Re: I need a little shaper help
Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won¡¯t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Humphrey Holden company,? Interesting ?thanks mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 9:09 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Just catching up on this old house. Last week¡¯s episode showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out (similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80 a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
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Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won¡¯t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Just catching up on this old house. Last week¡¯s episode showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out (similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80 a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Re: K700s commissioning and DB
Steve your experience parallel's mine. I ordered my Kappa 400 at the end of 12/20 and received it last August. While waiting for the saw I totally reimagined my shop, upgraded electrical, lighting and put in all new clamp together ductwork. I too am very grateful for all the advice and help that David Best gave to me in configuring my machine and recommending commissioning. I had Felder Tech Kelly commission my Kappa 400 and AD941. Not all would agree, but I think commissioning should be builtin to the pricing which would eliminate a lot of frustrations. Plus a big shout all to all those who are so helpful on this forum.?
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
Thanks, Steve!
I was not really excited about assembling things. The slider is heavy and awkward, and the fence is also. I am not sure what the slider weighs, but your manifest says the slider and crate weigh about 350 pounds.
Trucking distance from Delaware is some 1,500 to 1,600 miles more than from Los Angeles. Hard to say what that means in terms of cost compared to shipping through the Panama Canal. American trucking is pretty efficient, so I would not expect the cost difference to be great. In fact, Felder must have determined it was in their best interest to route it through Delaware. I have heard of ships being diverted from LA to the east coast due to delays at Los Angeles.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022
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K700s commissioning and DB
I finally got my new K700s commissioned and up and running yesterday. I ordered it in December 2020 and took delivery in late September. You'd think that after waiting 10 months I'd be ready for the saw but, no, not even close. After finishing a project I proceeded to completely reinvent my shop floor plan. Redo some electrical, tear up the dust collection and in the middle of it all, have half my knee replaced. Four weeks after surgery I was under the shop floor (wood floor, 3' crawlspace) putting the DC piping back together.?
I want to give a big shout out to David Best. I've never talked to him but have read everything he's written on buying one of these things at least five times so I felt pretty comfortable building the saw when ordering. One thing I kept seeing was his recommendation to have Felder commission your new machine. I sure didn't want to spend the $1400 but the fact he has Felder commission his new machines really made an impression on me. THANK GOD I FOLLOWED HIS ADVICE! I had put the saw together (Felder's instructions are rather vague on this) and noticed the slider seemed to be a bit high to the cast table on the outfeed side of the blade. No worries as the Felder tech will dial it in I thought. Turns out the cast table was way out of wack. Two opposite corners low and the other two high. The tech had to level the cast, then start from scratch with the slider and then dial everything else in. He was at the house for 9 hours but got it all set up. Thank you Kelly! And thank you DB! I'm reasonably mechanically inclined but I seriously doubt I could have figured it all out before I blew up with frustration. About the best $1400 I've ever spent. I'm really excited to get the shop back together and start cutting wood!
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
John,
The commissioning contract says the saw must be in its final position which I took to mean put together and situated where it will live. I¡¯ve since learned that everything should be uncrated and the saw cabinet must be in the place it will live. And yes, the electrical and DC must be hooked up. They will ask you to measure the voltage and it must be within 10% of the rated power. You don¡¯t have to assemble anything so you will have parts all over the shop. They¡¯re all heavy and awkward so be careful. I got the feeling they prefer that the owner not assemble the saw so they can assemble it correctly and not have to fix any mistakes made by the owner. In my case I guess I assembled it correctly so no harm no foul. It was beneficial for me as it still took the whole day to commission. I described the commissioning in another post. Let me know if you don¡¯t see it.
Crazy your saw is coming through Delaware but it will probably save weeks if not months in delivery time. I¡¯m pretty sure mine sat on a ship for at least a few weeks as it took 10 months to arrive. I¡¯m so relived to have up and running. It¡¯s been a project and I¡¯m not done yet getting the shop back together.
Steve Krasovich
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Glen and others you need to be?meticulous with set up , ?make sure all bushings are clean no dirt or burrs they all have to be handled carefully . A Nick or burr in the sandwich can also bend the spindle. If you drop bushing inspect carefully . Mac..
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On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Speedrrracer, exactly what David K shared. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
Steve,
I would really like to hear about the commissioning process for your K700S. I paid for that, but don¡¯t really know what to expect.
