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Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

I hate to say some of you might be overthinking the F&F jig?. Mine is basic, made with Baltic Birch ply and some rockler track I had laying around. Simple stops made from aluminum angle. I like David like sighting down an edge rather than a cursor. Has a replaceable hardwood edge for blade registration. A couple hours to make tops. Just make it and get to work.

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765

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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


Re: k700s advice needed

 

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Mark, would your machine accept those ?” diameter feet without drilling out the mounting holes? ? Every Felder I’ve seen has 11mm holes. ?

David Best - Sent from my iPad

On Feb 9, 2022, at 4:37 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

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If you keep having issue these are the ones I originally recommended, much larger foot print, the pad won’t come off and I noticed a reduction in vibration/resonance?








Regards, Mark

On Feb 9, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

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Just a quick update here. I got the feet as recommended. They are a good choice, with one issue...

I had problems with the pads slipping off. I ripped them off and did a bit of lathe work with the ever useful hockey?pucks.

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On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:04 PM PK <pk@...> wrote:
Bob,

David Best has posted this before...? He has a page on it.



He did also add a part number from McMaster Carr for a longer stud for sloped garages.? Part # 6111K372.

PK
PKwoodworking


Re: k700s advice needed

 

BTW, the ones you list here with the 1/2 stud wouldn't have fit in my saw, but next time I'd just drill the foot out and use these. Best time to have done that would have been when the saw was up in the air with the crane from moving it in... live and learn!


On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:37 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
If you keep having issue these are the ones I originally recommended, much larger foot print, the pad won’t come off and I noticed a reduction in vibration/resonance?








Regards, Mark

On Feb 9, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

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Just a quick update here. I got the feet as recommended. They are a good choice, with one issue...

I had problems with the pads slipping off. I ripped them off and did a bit of lathe work with the ever useful hockey?pucks.

20220205_092515.jpg20220130_212820.jpg20220205_093449.jpg

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:04 PM PK <pk@...> wrote:
Bob,

David Best has posted this before...? He has a page on it.



He did also add a part number from McMaster Carr for a longer stud for sloped garages.? Part # 6111K372.

PK
PKwoodworking


Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

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Just watched this video and in it he show some pics of his new F&G jig.?

Steve?

On Feb 9, 2022, at 9:05 AM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?Mark, might you show a picture of your zero clearance end piece?

I am probably overthinking the F & F jig, but my general philosophy is that anything worth doing is worth overdoing ?, and the jig is just as rewarding a project as anything else I make.

I may try to track down a piece of 80/20 to play with it a bit. The big issue is finding a place for the scale.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022


Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

Mark, might you show a picture of your zero clearance end piece?

I am probably overthinking the F & F jig, but my general philosophy is that anything worth doing is worth overdoing ?, and the jig is just as rewarding a project as anything else I make.

I may try to track down a piece of 80/20 to play with it a bit. The big issue is finding a place for the scale.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022


Re: k700s advice needed

 

I have used those on other machines and I liked them more as well. Will be my goto feet in the future.?


On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:37 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
If you keep having issue these are the ones I originally recommended, much larger foot print, the pad won’t come off and I noticed a reduction in vibration/resonance?








Regards, Mark

On Feb 9, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

?
Just a quick update here. I got the feet as recommended. They are a good choice, with one issue...

I had problems with the pads slipping off. I ripped them off and did a bit of lathe work with the ever useful hockey?pucks.

20220205_092515.jpg20220130_212820.jpg20220205_093449.jpg

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:04 PM PK <pk@...> wrote:
Bob,

David Best has posted this before...? He has a page on it.



He did also add a part number from McMaster Carr for a longer stud for sloped garages.? Part # 6111K372.

PK
PKwoodworking


Re: Comatic DC-40 questions

 

I know the smart stand is hot, but I've got 2 of the DC-40s with the original "stupid" stands, and couldn't be happier.?
As for accessories, I took advantage of the half price sale on 8 polyurethane replacement wheels that Shopgear was offering recently with purchase of a DC-40. They definitely have a better grip than originals. These two are setup on shapers, and so far, not finding a need for the split wheels.?

jeff


Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

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Are your scales attached to these ZC fences?

