¡°I can already tell my shop is too small. ?It can't be that I have too many tools, it just can't be.¡±
reminds me of my trip to builtmore. i noted that the bed was tiny and upon inquiring if vanderbilts were diminutive i was informed about the size of the room. i remember it was close to our 1st house which was bit over 1000 sqft. oh! to be clear you have the exact opposite problem ?and i can relate to it ?
imran
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 1:29 PM, shupe5402@... wrote: I can already tell my shop is too small. ?It can't be that I have too many tools, it just can't be.
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OK, just to close the loop on this...
The electric company tested my line, and the power was 246, so no issues there. ?Turns out my electrician needed a new voltmeter.
However, the machine still would not run, so today a very excellent Felder tech came out from the DFW office and found a neutral wire that was not connected properly by the factory. ?He fixed it.
So... ?the machine now runs, the electricity is good, and my next step is to figure out what the design of my dust collection system should be so I can get it all hooked up.
I have an Oneida collector, so they will help with the design once I get my machines placed in their permanent homes.
I can already tell my shop is too small. ?It can't be that I have too many tools, it just can't be.
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Re: Shark Universal Overhead Guard Model S-12S
I looked at the harvey guard some years ago because I though I could fit it on my old Robinson.? I'm not sure it will handle a 16" blade or a 12" with scoring.? If no scoring, it should work.? Dave
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I received a message from Harvey doing an intro offer on their saw guard.? At first look, it appears to be a reasonable copy of the others where have seen here, and takes 12" blades and 52" cutting width.? As I recall my 2004 KF 700s has a 51" cutting
width.? At $949.00 + SST may be competitive.? I am getting too old to be an early adapter, but I'd like a better blade guard and dust collector.
I'd appreciate feedback.
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Shark Universal Overhead Guard Model S-12S
I received a message from Harvey doing an intro offer on their saw guard.? At first look, it appears to be a reasonable copy of the others where have seen here, and takes 12" blades and 52" cutting width.? As I recall my 2004 KF 700s has a 51" cutting width.? At $949.00 + SST may be competitive.? I am getting too old to be an early adapter, but I'd like a better blade guard and dust collector.
I'd appreciate feedback.
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i have the festool guide with holes but no festool router. i put blue tape on guide and router base a thin line on both for hole location reference. diligently referenced guide for every row and drilled.
everything went fine but i forgot about the replaceable 1/8¡± thick hardboard top when checking clamp compatibility (hole size and top thickness). glad my margin helped and rounding over the holes on the hardboard allows me to place clamps in.
paulk design is two 2x8 tables that can be joined. it did not want to commit that much space. i made a 4x4 with cabinet below and 2 side wings (2x4 each) to get to 4x8. i have used the wings couple of times but with k975 addition, i do not think they will get used again.
imran
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 11:05 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Barth workbench table top is 30mm thick. Laminating 3/4" and 1/2" 4x8 BB plywood with laminate sheet on the face and bottom would work, roughly $250 material cost. Using LR32, you can drill those holes with CNC precision.
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:48 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
When I used Joel's Barth table, I looked closely at the thickness of the top and it was 1-1/4" thick.? That's what I went off of.? I had a 3/4" melamine top before I made my MFT top that I have now and the melamine did not work very well.
While the Barth tables are nice, I wanted a larger table where I could put tall pantry or refrigerator cabinets on it and not have them hang off the ends and have plenty of room to work.?
What's even better is the fact I can raise or lower the table to a comfortable working height no matter what I'm working on and lower the table all the way down to just slide the cabinet off the table and onto a dolly or up to my truck beds height.? It's been a really good addition to my shop
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 07:00:57 AM PDT, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
top is 3/4¡± prefinished maple used for cabinets. i am more concerned with depth. dogs are commonly used on thick top benches. while a low profile dog will definitely work on my top i am just not sure if clamp would.
good to have this info. i can always glue another layer.
imran On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
it depends on what the top is made of and just how much pressure you exert on the clamp.. If the top is MDF, or melamine probably not.? My top is double layer of 13 ply Baltic birch so it has the "mass" to keep from distorting the hole when clamping
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 08:20:07 PM PDT, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy and James,
i am using these
i wonder if the dog style (like you are showing) will work with only 3/4¡± thick top. i could not find that info on the bessey website.
any ideas?