It is called ¡°installation/commissioning¡±, but I do not know how much installation and assembly I need to do. I believe I need to have the machine hooked up to power and to dust connection, but I don¡¯t know if I am expected to have the slider attached, the fence attached, etc, before the technician arrives. I have intended to ask Felder, but have not gotten around to it yet.
Supposedly my machine will come to the Delaware port this month and then get trucked across country to Idaho. The original plan was to come by ship to Los Angeles, but with the back-ups at Los Angeles apparently Felder changed the shipping process.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Speedrrracer, exactly what David K shared. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won¡¯t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
When I went to take delivery of my K700s in late September my heart sank when I saw the slider pallet. As the picture shows one end was damaged and the box had rips in it. After opening that end of box and finding only one very small ding I noted and photographed the damage and accepted the pallet. The saw pallet was undamaged.
The 2x4¡¯s that ring the pallet are simply huge magnets for any number of things to grab hold of while being being whisked along at 15-20mph. These slider pallets hardly stand a chance! The good news is all was good with the slider during commissioning yesterday (separate thread).
Steve Krasovich
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
Bill: that's the most pristine machinery pallet I've ever seen, and I've received literally tons of them. My latest saw hiccup fortunately turned out okay once fully investigated, but it is the first time I ever was in a position of possible refusal, so I'd say yes, guys, you're right. The few bad ones are far outweighed by the successful ones. Just be sure to inspect ANYTHING that doesn't look as good as Bill's crate did. It is your right, I'm told.?
jeff
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Re: Martin Fritz and Franz Jig For Sale
Scott, I don't blame you!
Larry
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Awesome news Seamus. Yes always suggest looking for the simple stuff. If I guess, I imagine ~75% if no start reported here are stop switch related.
Since 24VAC circuit is normally open on a good machine, it is difficult to trouble shoot your case (high resistance switch) as voltage will appear normal. I believe input impedance of a typical DVM is in megaohms.
BTW, call Felder for a wiring schematic if your machine. They are very helpful.
Imran
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On Jan 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, S.Ryan <seamieryan@...> wrote: ?Hi Imran...
So I went ahead and built up another S/D starter for this saw with contactors and timers I had lying around,,, worked great on the bench...
so when I disconnected the Felder PCB from the machine to install my new starter, I was buzzing out the cables to see what was what, emo, saw blade cover etc etc.
Then I disovered the Stop button (which should be normally closed) had a resistance of about 1k, so clearly there was something amiss there.... so I decided then I'd give it the benefit of the doubt and reinstalled the Felder board again, but with a new Stop button.? Bingo.? It worked straight away... so the lesson here is to check out the basic stuff first!!!
All that said, I'd still love to have drawings for this, you'd never know when a guy would need them.
Thanks so much for your insights on this problem Imran... if I ever find drawings, I will upload them to the files section for sure.
Seamus
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Re: Martin Fritz and Franz Jig For Sale
Larry, thanks for your inquiry. ? For now I have decided to keep the jig and try and develop better ways to quickly install and set precise angles.
Scott
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Hi Imran...
So I went ahead and built up another S/D starter for this saw with contactors and timers I had lying around,,, worked great on the bench...
so when I disconnected the Felder PCB from the machine to install my new starter, I was buzzing out the cables to see what was what, emo, saw blade cover etc etc.
Then I disovered the Stop button (which should be normally closed) had a resistance of about 1k, so clearly there was something amiss there.... so I decided then I'd give it the benefit of the doubt and reinstalled the Felder board again, but with a new Stop button.? Bingo.? It worked straight away... so the lesson here is to check out the basic stuff first!!!
All that said, I'd still love to have drawings for this, you'd never know when a guy would need them.
Thanks so much for your insights on this problem Imran... if I ever find drawings, I will upload them to the files section for sure.
Seamus
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Grizzly Universal Overarm Blade Guard
I know some here have used this to add overarm blade guard capability to their Felder machine. I am sure it won¡¯t go for $25 (plus auction fee) but could be a good deal for someone near Tracy, CA. Grizzly currently sells it for $415.
Grizzly "T10113" Universal Overarm Blade Guard
Imran?
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Whenever I put the cutterhead on the shaper, I follow the following instruction.
James
On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:41 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The top spacer has to be enough above the spindle so the recessed rim of the cap contacts it when tightened down.? There can be times when everything appears tight but the cap is contacting the center of the spindle but the rim isn't putting enough pressure
on the spacers.? Dave
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter
head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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imran
JP Rice
Larry