Bill, what is he selling them for? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of David Davies Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 11:27 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Crazy Horse Dolly ? Bill, ? I emailed Michael directly.? It wasn't on his website.?? ? On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 12:24 PM Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote: How did you order one David? I don't see that option on the WestOak website.. ? It must be easy to store since you can't even see it in the picture.? I ordered one and if I don't have room it'll just stay broken down until I get my retirement shop...and Panel Handler and Barth apparently. ? I store my CHD as shown in the picture (yellow arrow).? Very convenient.? A great product.? I do not have a lot of maneuvering room, but when I have 4x8 plywood near the saw, the CHD helps me get the wood on the saw.? Of course more wiggle room would be ideal, but even with my current space limitations, it has value.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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When I picked up my Felder at the freight terminal I quickly understood all the damage. The forklift operators drive FAST with and without a load. Like 20 MPH fast. I was told by Felder they use the 2 by 4 and plastic because if not the freight company will almost always stack on top. I have a very expensive set of speakers arrive UPS and one of the two boxes arrived with a hole all the way through the box, and the speaker inside, and out the other side. The speaker walls were 50 mm of high density particle board. So the forklift had enough momentum to ram a fork through 100mm of high density particle board. Crazy.?
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On Jan 5, 2022, at 10:08 AM, Bill Hope <hope.we@...> wrote:
?Ed, you're only hearing about the bad experiences. There should be some good ones as well. My Hammer B3 came in an open frame crate as well. There was a bit of damage to the 'crate' on the slider side, but no damage to the saw itself. I did take delivery of a HS-950 on Monday. It's 'fully' crated, but the plywood top wouldn't have taken a hit as there wasn't any real frame underneath (strips of plywood) and the whole thing basically lifted off the crate once the straps were removed. I will say that both machines were securely fastened to the pallet.  -- -- Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with a Hammer
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Re: Martin Fritz and Franz Jig For Sale
Hi Mac, let me start by saying that you are partially responsible for me thinking about selling this jig because your clamps are simply awesome. ?In terms of the Ruwi F & F Jig I made one for 90 degree cuts and another jig for 45 degree cuts based on a suggested design by Lon Chen. ?So the Ruwi jig would be useful for any cuts of other angles but I just haven't used it much. ?Am I missing something in terms of use of the jig?
Scott
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Ed, you're only hearing about the bad experiences. There should be some good ones as well. My Hammer B3 came in an open frame crate as well. There was a bit of damage to the 'crate' on the slider side, but no damage to the saw itself. I did take delivery of a HS-950 on Monday. It's 'fully' crated, but the plywood top wouldn't have taken a hit as there wasn't any real frame underneath (strips of plywood) and the whole thing basically lifted off the crate once the straps were removed. I will say that both machines were securely fastened to the pallet.  -- -- Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with a Hammer
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Re: New K700S Delivery Damage to Sliding Table
Yes, I just experienced a delivery of a damaged sliding table saw package. (sorry- this machine came from Italy - forgive me now before continuing...)
Slider was okay, as it was in a solid wood coffin with ply tops and fastened to a special pallet for it. They did their darnedest to it, but that structure held up well.
However, entire 4'x7' cardboard enclosure over plastic wrap could be lifted off with one hand. Cones placed on top to prevent stacking were completely ripped off, and pallet had rubbed right down to the iron top. Fortunately, things turned out okay. I thought a corner was hit, as switch plate was bowed out ~5mm. Could not figure that out, until wiring time. A bundle of wires was pinched (unharmed) in between saw body and switch plate during factory assembly. In the end, the only real loss was a broken plastic splinter guard on the largest squaring bar.
More to the point: I called my salesman while on the truck inspecting, and he did everything he could to coerce me into accepting the machine, unless it was completely annihilated. I realize, it would save him the headaches and place duty of resolving all issues squarely on me. Not cool. I got lucky, but as I'm reading here, I think I'd reject it next time.
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So- anyone else expecting machines, expect similar issues. It's just the way things are right now, regardless the shipping company or manufacturer involved.
Be ruthless, and shove the results of their carelessness right back on them. You will then get results. Just remember, whoever is stuck with the half-ton damaged machine is the one most motivated to remedy the situation. Sadly, in this instance, it is Shimmdog, our original poster.?
Good luck with your freight claim, but I will say, my Felder rep took the bull by the horns and rounded up all missing components from my shaper last spring, unlike my salesman for the machine I just received, who seems to not want to hear from me and is being as dismissive as he can be.
I trust your Felder rep will follow through and help you thoroughly.??
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This is? a little late? for this? buyer.
Accepting the damaged? goods is far preferable to refusing.?