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu < james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Just sayin :)....(see attached photo)
Randy, you accomplished the same at a 10th the cost. My day started out pretty good but now...
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Re: Festool back at Rockler
Randy,
Well it is German product, so if Barth had 50% off on the Barth 500 table, I would place?my order now :)
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:51 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
I agree 110% I made my table for around $1100.? Found the lift table for $600 and added the wheels and the Paulk/MFT top for about another $300
I personally think a Barth table should be no more than maybe $3,000 tops
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 06:19:28 AM PDT, James Zhu < james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Randy,
Yes, Barth products are clearly overpriced. They have to be super nice for such a ridiculous price for a non-rocket science product. I think Barth still can make a decent profit even cutting the price in half.
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 9:02 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
James... that's why I got the bBessey hold down clamp from Zoro and the adapter..way cheaper than that Barth Bessey hold down clamp. I can buy 2 of the clamps off of Zoro and the adapters for less than 1 of the Barth Bessey clamps
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 05:46:41 AM PDT, James Zhu < james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Compared to the Barth price, $120 for a Bessey custom made hold down clamp, Festool price is very reasonable :)
James On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:30 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: it has been sometime now that Rockler is selling festool again. i had heard from a person working at the store that festool walked away due to rockler not adhering to the pricing agreement. apparently they have mended the relationship.
imran
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Barth workbench table top is 30mm thick. Laminating 3/4" and 1/2" 4x8 BB plywood with laminate sheet on the face and bottom would work, roughly $250 material cost. Using LR32, you can drill those holes with CNC precision.
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:48 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
When I used Joel's Barth table, I looked closely at the thickness of the top and it was 1-1/4" thick.? That's what I went off of.? I had a 3/4" melamine top before I made my MFT top that I have now and the melamine did not work very well.
While the Barth tables are nice, I wanted a larger table where I could put tall pantry or refrigerator cabinets on it and not have them hang off the ends and have plenty of room to work.?
What's even better is the fact I can raise or lower the table to a comfortable working height no matter what I'm working on and lower the table all the way down to just slide the cabinet off the table and onto a dolly or up to my truck beds height.? It's been a really good addition to my shop
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 07:00:57 AM PDT, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
top is 3/4¡± prefinished maple used for cabinets. i am more concerned with depth. dogs are commonly used on thick top benches. while a low profile dog will definitely work on my top i am just not sure if clamp would.
good to have this info. i can always glue another layer.
imran On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
it depends on what the top is made of and just how much pressure you exert on the clamp.. If the top is MDF, or melamine probably not.? My top is double layer of 13 ply Baltic birch so it has the "mass" to keep from distorting the hole when clamping
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 08:20:07 PM PDT, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy and James,
i am using these
i wonder if the dog style (like you are showing) will work with only 3/4¡± thick top. i could not find that info on the bessey website.
any ideas?
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu < james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Randy,
what you have was/is my plan but so far i have not found an articulating table in my budget. there is also lack of space. i will need to find space for what i store in the cabinet below the top.
imran
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote: ?
When I used Joel's Barth table, I looked closely at the thickness of the top and it was 1-1/4" thick.? That's what I went off of.? I had a 3/4" melamine top before I made my MFT top that I have now and the melamine did not work very well.
While the Barth tables are nice, I wanted a larger table where I could put tall pantry or refrigerator cabinets on it and not have them hang off the ends and have plenty of room to work.?
