On Mar 26, 2025, at 6:52?PM, JDhm via groups.io <Jdanohm@...> wrote:

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Thank you this is helpful- FS41ES it is then. Now the questions is the Tersa head vs the Xylent. I was set on the Tersa until I realized I'll need to change blades with different types of wood? from my research it looks like most people end up with carbide blades on the tersa- than mind as well get the Xylent to begin with no?

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I just picked up a new drill press myself. I have a very small shop, so I wanted a drill press without the motor hanging off the back, which limited me to the Teknatool Voyager/Viking, the new Laguna, and Powermatic now offers a 15" and 20" drill press in the same category.?

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I don't much care for the screens and electronics, so I was inclined against the Voyager, Viking, and the Laguna, leaving me to choose between the Powermatics. Powermatic is running a $500-off promotion on the 20" machine, so I opted to bump up to the larger machine( ).

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Apparently Jet will be releasing a drill press with a screen to compete with the Voyager/Viking/Laguna, but again I don't want a screen so I wasn't inclined to wait for its release. ?

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The Powermatic PM2820 and PM2815 machines utilize a brushed DC motor that runs through a geared two speed transmission, with speed controlled via the High/Low gear selector and a simple knob on the front ?of the machine.?

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So far I've been quite happy with it. I realize there are certainly "better" machines out there, I just wanted something relatively simple, relatively compact, with minimal electronics.?

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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

On Mar 26, 2025, at 5:34?AM, imran via groups.io <imranwoodshop@...> wrote:

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Thanks David for clarifying the outrigger options. I know one member who bought a used KF700 with 1100 outrigger and it did not have the 90 deg stops as shown in the pic below but he was able to add them by buying parts from Felder.

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Based on your explanation even 1100 should offer good registrations.

Does the beefier xcut fence extrusion come with 1300 outrigger?

Imran Malik

IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 26, 2025, at 1:17?AM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:

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The KF500 utilizes the X-Roll sliding table, so the bolt-on items (outrigger tables, crosscut fences, butt-bar, edging shoe, clamps, etc) that apply to the KF700 also apply to the KF500.

According to current published specs, the following applies wrt the 500-series:

The longest sliding table available for the KF500 is 2050mm (81”)- if you need a longer slider, the KF700 is the right choice.?

The KF500 standard machine does not come with an outrigger table and the crosscut fence supplied is the 1300mm version, but it attaches to the sliding table using the same components as the 1100mm short crosscut fence and thus as the same 90° registration challenges. ?The standard machine can be upgraded with the same outrigger tables and fences discussed below

The KF500 Professional comes standard with the 1100 outrigger table and the 1300mm crosscut fence as above, but the fence mounts to the 1100 outrigger table which does have a reliable 90° end-stop as shown below:

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Either the standard or Professional KF500 can be configured with the 1300 outrigger table as an option provided the slider is at least 1300mm long. ?The 1300 outrigger table gives you the ability to add miter indexing, has a roller at the end for stock handling assistance, and has a more refined locking and 90° registration stop, but is heavier. ?The 1500 outrigger table is not available as an option on the KF500 since the outrigger support arm is too short to support the extra 200mm length of the 1500 outrigger table.

There is an option to extend the 1300mm crosscut fence with a telescoping extension, or you can configure the machine with the 2600mm crosscut fence which will adapt correctly to either the 1100 or 1300 outrigger. ?With the 1300 fence on the 1100 outrigger table, you can still crosscut to the center of a 4x8 panel even if the machine is limited to the 800mm rip fence size - saving you a lot of space in the shop. So, if you equip the machine with an outrigger table, there should be no need to buy the wider 1250mm chassis version since you can move your indexed cutting to the left of the blade.