Refusing can add costs to quarrel about (storage & handling)
and the item can be further damaged? which would be more to?
quarrel about.? Endorse the bill of lading and add a clause
indicating that the packaging was damaged and acceptance is
reserved until inspection.? Take pictures.
Refusing doesn't do a better job of preserving your rights.? You
rights as a purchaser may be readily vindicated by the seller but
if the seller is uncooperative? you will end up having to
litigate.
I always recommend that the purchaser acquire a Performance Bond
in the form of Cargo Insurance from their homeowners' insurance
company at the time of making the order. You can get it in the
form of a temporary rider.
The UCC places liability? for risk of loss? on the? buyer,? in
the absentee of a breech where goods are to be delivered to a
specific location. But? retailers almost never? apply this reading
of the UCC? to end use retail consumers. This is because the
players are not operating from the same playing? level.
I don't recall the terms used in my purchase agreement.? Read
it.? It will probably? cover the whole risk of loss thing.? If it
does and it differs from the UCC? then the agreement controls.
It is not been my experience that Felder is overly warm, to the
idea of? taking responsibility? for things they do wrong.
By way of example
When I bought my RL160 the documentation? expressly? stated that
the upstream protection was not to exceed? 20 amps.? So my
electrician wired it in accordingly and all it did was blow fuses.
I was steamed, the motor needs? a lot more inrush current to get
started under? full load.? I wanted Felder to? pay the additional
to have the old? wiring pulled and new laid.
They had some guy who must have been a used car salesman to
gas-light me for a couple weeks? probably? intending that he would
be able to frustrate me to the point of abandoning my claim.
My offer was to sue them but not? according to the agreement. I
was going to being them into NJ state court and ask the court to
reform the contractual terms? voiding their choice of laws and
choice of? venue clauses? which if? I succeeded would put them at
risk of being sued in all the various states in the nation instead
of forcing all litigants to go to Delaware.? I did not know if I'd
succeed but the Courts in my state? have been changing? rather
drastically and may have gone along. it'd have been way worse for
Felder hf that happened? than them paying a few? hundred for my
electrician.
This process took weeks as I recall and it was infuriating.
Avoid the possibility of all that crap by purchasing insurance.
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So, after 9
months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping
terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the
sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it
had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so
disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience,
and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the
saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have
no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier
form with the damage and was provided an exception number
(whatever that is).
  
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I was thinking the same as a fallback option. That is you could wire your machine similar to mine which does not require a PCB. Just a DIN rail is all you need and you can hardwire the selector switch connections. You could also add the brake board if you like.
I still think, it would be much less work, if yours could be fixed with help from Felder. In general, they are very good. You start a ticket online or by calling them. They will troubleshoot with your help on the phone. It does not cost you anything.
Imran
On Jan 5, 2022, at 9:34 AM, S.Ryan <seamieryan@...> wrote:
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Jeeze Louise! All of this is making me nervous. I am expecting delivery of my K700 in April. This happened to me when I ordered my jointer from Grizzly. It was a logistical nightmare working with them and something I wouldn't expect from Felder. With the price of our Felder toys, we should expect proper freighting. I think it would be in their best interest to do this right. Anyway, I wish you well and hope that the problem is resolved soon.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs Easthampton,? MA?
Imran, thanks for the NIH reference, I wasn't sure what that was. As for OSB tress maybe they don't really have them or NIH applies in the case. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:01 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: OSB trees, that is a good one, Glen.
For the uninitiated, NIH per urban dictionary means: Not Invented Here? The German art of??any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany,?, or?. Imran ? David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
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In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
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So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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Hi Imran,
Strange that the two machines are so different considering the same build year.? At least K1 is identified in your drawing, the four contactors in mine are not identified on any drawing I've seen, plus, they seem to be fitted in a kind of socket thats soldered to the board.? I'd much prefer your wiring design, as its easier follow whats connected to what.? There is even some kind of microcontroller or pic or something on this board, maybe the star/delta timing or phase monitoring by the current transformers is monitored by that... I'm not sure.? ?I think I'll end up building a new S/D starter on a DIN rail with regular contactors and put it into the saw panel and carry on...At the end of the day, its only a motor - all this fancy PCB stuff is a bit overkill....of course I'd be losing the brake.... but as things stand, the brake is no use if it doesn't run in the first place!
Thanks for your information so far Imran
Seamus
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Agree with above.? Definitely do not sign for it, once you do, it's 100% yours.? Don't let anyone pressure you to sign.? Drivers & Loaders are always in a hurry and waiting there while you unpack your stuff is low on their to do list.? ?I was inspecting my K3 on arrival a few months ago, and as I was inspecting the driver says "looks good to me."? Sometimes you just have to ignore them.