Thx?

On Feb 9, 2022, at 12:33 AM, Mark Foster <mfsta2lt@...> wrote:

?I find my cut to fit zero clearance end piece an indispensable part of my F and F jig. My stops however are very crude however, just some track and homemade blocks with a bolt and thumb screw.?

Mark Foster

On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:27 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

The few Veritas items I have are really well made, and those stops look solid.

The 80/20 Series 10 extrusions have a center hole that can be tapped for a 1/4” bolt, if I understand correctly. That would allow a replaceable zero-clearance end piece. That is not as important as having a stop that fits correctly, though.

I am giving serious consideration to the Veritas (Lee Valley) stops with their tape track and tapes.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022


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Mark Foster


Re: Planer startup problems CF731

 

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Chris,

My guess is that you need to replace the caps. The problem will show first on the heaviest load to start and that is the planner head. Yes, caps are common to all motors.

Imran

On Feb 9, 2022, at 8:10 AM, Chris Twigger via groups.io <christwigger@...> wrote:

?Can anyone assist?

I have a 2004 Felder CF731 Combination machine, UK single phase (240v 50 hz) and recently i have had problems getting the planer up to speed before the machine trips out. Once it gets up to speed on the first occasion it normally OK after that.? All other operations work ok i.e. Spindle Moulder and saw blade.
There does not appear to be any capacitors on this motor however upon opening up the wiring box there are two capacitors within the box?
Q1, Are these two capacitors used for each motor when each is selected on the control switch.
Q2 , what other issues/problems could cause this slow starting?


Any assistance would be greatly appreciated?

Chris (from the UK)?


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Planer startup problems CF731

 

Can anyone assist?

I have a 2004 Felder CF731 Combination machine, UK single phase (240v 50 hz) and recently i have had problems getting the planer up to speed before the machine trips out. Once it gets up to speed on the first occasion it normally OK after that.? All other operations work ok i.e. Spindle Moulder and saw blade.
There does not appear to be any capacitors on this motor however upon opening up the wiring box there are two capacitors within the box?
Q1, Are these two capacitors used for each motor when each is selected on the control switch.
Q2 , what other issues/problems could cause this slow starting?


Any assistance would be greatly appreciated?

Chris (from the UK)?


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Re: Automatic blast gate issue #k700s

 

GrnGate has apparently ceased operations, although their website is still online for support reasons.? Looking at their manual I see the following:

NOTE: Some power tools including the SawStop table saw and certain European tools have an electronics control system. In these cases the sensor must be attached AFTER the control box, ideally directly on the cable going to the motor. Otherwise it is possible to incur erratic sensing and collector operation due to a constant current being drawn by the control system.
So perhaps you need to change where that sensor is placed on your machine.


Re: k700s advice needed

 

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If you keep having issue these are the ones I originally recommended, much larger foot print, the pad won’t come off and I noticed a reduction in vibration/resonance?








Regards, Mark

On Feb 9, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

?
Just a quick update here. I got the feet as recommended. They are a good choice, with one issue...

I had problems with the pads slipping off. I ripped them off and did a bit of lathe work with the ever useful hockey?pucks.

20220205_092515.jpg20220130_212820.jpg20220205_093449.jpg

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:04 PM PK <pk@...> wrote:
Bob,

David Best has posted this before...? He has a page on it.



He did also add a part number from McMaster Carr for a longer stud for sloped garages.? Part # 6111K372.