What's even better is the fact I can raise or lower the table to a comfortable working height no matter what I'm working on and lower the table all the way down to just slide the cabinet off the table and onto a dolly or up to my truck beds height.? It's been a really good addition to my shop
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 07:00:57 AM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
top is 3/4¡± prefinished maple used for cabinets. i am more concerned with depth. dogs are commonly used on thick top benches. while a low profile dog will definitely work on my top i am just not sure if clamp would.
good to have this info. i can always glue another layer.
imran
On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
it depends on what the top is made of and just how much pressure you exert on the clamp.. If the top is MDF, or melamine probably not.? My top is double layer of 13 ply Baltic birch so it has the "mass" to keep from distorting the hole when clamping
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 08:20:07 PM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Randy and James,
i am using these
i wonder if the dog style (like you are showing) will work with only 3/4¡± thick top. i could not find that info on the bessey website.
any ideas?
imran
On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
<image0.jpeg>
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Re: vf formula dust collector from SCM
bill,
when i got it (used) there was dust on the clean side. i completely removed and replaced old gasket. i definitely had drop in suction prompting me to check and found filter plugged. so i adjusted brushes, let¡¯s see what happens.
others have mentioned that the filter material has been improved. that is my next step.
imran
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?Interesting,
Now the RL are quoted as 0.1 according to Felder documentation. Also the "new", current version, RL160 and RL200 have automating cleaning of the filter as an option. I am wondering how it is working as those models do not use the same filters as the 250 and up.
I do have the RL140 and the filter is a thick box, 6 to 8 inches thick, bolted to a metal frame. This is not the flimsy filter you have on a RL125/RL160. Definitively no issue with dust passing on the sides so far. For the big chips, some are left on the edge of the filter, and it seems that the suction is not affected by those big chips. When I change the bag, I use a HEPA vacuum to get rid of the dust/chips laying on the edge. Also I am not a production shop, so 5 minutes playing with the cleaning handle at the end of the day seemed to work in my case.
Bill
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Re: Festool back at Rockler
I agree 110% I made my table for around $1100.? Found the lift table for $600 and added the wheels and the Paulk/MFT top for about another $300
I personally think a Barth table should be no more than maybe $3,000 tops
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 06:19:28 AM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Randy,
Yes, Barth products are clearly overpriced. They have to be super nice for such a ridiculous price for a non-rocket science product. I think Barth still can make a decent profit even cutting the price in half.
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 9:02 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
James... that's why I got the bBessey hold down clamp from Zoro and the adapter..way cheaper than that Barth Bessey hold down clamp. I can buy 2 of the clamps off of Zoro and the adapters for less than 1 of the Barth Bessey clamps
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 05:46:41 AM PDT, James Zhu < james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Compared to the Barth price, $120 for a Bessey custom made hold down clamp, Festool price is very reasonable :)
James On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:30 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: it has been sometime now that Rockler is selling festool again. i had heard from a person working at the store that festool walked away due to rockler not adhering to the pricing agreement. apparently they have mended the relationship.
imran
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When I used Joel's Barth table, I looked closely at the thickness of the top and it was 1-1/4" thick.? That's what I went off of.? I had a 3/4" melamine top before I made my MFT top that I have now and the melamine did not work very well.
While the Barth tables are nice, I wanted a larger table where I could put tall pantry or refrigerator cabinets on it and not have them hang off the ends and have plenty of room to work.?
What's even better is the fact I can raise or lower the table to a comfortable working height no matter what I'm working on and lower the table all the way down to just slide the cabinet off the table and onto a dolly or up to my truck beds height.? It's been a really good addition to my shop
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 07:00:57 AM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
top is 3/4¡± prefinished maple used for cabinets. i am more concerned with depth. dogs are commonly used on thick top benches. while a low profile dog will definitely work on my top i am just not sure if clamp would.
good to have this info. i can always glue another layer.
imran
On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote: ?
it depends on what the top is made of and just how much pressure you exert on the clamp.. If the top is MDF, or melamine probably not.? My top is double layer of 13 ply Baltic birch so it has the "mass" to keep from distorting the hole when clamping
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 08:20:07 PM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Randy and James,
i am using these
i wonder if the dog style (like you are showing) will work with only 3/4¡± thick top. i could not find that info on the bessey website.
any ideas?
imran
On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
<image0.jpeg>
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Re: vf formula dust collector from SCM
Interesting,
Now the RL are quoted as 0.1 according to Felder documentation. Also the "new", current version, RL160 and RL200 have automating cleaning of the filter as an option. I am wondering how it is working as those models do not use the same filters as the 250 and up.
