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Re: Finger Pulls on Drawer fronts
OK The search for a Capable Process has been pursued, using comments from the FOG Success and repeatability has been achieved The template was modified with a 30 mm overlap from the edge to allow a quick alignment and therefore a faster, more consistent feed rate Two routers used, bothe with template followers set so the one template could be used without changing. The first run was a straight cut bit to hog as much as possible, the second with a finger pull bit to quickly remove the final waste All good, still talking to my daughter BTW, it was recycled hardwood, 60 yrs old from a house I demo'd, it was building euc, therefore mixed south coast eucs, not easily identified. BTW2 Couldnt?see a difference with router speed, bear in mind the bits were 12mm and about 22mm ie small BTW3 Derek- I bought a plane from you many yrs ago- prob E?Bay Regards to all Tnx Bob |
Re: Shaper with CopeCrafter and outboard fence and pressure jaws to make panels
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Joel:For endgrain work, I use the Aigner Contermax for very small furniture parts only. Larger cuts call for the tenon plate, short crosscut fence, and Mac¡¯s clamps, as per David B¡¯s style. That works well for me although I love the look of the Copecrafter product. I¡¯m writing particularly about your comments on the profile aspect of the joint. I assume you have the Aigner thickness stop? And do you have David B¡¯s micro-adjustment mod? If not, send him lots of money and wine and ask him to make you one! It is worth whatever he asks for it. I now use the modified Aigner thickness stop as much as possible. It is easier to set up and calibrate, and provides much more reliable results. I have found that the Comatic ¡°narrow¡± wheels are an important accessory for narrower stock profiling. Indeed, the extra addition of an aluminium rail helps with any clearance issues if the stock is thin as well. I use the Aigner pressure jaws as often as possible as I find it gives me more reliable results compared to just using the feeder alone. Maybe I need more practice with my feeder, but I like the security of added pressure when using the back fence. David also makes a modification for the pressure jaws so that it fits into the Aigner Centrex. This allows for the jaws to be swung down for use and takes very little time to adjust. The only times I don¡¯t use the jaws with the back fence is for super narrow stock (say 25mm), where the jaws get in the way of the feeder. If you have a Centrex, ask David for that mod too, assuming he is still offering that service. Your profile and counter-profile look is cool. Good luck. Warm regards, Lucky Dr David Luckensmeyer ? ? M: 0413 013 115
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Re: Pressure Plate AD941
Thanks Mark.? Thought it was for pressure after the infeed roller.? I like the idea of tape to lift it ever so slightly.? Too many folds to bend it evenly (and that doesn¡¯t seem right anyway). On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:40 PM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
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Re: Shaper with CopeCrafter and outboard fence and pressure jaws to make panels
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI use the Aigner CounterMax (coping sled) if I¡¯m making a single door. ?I have experienced some inconsistent registration using the Aigner CounterMax at times, but it¡¯s pretty rare. ?It helps if the backer board is softwood (fir or pine) which helps eliminate clamp-slip.When making several doors, this is the setup I use for cope cutting, employing three of Mac¡¯s clamps (including his new horizontal add-on) and tenoning plate on the X-Roll sliding table: That¡¯s a lot to set up, which is why I generally make extra stile and rail parts in case one gets mangled in the workflow after the cope cuts. ?I did a whole series of videos on the process I use for frame & panel door work on the shaper that includes recovering from a post-cope-cut snipe that destroyed one of the rails. ?For that recovery I use the Aigner CounterMax in lieu of recreating the above setup. ?You can view the series here: ? David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Pressure Plate AD941
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIt is not a pressure plate, it is a chip deflector and that is it¡¯s only purpose. Do NOT push it down , obviously you wouldn¡¯t do that if you wanted it up but if you find that you bent it up too far you might find yourself pushing it back down.?The reason is, mine was played with and bent to far down or something else, (not by me¡) wood caught it on the way in and pushed it into the cutter head destroying the machine to the point it had to be replaced¡ With that said i think my situation is an extreme case as they were trying to modify the shape slightly. A?slight even lift on it will reduce the squeal , another thing to try is add some Gorilla tape on the inside )behind front as you are looking at it). This will reduce it, did on mine anyways. I would call Felder tech support and have them suggest bending it up before attempting that why you might be covered if anything happens¡ The spec for the distance from the cutter head (vertical) is in your doc¡¯s so you could double check that as well. Regards, Mark On May 18, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Mike S <Mike@...> wrote:
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Pressure Plate AD941
I searched topics but didn¡¯t find what I was looking for. ?New to me J/P wasn¡¯t self feeding (planer). ?Not too much figuring to decide there¡¯s too much pressure from the plate (ascertained by removing it). ?It¡¯s a complex fold of sheet metal so instinct says to relieve some of its bend. ?Better judgement says pause and ask the community. ?For what its worth, very very little adjustment in the bolts holding it in place. ?Thoughts? ?Thanks. ?