The outrigger mobility cart is intended for use with the 1300 and 1500 outrigger tables, and may or may not adapt to the 1100 outrigger table - you’d have to ask Felder at least twice to get an accurate confirmation on this. ?Assuming the outrigger mobility cart does not work with the 1100 outrigger table, then you would need to man-handle the outrigger table on/off the machine as a unit, most likely removing the crosscut fence first and storing that separately. ?With the 1300 outrigger table and the mobility cart, you can leave the crosscut fence attached to the outrigger and wheel the two away together as a unit.

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On Mar 25, 2025, at 9:14?PM, Aaron Inami via groups.io <ainami@...> wrote:

Hi Stan,

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As a reference, here is a picture of what my K700S unit looks like in my garage (which is exactly 20 x 20).? I have the 1500 outrigger and the full size 1250mm rip area.? The machine is 19" away from the wall to allow for other machinery and still gives me 4 feet of space on the right side of the blade for plywood sheets and other material (it's really important that you plan out how much space you will have to work with while other machinery and stuff sitting next to it).? You can see the center-line groove in the garage (that's the 10 foot mark).

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Theoretically, I could move the saw about 5" closer to the wall and put on the 1300 outrigger (and still have 4 feet on the right side of the blade).?? At that point, the edge of the outrigger would be EXACTLY at the center-line groove.? You could get a car into the garage at that point, but it's VERY close.? I could have chosen the smaller 800mm rip area and saved another 19", but that only leaves you 2-1/2 feet on the right side of the blade.? If you can live with 2-1/2 feet on the right, this might be the configuration for you.?? Keep in mind that you still need space on the right side even if you don't rip.? For example, cutting down long boards (such as a 1" x 3" that is 8 feet long).? If your required cut size is 45", you are completely out of luck on the smaller 800mm rip area (which is only 31-1/2").

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You mentioned that you could remove the outrigger when you're not using it, but this is something that you DO NOT want to do all the time.? It's extremely heavy and a pain in the @$$ to get on and off.? I guess you could get the mobility cart, but it is a little time consuming (then you have to store the mobility cart somewhere).? However, the crosscut fence is easy to remove and store whenever you want.? I have the Lamb Toolworks cross-cut DRO on my unit.?? Like Netanel mentioned, if you get the Felder cross-cut DRO, you are also getting the Format4 cross-cut fence, which is beefier and heavier and longer (extends out to 126" or 10 feet).

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Here's what a 9 foot (2800mm) sliding table looks like in a 20x20 garage with 18" deep shelf storage on the back wall.? There's just enough space for me to squeeze around the end of the table when it's pulled all the way back.? In my configuration, I can actually make 5 foot long cuts without having to open the garage door (which can be beneficial on hot summer days).? I just open the garage if I need to make a longer cut.? A 10 foot slider would have just been a bit too much.

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On the "pulled back" photo above, I circled in yellow the stop-point for the cross-cut fence.? This is standard on the 1500 (and should be on the 1300, because I know both of these also have the roller on the edge for heavy material).?? This is what allows you to quickly put the cross-cut fence back "square to the blade" when you move it for an angle cut or take it off the table.

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I have no idea if the 1100 outrigger supports this kind of thing.?? I do know the 1100 does NOT have the roller on the edge for easier loading of material.? I also cannot find any pictures of the 1100 outrigger, lol.

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I have definitely read many times on this forum that the short 1100 crosscut fence has problems with keeping square to the blade.?? This means that you'll have to manually re-align/calibrate the fence to be 90 perfectly square EVERY TIME you remove it or shift it around.??

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I know that any fence on the K700 series works fine (except for the 1100).? The lower K500 series has a 1300mm fence available and also the 1100 outrigger. ? Does anyone know if the 1300 fence also has squaring problems? ? Or is it just the 1100 fence??

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On Mar 26, 2025, at 10:02?AM, imran via groups.io <imranwoodshop@...> wrote:

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Hi David,

This is an older post from you and it says something important related to 1100 vs 1300 outrigger in conjunction with 2500 slider. May be worth confirming if this is still true.

