some day I will too, but for now these guys helped me greatly in deciding what i wanted to buy and needed. I am at the point of you maybe, time to buy the stuff for the machines. Blades, Cutterheads, ect. My machines are here on pallets and I need to figure out some tooling before commissioning. This will be an interest part of the project.
Glen ?
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David's explanation is the best I have ever seen. I think what you really have to ask your self is what type of work are you going to do with it and will it help that process? Projects in my shop seem to always be one offs where nothing ever fits any standard not have any repetition. This type accessory I think is very nice but for my work it would be a complete waste of $$. YMMV. Good luck making your final choices. I am on a quest to figure what blades to buy...
Mark
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Re: Aigner shaper accessories on Felder Combos
Dave Davies - I¡¯m still waiting for that photo you promised of the Thickness Stop with ¡°analog measurement unit¡±. ? Did you forsake me?
David Best
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David, ?? I'll take a picture of my thickness stop tonight for you.? I've yet to use it and didn't notice if it had an "analog" measurement system.? At most it would have been etchings in the aluminum but I don't recall even that.
?? I wish I could spend more time in the shop but our embroidery business has exploded lately.
?? Have you progressed on deciding if you're going to market the Fritz and Franz? Dave
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This is indeed confusing and news to me if they¡¯ve changed the digital stop configuration when applied to the 700-series machines. ? Felder is always changing things without telling anyone outside the employee group, so I wouldn¡¯t discount what Liz says or the photos in the catalog, but I would verify the information. ? I will offer the comments that the photo of the 700-series digital stop (page 47) is identical to the stop on my Kappa except it has no micro adjust and the locking element (kip lever in the photo) is different from the knob on top of my digital stops. ? This could be a cost saving approach for digital stops on the 700-series - to eliminate the micro-adjust. ? The fence extrusion itself in the reference photo looks to be the same as the one on the Kappa, but there isn¡¯t enough shown to know for certain. ?To be sure, the micro-adjust adds expense, and while I use it occasionally, I don¡¯t find it a ¡°must have¡± thing - easy enough to bump the stop into the desired position IMO. ?
If the photo represents ¡°truth¡± I¡¯m not sure it matters much except that the micro-adjust is missing. ? I seriously doubt the fence extrusion is different, and the width of the stops with the Kipp lever sticking out the left side is probably similar to the stops with micro-adjust on that side.
Felder sends a power point presentation to their field sale reps regularly updating them on new machines and the details of equipment changes. ? I have repeatedly asked for this information to be made available to the cognoscenti within the user community, but the response is has been identical to my charge to John Renzetti to opine on the topic of moving FOG to a new platform - meaning silence. ? You might ask Liz to send you a copy of the field update presentation that discusses the digital fence differences - I¡¯ve asked for this in the past and when a sales situation demands it, they have complied with copies of the sales update presentations. ? ?I have found that saying something like ¡°this sale hinges on XYZ, and I won¡¯t be making a decision until I receive documentation about that point¡± brings response - not always completely forthcoming, but quicker than just asking for clarification. ??
As a corollary to this factual fog bank, I recently I ordered a new Lexus SUV custom build (thanks to Lucky again for raising the bar), and I had to put stop payment on the deposit check to get an answer to ¡°what exactly is included in the ¡°towing package¡± option that costs $150?¡± ? Before I took that action, I kept getting what I felt were uninformed answers designed to quell objections rather than answer the specifics. ? The sales people kept giving me their personal speculation about what it is, rather than digging into the facts at corporate. ?
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Liz Rogers directed my attention to the digital stops and cross cut fence option for the Felder 700 series machines today.? She noted that the setup that is paired with the Kappa series is different from the setup that is paired with the 700 series machine.? I went back to check Felder's website, catalog, and my quote.? Sure enough, I am seeing confusing data.
Page 28 of the current PDF catalog (available online, labeled catalog 2016) pictures the stops that match the ones photographed by David Best.? Same one as pictured on Felder's page for the KF 700 SP and K 700 S.