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Re: Shaper with CopeCrafter and outboard fence and pressure jaws to make panels
Good resources, thank you for sharing, I have heard of the Copecrafter stuff but never knew the?real name or where to find them,?and it was always from people who "used to work in a cabinet shop". My guess is the Copecrafter became very marketable for shops when the arch-top cabinet era was in full?swing with millwrights hand-working each piece before the CNC market hadn't swooped in and changed the production methods.? I'm curious if you use any corrugated knife tools or insert-knife styles and how you find them compared to the full-on carbide tooling set? The joints look beautifully executed?here, great example! On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:08 PM joelgelman via <joelgelman=[email protected]> wrote:
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Shaper with CopeCrafter and outboard fence and pressure jaws to make panels
I am working on dialing in a "go to" custom profile for the rails and stiles of panels. ?I found that in a cutterhead from Great Lakes with custom knives (see pictures). ?Everything else I have is from Rangate, but I was looking for a custom profile. ?One way to use the shaper for that is shown in this very nice video from David Zaret, and that was referenced in a prior post.
For the cope cuts, David uses a sliding table bolted to the shaper along with some very nice mac clamps. ?I have a similar setup but not with the 2 clamp setup at this time (I have 1 that can press down). ?I also have the Aigner basic coping sled that is in the attached picture. I was talking to David today, and he feel the Aigner sled can be a bit inaccurate with some shift as you turn the knob to press the spring clamp to the wood, and the heavy sliding table can be pain to move and setup. ?Since he made the video, he started to pretty much exclusively use something called the CopeCrafter CC-10.? I looked up "copecrafter" here on this forum and could not see it mentioned. ?Curious if anyone has experience with this. For the stick cuts, the plan is to use the Aigner outboard fence. ?One option would be to remove one set of the 4 wheels on the feeder to replace them with spacers so the wheel profile is not so wide and the feeder will fit. ?However, David uses an accessory fence that provides the clearance to allow the feeder to be used without dealing with the wheels. ?That seems easier to me. On thing I noticed is that he does not use the pressure jaws. ?David did not really find them of value for these particular cuts. ?It is my understanding that the very innovative David Best may have come up with an option better than the now discontinued Aigner product. ?I was curious what you all think of what would be the best option for this particular application. ?Obviously not dealing with jaws is the easiest and fastest way as long as there is no compromise in safety and/or accuracy. |
Auction: Dallas - Ironwood High Feature Sliding Table Saw
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFor a change there is good description of the saw features in the listing. Interesting features:
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Re: Shutter louver
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJoel, Thanks for great post on the making of Shutter louvers. Excellent details on jigs and supplies/suppliers. With all this info I will be making my own shutters. Colin ? ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: joelgelman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 17 May 2021 12:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FOG] Shutter louver ? "Sorry, have not fully followed this thread could you explain the staple issue you overcame to a lay person." ? |
Re: Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAll kidding aside, Felder retort won¡¯t hold water. Having a fixed table in front for profiling long stock and a sliding table on the side for short xcut is an ideal setup. At least for the work I envision doing on a shaper. Imran On May 17, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Say "What?" Again!? ? ?Do they speak English in What?? On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:33 AM joelgelman via <joelgelman=[email protected]> wrote: I guess many did not get the reference: ?Brett said: "I would guess Felder's retort would be the ability to add outriggers? and crosscut fences to their sliding table system Brett Wissel
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Re: Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
Say "What?" Again!? ? ?Do they speak English in What?? On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:33 AM joelgelman via <joelgelman=[email protected]> wrote: I guess many did not get the reference: ?Brett said: "I would guess Felder's retort would be the ability to add outriggers? and crosscut fences to their sliding table system --
Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@... |
Re: New F900z = frustration
Okay- they also forgot to pack the 1100mm fence, so when that gets here, that piece will?make more sense.? Jeff On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:23 PM Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote:
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Re: New F900z = frustration
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Re: Shutter louver
"Sorry, have not fully followed this thread could you explain the staple issue you overcame to a lay person."