“A 2500mm sliding table is available on both the smaller and larger (“S”) chassis models. ?When the smaller chassis K700 is ordered with a 2500mm sliding table, the standard outrigger the 1100mm version, and it is my understanding that this combination will restrict table travel such that it can NOT cut a full 96” length when the outrigger is installed. ?To achieve a 96” travel, the 1300mm outrigger table must be specified.”

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On Mar 26, 2025, at 12:29?PM, ibsenafshar via groups.io <brian@...> wrote:

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“So my 2 cents is, go with the short stroke slider if you are fine using a track saw to break a sheet down before you make cuts on the KF. You can also make really good straight line rips with a track saw and a long track.”

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Caveat: I may be the least experienced responder to your post so please take that into account.?

I also went from a Unisaw to a slider, in my case a Hammer C3-31 combo with a 1270 mm slider in a 12’ x 22’ garage bay size shop without a garage door opening. On the long side wall is a 6’ opening to a garage bay that normally has a vehicle parked in it and is organized to quickly convert to an assembly/track cutting/finishing workspace. I’ve built a couple long dining tables and a couple beds but avoid working with big sheets and when I do often ask the yard to rough slice them into more manageable sizes.

Going from a Delta to a Felder Hammer was heaven, a remarkable improvement, and may be enough of a step up to completely satisfy you. The lack of Start/Stop buttons on the left face is really annoying but it is easy daisy-chain low-voltage small gauge wiring to add a stop and a start button, the most difficult part of that trivial project is drilling the holes in the chassis. The combo machine was required for me to fit everything into my 12’ wide shop. There ways of organizing a combo machine and track saws to make moving or flipping from one to another faster and easier and adding additional stop/start buttons are is just one of several ways to speed up and smooth out operating these machines. ?It boils down, I think, to how often you will be cutting long rips and how much you mind using a track saw.

With a traditional saw you mostly have ripping and crosscutting in which every cut is guided by an opposing or adjacent plane, making furniture and similar projects on a slider is much more powerful as you can position and clamp the workpiece down to the slider in any orientation and quickly create components with non-parallel planes. That freedom is the value of the slider in addition to supporting and guiding sheet goods.

On Mar 26, 2025, at 8:41?AM, Aaron Inami via groups.io <ainami@...> wrote:

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Thanks, David, for all the details on the different combinations of outrigger/fence and how they work.?? Follow up on your statement here:

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"With the 1300 fence on the 1100 outrigger table, you can still crosscut to the center of a 4x8 panel even if the machine is limited to the 800mm rip fence size - saving you a lot of space in the shop. So, if you equip the machine with an outrigger table, there should be no need to buy the wider 1250mm chassis version since you can move your indexed cutting to the left of the blade."

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This is absolutely true and this scenario did go through my mind while I was writing up my post.? My goal was to show how much room a machine would take up in one half of a 2-car garage (which is 10 feet wide)..?? Stan can absolutely crosscut the center of a 4x8 sheet of plywood on a K500 with the smaller 800mm rip area, but he will still need clearance around the machine for that 4 feet of plywood on the right side.? This means the machine will still have to be placed the same amount of distance away from the wall or any other machinery he has (bandsaw, miter saw, etc.).? On a K700 machine, this is also possible.? Though, if he purchases the overhead blade guard, then he will only get about 19-20" into the cut before the plywood runs into the blade guard support arm.

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Another thing I was thinking about last night is the use of a DRO and shorter crosscut fences.? A new user to sliding table saws can definitely be unaware that the DRO is only good out to the initial cross-cut fence length.? The DRO would not be usable on any part of a fence extension.?? On my fence, the DRO only works out to 64" (shown below), even though the fence extension allows me to do a cut up to 103".? The fence extension is set using a sight-gauge.

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So, a DRO on the 1300mm fence would only be usable up to about 50" (give or take, depending on how the DRO is mounted/created), even though you can get a fence extension that allows up to 2050mm.

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