Page 47 of same catalog shows a different picture of the digital stop for the K 700 series machine.? The black knobs of the digital stop of the Kappa saw are not pictured.??
I then checked my quote's picture of the digital stop.? It is the same as the one on page 47.
To add more to the confusion.? Felder's webpage for the KF 700 SP pictures the digital stop on page 28 (same as the one David has for his Kappa), NOT the one on page 47 or in the PDF quote I received.? ?
I have seen videos of the Kappa series digital stops in operation, both from Felder and from David.? I have not seen the one associated with the K 700 series saw.? Or maybe I just missed the difference all together!??
Looking at the picture on page 47 of the catalog and in my quote PDF, I don't see how the digital stop can be micro adjusted similarly to the Kappa's.??
Has anyone recently took delivery of a K 700 series digital stops?? Can you post some pictures?? Are the digital stops different from the Kappa's?? Does Felder really make two versions of this accessories for the two respective saw classes???
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Mark,
I am following your venture here. I am where your at.. make choices. I can tell you without the people here I would have made some bad decisions. I have learned more from this forum than anywhere else.
David Best and many others here know there stuff. some day I will too, but for now these guys helped me greatly in deciding what i wanted to buy and needed. I am at the point of you maybe, time to buy the stuff for the machines. Blades, Cutterheads, ect. My machines are here on pallets and I need to figure out some tooling before commissioning. This will be an interest part of the project.
Glen ?
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Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 6:23 pm
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David's explanation is the best I have ever seen. I think what you really have to ask your self is what type of work are you going to do with it and will it help that process? Projects in my shop seem to always be one offs where nothing ever fits any standard not have any repetition. This type accessory I think is very nice but for my work it would be a complete waste of $$. YMMV. Good luck making your final choices. I am on a quest to figure what blades to buy...
Mark
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Liz Rogers directed my attention to the digital stops and cross cut fence option for the Felder 700 series machines today.? She noted that the setup that is paired with the Kappa series is different from the setup that is paired with the 700 series machine.? I went back to check Felder's website, catalog, and my quote.? Sure enough, I am seeing confusing data.
Page 28 of the current PDF catalog (available online, labeled catalog 2016) pictures the stops that match the ones photographed by David Best.? Same one as pictured on Felder's page for the KF 700 SP and K 700 S.
Page 47 of same catalog shows a different picture of the digital stop for the K 700 series machine.? The black knobs of the digital stop of the Kappa saw are not pictured.??
I then checked my quote's picture of the digital stop.? It is the same as the one on page 47.
To add more to the confusion.? Felder's webpage for the KF 700 SP pictures the digital stop on page 28 (same as the one David has for his Kappa), NOT the one on page 47 or in the PDF quote I received.? ?
I have seen videos of the Kappa series digital stops in operation, both from Felder and from David.? I have not seen the one associated with the K 700 series saw.? Or maybe I just missed the difference all together!??
Looking at the picture on page 47 of the catalog and in my quote PDF, I don't see how the digital stop can be micro adjusted similarly to the Kappa's.??
Has anyone recently took delivery of a K 700 series digital stops?? Can you post some pictures?? Are the digital stops different from the Kappa's?? Does Felder really make two versions of this accessories for the two respective saw classes???
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It is a done deal. I am not to worried about it being I have no shaper tooling of any kind I will just standardize on that size. Forever walking the wrong side of the tracks.
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This is a good idea. ? Have them swap out the spindle if you can.
David Best
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When you order the machine, you need to specify a spindle. But they should be able to take the spindle in the machine and swap it for a 30mm if that is what you really want. They have extra spindles in inventory for most machines or could order one fairly quickly. Doesn't hurt to ask.?
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That is most likely the same machine, a KF700SP with 9¡¯ slider, manual controls with dial indicators. 49¡± rip. I would have ordered the smaller rip but the deal was to good to pass on. They were using the machine for demos at the open house, It has only been run those two days.