I am no expert, and this thread will get buried, but will be available should someone look this up, and so I will share a few thoughts on making shudders. For the louvers, I am glad I purchased them at Rockler. ?Sure I could have purchased the tooling and made them, but for a one off, easier to buy the louvers than buy tooling (that then will need to be stored). ?They will be pained white. If you happen to want a certain wood grain, well that would be different. On the rails and stiles, I used Maple but basswood offers the advantage of lighter weight. ?I made my stiles 1 1/16 thick and the rails not as thick. ?That gives a nice profile with the beads on the inside of the stile. ?For the bit, I liked the Rockler profile better than what I could get on my 1 Whitesides beading bits.? The stiles get the bead and the rails get a rabbet. For the notch for the control arm on the top rail, the Rockler jig makes that easy. ? To make the holes on the inside edges of the stiles, Rockler sells a jig, but I think it is easier and faster to mark all of the stiles across where the holes will be, and use a drill press and fence. ?I bought the jig and ended up not using it. ?Time to sell it cheap. For the joinery, I was very happy with the Mafell and dowels. ?Easy to do dry fits, and subsequent final assembly. For drilling the holes in the ends of the louvers I used the Rockler jig connected to plywood that had a toggle clamp to secure the wood. ?Very fast accurate drilling. Rockler does make products to connect control arms to louvers as an alternative to the staples used by the pros. ?I used staples and jigs. ?adding the 1/4 crown x 7/8 staple to the middle of each louver on end was done with the 1 jig shown in the picture. The staple gun has to be positioned to deliver the staple to the right depth and setting a stop allows the staple to be centered. The more tricky part is connecting the louvers to the control arm. ?It can be done with 1/4 crown by 5/8 staples. ?In this case, I made my own 1/2 x 5/8 control arms out of basswood with roundovers. ?These control arms then fit in a trough of my jig. ?The staple gun is positioned so that when a louver with a staple is set over the control arm, the staple will go through the center of the staple in the louver and attach it to the control arm. ?There seemed to be slight variability in depth, so I make sure the depth of staple penetration was a bit less than final, and then I use a hammer to have the stapes all protrude 1/4 inch. ?Having this consistency was very helpful in making sure that the louvers opened and closed evenly. For the assembly, I first connected the rails to 1 stile and did a glue up making sure it was square. ?Then, when that dried I fit the louvers (with shudder pins) into the holes and added the other stile. ?Tricky getting the shudder pins to all fit, but doing it in 2 steps makes this way easier. For the hinges, many options including lift off. ?I found nice polished nickel hinges that were Deltana CH3020U14 that were really nice. ?I mortise them in using a jig from Woodhaven. ? |
Re: Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
yes. its an interesting design...?
Believe it or not, SCM asked almost 2000 Euro for this feeder support, because I upgraded to a overhead display, I didnt want to pay 2000 Euro for a feeder support, but I have no choice... if I want my overhead display, I must buy this support. almost feel like a ransom.? |