I do have the RL140 and the filter is a thick box, 6 to 8 inches thick, bolted to a metal frame. This is not the flimsy filter you have on a RL125/RL160. Definitively no issue with dust passing on the sides so far. For the big chips, some are left on the edge of the filter, and it seems that the suction is not affected by those big chips. When I change the bag, I use a HEPA vacuum to get rid of the dust/chips laying on the edge. Also I am not a production shop, so 5 minutes playing with the cleaning handle at the end of the day seemed to work in my case.
Bill
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Re: vf formula dust collector from SCM
RL125/160 from 2003 were rated at 0.2mg/m3 so on paper SCM is at 0.1. not sure if newer RLs have improved spec. if you want to compare performance data see below for RL125/160 below, again from 2003. i am not thrilled with RL125 as filter gets clogged and looses suction. i have cleaned it and raised brushes to spec level (10mm) overlap. it makes brushing hard and will see if it helps. i think a barrier (pre filter) that does not attract chips and keep chip away from pleats will help. i see SCM filter has a metal screen, not sure though if it is in clean or dirty side.
imran
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?Has anyone heard about those DC from SCM and can shed some light.
From the documentation, it appears a nederman design enclosed from model 160 and up.
Thanks,
Bill
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top is 3/4¡± prefinished maple used for cabinets. i am more concerned with depth. dogs are commonly used on thick top benches. while a low profile dog will definitely work on my top i am just not sure if clamp would.
good to have this info. i can always glue another layer.
imran
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote: ?
it depends on what the top is made of and just how much pressure you exert on the clamp.. If the top is MDF, or melamine probably not.? My top is double layer of 13 ply Baltic birch so it has the "mass" to keep from distorting the hole when clamping
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 08:20:07 PM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Randy and James,
i am using these
i wonder if the dog style (like you are showing) will work with only 3/4¡± thick top. i could not find that info on the bessey website.
any ideas?
imran
On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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vf formula dust collector from SCM
Has anyone heard about those DC from SCM and can shed some light.
From the documentation, it appears a nederman design enclosed from model 160 and up.
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: Festool back at Rockler
Randy,
Yes, Barth products are clearly overpriced. They have to be super nice for such a ridiculous price for a non-rocket science product. I think Barth still can make a decent profit even cutting the price in half.
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 9:02 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
James... that's why I got the bBessey hold down clamp from Zoro and the adapter..way cheaper than that Barth Bessey hold down clamp. I can buy 2 of the clamps off of Zoro and the adapters for less than 1 of the Barth Bessey clamps
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 05:46:41 AM PDT, James Zhu < james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Compared to the Barth price, $120 for a Bessey custom made hold down clamp, Festool price is very reasonable :)
James On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:30 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: it has been sometime now that Rockler is selling festool again. i had heard from a person working at the store that festool walked away due to rockler not adhering to the pricing agreement. apparently they have mended the relationship.
imran
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Re: Festool back at Rockler
James... that's why I got the bBessey hold down clamp from Zoro and the adapter..way cheaper than that Barth Bessey hold down clamp. I can buy 2 of the clamps off of Zoro and the adapters for less than 1 of the Barth Bessey clamps
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 05:46:41 AM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Compared to the Barth price, $120 for a Bessey custom made hold down clamp, Festool price is very reasonable :)
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:30 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: it has been sometime now that Rockler is selling festool again. i had heard from a person working at the store that festool walked away due to rockler not adhering to the pricing agreement. apparently they have mended the relationship.
imran
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it depends on what the top is made of and just how much pressure you exert on the clamp.. If the top is MDF, or melamine probably not.? My top is double layer of 13 ply Baltic birch so it has the "mass" to keep from distorting the hole when clamping
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 08:20:07 PM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Randy and James,
i am using these
i wonder if the dog style (like you are showing) will work with only 3/4¡± thick top. i could not find that info on the bessey website.
any ideas?
imran
On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote: ?
Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Re: Festool back at Rockler
Compared to the Barth price, $120 for a Bessey custom made hold down clamp, Festool price is very reasonable :)
James
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:30 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: it has been sometime now that Rockler is selling festool again. i had heard from a person working at the store that festool walked away due to rockler not adhering to the pricing agreement. apparently they have mended the relationship.
imran
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imran
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