I am not quiet sure about educating Liz. I did share a tidbit about the A3-31 and buying and second wider end rail for the top table where the fence mounts. My KF will have a 1 1/4 spindle being that i how they standard spec the unit. If I had ordered I would have gotten the 30mm as suggested here, I will share that tidbit with Liz as well.
Off to try to figure out shipping and delivery.
Mark
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That video illustrates the use of the precision miter guide well, but keep in mind, the crosscut fence being used on this K700 saw is the non-digital (i.e. Analog) fence, and it¡¯s easier to position for angled cuts than the much heavier and completely different clamping system on the digital crosscut fence. ? I think the precision miter guide can function will (if your application would benefit from it) with the conventional non-digital crosscut fence. ??
If you move up to the digital crosscut fence, it¡¯s best paired to the X-roll outrigger table on the Kappa series, and not so easy to employ with the precision miter guide. ? The X-roll outrigger table is was precisely introduced to aid in the miter positioning of the heavier digital crosscut fence, as well as to provide infinitely adjustable angle setting with precise DRO readout. ? You can see how the X-roll outrigger table (terrible name - should have been ¡°Mitering Angle Assistant¡± or such) in this video at precisely 1:54 tp 1:58, then the video confusingly switches to the precision miter guide unit: ? You can also see the X-Roll outrigger table in this video (on a Kappa 550 with motorized crosscut stop positioning fence which has to be 80 pounds) between 5:00 and 6:00
David Best
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This is a very good Felder video demonstrating the technique using the slider, you can find the use of miter index at around 7 minute.
I have the miter index with length compensation. It is accurate, but not very easy to use as David Best explained. If you watch Steve Rowe¡¯s YouTube video about his Martin outrigger table, it is the best in the world, of course pricy.
James
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Anyone knows of a video(s) where one can observe/watch the "Precision mitre guide with length compensation - Option 173" at work?? I can picture the procedure after reading David's description, but a video would be helpful also.??
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David's explanation is the best I have ever seen. I think what you really have to ask your self is what type of work are you going to do with it and will it help that process? Projects in my shop seem to always be one offs where nothing ever fits any standard not have any repetition. This type accessory I think is very nice but for my work it would be a complete waste of $$. YMMV. Good luck making your final choices. I am on a quest to figure what blades to buy...
Mark
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This is a very good Felder video demonstrating the technique using the slider, you can find the use of miter index at around 7 minute.
I have the miter index with length compensation. It is accurate, but not very easy to use as David Best explained. If you watch Steve Rowe¡¯s YouTube video about his Martin outrigger table, it is the best in the world, of course pricy.
James
James
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Anyone knows of a video(s) where one can observe/watch the "Precision mitre guide with length compensation - Option 173" at work?? I can picture the procedure after reading David's description, but a video would be helpful also.??
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Anyone knows of a video(s) where one can observe/watch the "Precision mitre guide with length compensation - Option 173" at work?? I can picture the procedure after reading David's description, but a video would be helpful also.??
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Re: Comatic DC40 on a Felder KF700SP
My guess is that the pictures are treated as attachments and as such, they are not permitted according to the statement on the group's homepage.? "Attachments are not permitted."? Consequently, they are replaced in the body of the msg by placeholder tags [image#.jpeg].?
I have looked at the "Photos" section of the group.? Some of the photos, without caption (or description), are not very useful.? For someone who comes after the pertinent discussion when the photos were uploaded, I have no clue what I would be looking at sometimes.??
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Re: M18 FUEL? SURGE? 1/4" Hex Hydraulic Driver
Hey Mac I have a Milwaukee 1/2¡± drill driver for about two years good wrist?snapping torque ! It has served me well I¡¯ve got the extension on the slider mounted ?I will have to send you pictures off line looks great thanks again
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Greetings? I did pick up the Milwaukee fuel surge a few weeks ago and it is rad ,,,lots of snuff if needed it has four settings three for different torque settings and one for drilling. I have used on low setting for electrical panel work and in 3 have driven a ?bunch of 3" to ?5" screws and some bolts and the hydraulic drive is very easy on my arm the noise and hammering vibration.? My 25 mo old grand son loves it ! They are 130.00 bucks ?and I got a 5 amp battery for 100.00.? The drill in ?front is my old one and I know I ?have driven 20,000 to 30,000 2 to 4" screws in the last 6 years so she is tired but I still use . They are pretty much all you see on job sights around here.?