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Imran, thanks for the NIH reference, I wasn't sure what that was. As for OSB tress maybe they don't really have them or NIH applies in the case. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:01 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: OSB trees, that is a good one, Glen.
For the uninitiated, NIH per urban dictionary means: Not Invented Here? The German art of??any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany,?, or?. Imran ? David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
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In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
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So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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OSB trees, that is a good one, Glen.
For the uninitiated, NIH per urban dictionary means: The German art of??any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany,?, or?. Imran
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On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote: ? David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
<35521384466_29aabb891b_c.jpeg>
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
<28075493167_47cf2d4202_c(1).jpeg>
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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When my machines arrived in Sacramento I went down to inspect them the best I could before the rigger picked them up to deliver. Actually I think you suggested that to me back then. They looked fine and when they got to my shop they were all still as the day I saw them In Sac. However I used the rigger that Felder recommended at the time just in case I had problems.
Well Now that I know you have Martin background, would yu be welling to help me spec out a new slider? Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
There was enough damage to the 2x4 scaffold that I could inspect the contents before deciding whether to accept or reject.? Normally I would have rejected it immediately, but I had a rigging crew there for transport to my shop and they suggested digging a bit deeper.? Amazingly there was no damage to anything, so I accepted the shipment. ?
David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
<35521384466_29aabb891b_c.jpeg>
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
<28075493167_47cf2d4202_c(1).jpeg>
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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There was enough damage to the 2x4 scaffold that I could inspect the contents before deciding whether to accept or reject. ?Normally I would have rejected it immediately, but I had a rigging crew there for transport to my shop and they suggested digging a bit deeper. ?Amazingly there was no damage to anything, so I accepted the shipment. ?
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David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
<35521384466_29aabb891b_c.jpeg>
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
<28075493167_47cf2d4202_c(1).jpeg>
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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Well, I totally agree, and have given that feedback to the top management of Felder USA many times. In a market like this, where supply chains are clogged, shipping companies are short staffed, customers are waiting 12 months for their pre-paid orders, etc., you would think crating a machine to ensure no damage through LTL shipment would be pretty high priority. ?But in the battle between NIH and being open to constructive feedback, NIH always wins at Felder. ?I¡¯ve made countless product improvement suggestions to Felder which were not only ignored, but not even acknowledged with ¡°I received your suggestions - please stop." ?In contrast, when Martin wanted to come up with an ¡°entry level¡± sliding table saw, they paid me handsomely to come to Germany to provide input on the various design tradeoffs for the T60. ?I have come to the conclusion that it¡¯s an impenetrable cultural thing with Felder. ?It's a mindset that just doesn't change. ? End of rant.
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On Jan 4, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Jarrett Maxwell < j.a.max7@...> wrote:
David,?
That is insulting to receive your Kappa "crated" like that after spending as much as that machine costs!?
Felder would save money in the long run by properly crating their products up front rather than dealing with warranty and shipping damages on the back end.?
Jarrett
? Instagram: geometric_innovations? That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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David,?
That is insulting to receive your Kappa "crated" like that after spending as much as that machine costs!?
Felder would save money in the long run by properly crating their products up front rather than dealing with warranty and shipping damages on the back end.?
Jarrett
? Instagram: geometric_innovations?
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon. ?I would have declined the shipment. ?Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment. ?For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal. ?In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
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So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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Hello again,
My KF is also 2001. It is strange that I do not have a PCB. The only PCB is the brake board. I will attach my schematic but it is not going to match. Felder should be able to provide you with one got your machine.
Unless used in a production environment, your grandkids probably will be using this machine. Felder offers great support and I imagine you can get it running just fine.
Imran
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On Jan 4, 2022, at 6:31 PM, S.Ryan <seamieryan@...> wrote: ?Hi Imran,
Its a 2001 machine, its getting a bit long in the tooth, but was working fine up to recently.
But yes, there is 24vac present across the start switch, and I've replaced that switch block with a new one, but still no dice.
In this saw, the brake circuitry is all on the one main board, so I'm not sure that can be eliminated easily.
I've trawled through the files section, but failed to find anything to help my cause....
I think if I fail to fix this, I'll abandon all that board and electronics and make up my own star/detla starter and use that, though I'd prefer fix it as it stands....
Thanks!
Seamus
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Re: New K700S Delivery Damage to Sliding Table
This thread makes me nervous too. I think my K700S came to Delaware the same time, but I am summonses to pick it up from the trucking terminal. I suspect cannot strip it down or unpack anything before I pick it up.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022
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Joe Jensen
Bill Hope
imran
David P. Best
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