PK
PKwoodworking


Re: Automatic blast gate issue #k700s

 
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Hi Wade,
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I am not familiar with GrnGate but I would be very surprised if they don’t have the adjustment for current. Read their guide and most likely you have an adjustment so the gates only operate when you have the large current - I have a slow internet connection and I saw the pics after replying. I cannot see the other side of the pickup. So not sure if it has an adjustment screw. It is possible that such adjustment is done at the control board as opposed to at pickup coil.
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The other possible option that might work would be to move the pickup coil to the phase (assuming 3 phase) that only goes to the main motors. This is usually the case with Felder that they use two phases for internal voltages and the 3rd for motor only. I see your pictures and this option would require you to either move the pickup coil to inside the machine (requires Felder permission) or would require the cable to go thru an appropriate enclosure where you can only place only 1 wire in the coil. Definitely, this approach needs to be confirmed with the manufacturer or a user here due to logistics involved.
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Imran

On Feb 9, 2022, at 1:13 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

Hey group,

I have a brand new K700S with power drive. ?I currently use GrnGate automated blast gates for all of my dust control. ?The gates open and close based on which machines electrical current is drawing power. ?It’s always been a very dependable system and worked great on my previous American cabinet saw (Powermatic). ?But now with the new slider having power drive built into it, anytime I raise or tilt the blade, the cable sensor must be picking up the current draw and proceeds to open the blast gate and turn on my dust collector for short moments of time. ?Would anybody have a solution fix for this? ?I may be out of luck I know, but just wanted to check with the group and see if anybody has experienced this or has heard of maybe a fix. ?I thought I had read somewhere that my slider could be integrated with a dust collector. ?But can’t remember if I read that correctly or even where I saw that. ? Pictures attached of my set up.

Thx,

Wade


Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

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I find my cut to fit zero clearance end piece an indispensable part of my F and F jig. My stops however are very crude however, just some track and homemade blocks with a bolt and thumb screw.?

Mark Foster

On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:27 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

The few Veritas items I have are really well made, and those stops look solid.

The 80/20 Series 10 extrusions have a center hole that can be tapped for a 1/4” bolt, if I understand correctly. That would allow a replaceable zero-clearance end piece. That is not as important as having a stop that fits correctly, though.

I am giving serious consideration to the Veritas (Lee Valley) stops with their tape track and tapes.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022


--
Mark Foster


Re: k700s advice needed

 

Just a quick update here. I got the feet as recommended. They are a good choice, with one issue...

I had problems with the pads slipping off. I ripped them off and did a bit of lathe work with the ever useful hockey?pucks.

20220205_092515.jpg20220130_212820.jpg20220205_093449.jpg

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:04 PM PK <pk@...> wrote:
Bob,

David Best has posted this before...? He has a page on it.



He did also add a part number from McMaster Carr for a longer stud for sloped garages.? Part # 6111K372.

PK
PKwoodworking


Automatic blast gate issue #k700s

 

Hey group,

I have a brand new K700S with power drive. ?I currently use GrnGate automated blast gates for all of my dust control. ?The gates open and close based on which machines electrical current is drawing power. ?It’s always been a very dependable system and worked great on my previous American cabinet saw (Powermatic). ?But now with the new slider having power drive built into it, anytime I raise or tilt the blade, the cable sensor must be picking up the current draw and proceeds to open the blast gate and turn on my dust collector for short moments of time. ?Would anybody have a solution fix for this? ?I may be out of luck I know, but just wanted to check with the group and see if anybody has experienced this or has heard of maybe a fix. ?I thought I had read somewhere that my slider could be integrated with a dust collector. ?But can’t remember if I read that correctly or even where I saw that. ? Pictures attached of my set up.

Thx,

Wade



Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

The few Veritas items I have are really well made, and those stops look solid.

The 80/20 Series 10 extrusions have a center hole that can be tapped for a 1/4” bolt, if I understand correctly. That would allow a replaceable zero-clearance end piece. That is not as important as having a stop that fits correctly, though.

I am giving serious consideration to the Veritas (Lee Valley) stops with their tape track and tapes.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022


Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

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Hey David,

Those Lee Valley flip stops look solid. ?Thank you for sharing. ?Do you use them with their quad track? ?If so, do you have the 3/4” spoil board incorporated into this as well? Would you mount the measure tape on the spoil board I assume?