Mac,, Designing and building for 47 years
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Go to Home Depot and get a Rigid driver...warranted for life.?? Dave
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Re: Comatic DC40 on a Felder KF700SP
It is not just you. I cannot see the pictures either.
I can see the pictures Joe and Mac sent in their email. I believe they send email with picture using iPhone.
James
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i can never see pictures for some reason all i see is jpeg 1 etc.
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Re: Comatic DC40 on a Felder KF700SP
i can never see pictures for some reason all i see is jpeg 1 etc.
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Re: M18 FUEL? SURGE? 1/4" Hex Hydraulic Driver
Greetings? I did pick up the Milwaukee fuel surge a few weeks ago and it is rad ,,,lots of snuff if needed it has four settings three for different torque settings and one for drilling. I have used on low setting for electrical panel work and in 3 have driven a ?bunch of 3" to ?5" screws and some bolts and the hydraulic drive is very easy on my arm the noise and hammering vibration.? My 25 mo old grand son loves it ! They are 130.00 bucks ?and I got a 5 amp battery for 100.00.? The drill in ?front is my old one and I know I ?have driven 20,000 to 30,000 2 to 4" screws in the last 6 years so she is tired but I still use . They are pretty much all you see on job sights around here.?
Mac,, Designing and building for 47 years
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Thanks David for the explanation.? I opted for Option 81, the over head saw guard, which makes Option 91 incompatible/not applicable.? :)
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30mm spindle is one of Felder best bargains for the 700 series. When I ordered my F700Z in 2011 I ordered with a 1 1/4" mainly because of it being the NA standard and it was the more costly of the 2 spindles. I later bought the 30mm for around $300.00 CDN to take advantage of the cheap tooling offers that Felder does twice a year. I later got the router spindle for around 700.00 CDN when it went on sale. You have to be smart about purchases and take advantage when the deals on. I said this before, never buy a Felder unless there's a deal, 20% is 20% and better in your pocket.
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When you order the machine, you need to specify a spindle. But they should be able to take the spindle in the machine and swap it for a 30mm if that is what you really want. They have extra spindles in inventory for most machines or could order one fairly quickly. Doesn't hurt to ask.?
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That is most likely the same machine, a KF700SP with 9¡¯ slider, manual controls with dial indicators. 49¡± rip. I would have ordered the smaller rip but the deal was to good to pass on. They were using the machine for demos at the open house, It has only been run those two days.
I am not quiet sure about educating Liz. I did share a tidbit about the A3-31 and buying and second wider end rail for the top table where the fence mounts. My KF will have a 1 1/4 spindle being that i how they standard spec the unit. If I had ordered I would have gotten the 30mm as suggested here, I will share that tidbit with Liz as well.
Off to try to figure out shipping and delivery.
Mark
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When you order the machine, you need to specify a spindle. But they should be able to take the spindle in the machine and swap it for a 30mm if that is what you really want. They have extra spindles in inventory for most machines or could order one fairly quickly. Doesn't hurt to ask.?
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That is most likely the same machine, a KF700SP with 9¡¯ slider, manual controls with dial indicators. 49¡± rip. I would have ordered the smaller rip but the deal was to good to pass on. They were using the machine for demos at the open house, It has only been run those two days.
I am not quiet sure about educating Liz. I did share a tidbit about the A3-31 and buying and second wider end rail for the top table where the fence mounts. My KF will have a 1 1/4 spindle being that i how they standard spec the unit. If I had ordered I would have gotten the 30mm as suggested here, I will share that tidbit with Liz as well.
Off to try to figure out shipping and delivery.
Mark
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David P. Best
Mark Foster