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 8, 2022, at 4:42 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

?I like the 1-1/2” tall Lee Valley flip stop and tracks. They are designed so that a 3/4” spoil board/backer/ZCI strip can be used with the stop, and that backer can be moved/adjusted as required. ?Use instructions that illustrate this can be seen here: ??

They can be purchased here: ?


I prefer to sight down an edge to the distance tape rather than through a lens with scribe mark - less chance for parallax error. ? Or add a DRO. ?

David Best - via mobile phone?

On Feb 8, 2022, at 3:28 PM, John Hinman <Jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?I am planning to make a Fritz and Franz jig as soon as my new slider arrives. What do people favor for flip stops?

I would like to find stops with a cursor for a stick-on tape, if that exists. I think I saw one in a video once, but cannot find it again.

I do not have the track yet. The 80/20 Inc. extrusions are interesting, but I do not know how compatible they are with any of the flip stops. One video showed the stops being modified to fit the extrusions.

Thanks for any thoughts, or for links to information!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022


Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

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You guys building F&F, please share when done. I am finally getting to the point to think about building one.

Imran?

On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

?
John

I’m right there with you! ?My new K700S is about to make it’s first cut this weekend.
Just need to do a few more things. ?But the F&F jig will be the very first thing I build.?
I’ve been researching all the necessary components, for the past 2-3 weeks now. Nothing ordered yet, but the runner material I’m leaning towards is Delrin plastic. ?Then I’m on the fence about the tracks. ?80/20 is great but, before I decide on a track, I’ll need to decide on the flips. ?I’ve narrowed it down to two styles of flips. ?But also need to decide if I want to incorporate sacrificial sliding fences on his jig. ?I really do like Extreme Woodworker’s new upgrades, Steve has a nice, new design. ?And the Woodhaven stops he used look solid, but he had to slightly modify them to work with the 80/20 track. ?Then there are the flip stops that French River Springs used on his version of a F&F jig. ?Those have a pointed indicator and look very solid as well. ?I’m thinking I’ll use HDO 1-1/8” plywood for the decks. ?So I’m still deigning as you can see, LOL

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 8, 2022, at 3:28 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?I am planning to make a Fritz and Franz jig as soon as my new slider arrives. What do people favor for flip stops?

I would like to find stops with a cursor for a stick-on tape, if that exists. I think I saw one in a video once, but cannot find it again.

I do not have the track yet. The 80/20 Inc. extrusions are interesting, but I do not know how compatible they are with any of the flip stops. One video showed the stops being modified to fit the extrusions.

Thanks for any thoughts, or for links to information!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022


Re: Flip stops for F&F jig

 

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John

I’m right there with you! ?My new K700S is about to make it’s first cut this weekend.
Just need to do a few more things. ?But the F&F jig will be the very first thing I build.?
I’ve been researching all the necessary components, for the past 2-3 weeks now. Nothing ordered yet, but the runner material I’m leaning towards is Delrin plastic. ?Then I’m on the fence about the tracks. ?80/20 is great but, before I decide on a track, I’ll need to decide on the flips. ?I’ve narrowed it down to two styles of flips. ?But also need to decide if I want to incorporate sacrificial sliding fences on his jig. ?I really do like Extreme Woodworker’s new upgrades, Steve has a nice, new design. ?And the Woodhaven stops he used look solid, but he had to slightly modify them to work with the 80/20 track. ?Then there are the flip stops that French River Springs used on his version of a F&F jig. ?Those have a pointed indicator and look very solid as well. ?I’m thinking I’ll use HDO 1-1/8” plywood for the decks. ?So I’m still deigning as you can see, LOL

Thx,

Wade

On Feb 8, 2022, at 3:28 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?I am planning to make a Fritz and Franz jig as soon as my new slider arrives. What do people favor for flip stops?

I would like to find stops with a cursor for a stick-on tape, if that exists. I think I saw one in a video once, but cannot find it again.

I do not have the track yet. The 80/20 Inc. extrusions are interesting, but I do not know how compatible they are with any of the flip stops. One video showed the stops being modified to fit the extrusions.

Thanks for any thoughts, or for links to information!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022