it has been sometime now that Rockler is selling festool again. i had heard from a person working at the store that festool walked away due to rockler not adhering to the pricing agreement. apparently they have mended the relationship.
imran
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Re: Shop Tour - One added consideration
A wonderful shop, but if you are anywhere near an aircraft landing field, there may be an added precaution.? I friend of mine collected old rusty, obsolete equipment to which he promised his family that he would stop when there was enough machinery concentrated in one place to perturbate cockpit magnetic declination instruments on aircraft using a nearby field well before it caused an incident.?
Just a cautionary tale, even if you still have more open room in your wonderful shop ;-).
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Randy and James,
i am using these
i wonder if the dog style (like you are showing) will work with only 3/4¡± thick top. i could not find that info on the bessey website.
any ideas?
imran
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On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote: ?
Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Hi Imran..
I bought the Bessey hold down clamps off of Zoro they are # TW16-20-10-2K.? The adapters are from Lehigh valley abrasives and are part #?
Bessey TW16AW20 - Table Clamp Accessory, Woodworking 20mm Bench Dog Adaptor, 16mm
SKU: BSYTW16AW20
If you need the 3/4"size I have 2 that I no longer need since I went with 20mm holes
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 07:36:24 PM PDT, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Iman,
Barth table uses hold down clamp, fast forward to 3:08 in the following youtube video, you can see the hold down clamp which is different from the Festool clamp, obviously it is faster and easier to use than Festool clamp :)
You can get the hold down clamp, but I am not sure where to get the adapter?
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:13 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Randy,
which bessey hold down do you use? i have built similar table. i use festool clamps but with only 3/4¡± thick top i still needed to use a round over bit on 3/4¡± holes to get the clamps to fit.
imran
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On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote: ?
I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz <jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Peter Millard figured out a way to drill the holes using LR32 without a template,?pretty ingenious and fast.
James
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 8:45 PM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz < jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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I forgot to mention.. this entire lift table and paulk/mft top probably cost me around $1,000 for everything.? The Bessey hold downs, I found on Zoro for $29.00 each and the 20mm adapters I found online for $9.99 each.. a far cry from the $125 each from Barth?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM PDT, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz <jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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yes..It's 2 layers of 3/4" Russian Baltic birch? with 13 plies each and a light gray plastic laminate, and yep..I used the woodpeckers jig to route 300 holes!! took me quite a long time, but it worked..
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM PDT, Joe Kurtz <jkurtz505@...> wrote:
Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Very nice, Randy! It looks great! Is that a double layer of Baltic birch laminated with white melamine as the top? Did you drill the holes?
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Those Barth tables are super nice.? I have worked on one that Joel has, But the cost is seriously prohibitive for me.. So.. what I did was I found myself a 48" wide by 93" long motorcycle lift table and converted it to my own workbench complete with a Paulk type top, with 300 - 20mm holes for clamping down whatever I need to clamp and installed a vintage USA made patternmakers vice on the end.. What's really nice is the cubbyholes that allow for me to store things for an easy reach.? So far it's been perfect.? Only thing I don't have is the vacuum clamps, which I can install at a later date.? And yes, I'm very aware of the mess..haha..that's production for ya
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 02:35:27 PM PDT, Kerryj_smith <kerry@...> wrote:
I have the RP4001 which came with a base configuration of clamping units, and then I added on to provide as much utility as I felt I needed upon ordering the equipment. Subsequent to receiving the unit, I ordered a few more items so I was able to spread the pain out a bit. I agree 100% with Lucky's assessment as to the value and rough pricing of this kind of unit.??
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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I have the RP4001 which came with a base configuration of clamping units, and then I added on to provide as much utility as I felt I needed upon ordering the equipment. Subsequent to receiving the unit, I ordered a few more items so I was able to spread the pain out a bit. I agree 100% with Lucky's assessment as to the value and rough pricing of this kind of unit.??
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Thanks for the tour. ?I wish the Multipress had an attachment that would convert it to a FF clamping table with pneumatic clamps that apply pressure towards the perforated top on models with that option. ?
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David:
I have the RP3001, with extra hydraulics (6 in total), the cabinet jaws (4 sets), the lateral press unit (1 in total), and the hold down units (2 in total) and yes the Barth is staggeringly expensive by most peeps¡¯ measure of value. The amount climbs to $20k USD very quickly. I looked into direct freight from Germany to Australia (from Barth), and I looked into using the local Martin rep to get me one. And I compared these to Rangate¡¯s price. Greg gave me the best price. Simple as that.
You reiterated Anthony¡¯s question with ¡°valuable addition for the price¡±? That is such a difficult question to answer for all people. Here are my observations:
1. I¡¯ve wanted a press for a long time but baulked at the price. It is just too much money for what you get. The frame itself is nothing special and any competent steel worker could make one. It¡¯s the ¡°goodies" that go with the steel frame that make the Barth special.
2. The press allows me to work at a comfortable level. As I get older this becomes more valuable. Yes, I can clamp on work benches, but often my clamping jobs are either too large or too numerous to fit on my benches, and I¡¯m inevitably clamping on the floor. I¡¯m sick of fighting with large sash and pipe clamps on the floor, and then tripping over them. I¡¯m also sick of muscling large and heavy table tops off the floor when I have a Fat 300 which easily moves around tops which remain at bench level.
3. An unexpected perk of the press is tied to the power of the hydraulic units. When laminating lots of material together, I was previously limited to such and such a width, based on whether the material being clamped was perfectly straight or slightly bowed. The hydraulic clamps have clamping power far beyond any of my manual clamps.
4. Another unexpected perk is that the Barth is able to perform narrow face laminations with ease, which is simply much more convenient to me than using the VacuPress. John Ferandin who is on this forum is a door maker and has long advocated the use of cauls to clamp door parts. I¡¯ve done just that with great success (thanks John), and I believe that with the cabinet jaws, I will be able to clamp larger/wider furniture parts. I haven¡¯t tried out that option yet.
Is the Barth Press indispensable? Absolutely not. Most of us get along just fine without one. Is it value for money? That¡¯s a harder question to ask. I¡¯ve finally ¡ª after many years of lust ¡ª have bought one and I love mine.
Lucky
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I looked at Rangate.? Wow!? Am I seeing it correctly? $8,400 for the RPG2550 and that just gets you the powder-coated hollow?steel frame?? That sure is some expensive tubing.
Looking at the option prices I have to wonder how much a nicely equipped multipress would cost...so back to Anthony's question.? Valuable addition for the price? Thanks, Dave Davies On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 10:56 AM Anthony Quesada < tonymiga2@...> wrote: This is such a treat to see, thank you for sharing.? I aspire to have such a beautiful and thoughtful space.?
You mentioned trepidation before buying your barth clamping unit. Has that been a valuable addition??
Thank again
anthony?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Awesome tour! Wouldn¡¯t mind more in-depth time on each tool. Specifically, ive never seen someone With that Barth table. I¡¯ve only watched a few promotional videos from Barth, but it looks absolutely amazing. Isn¡¯t that clamp setup $10,000+?
Same for the Griggio planer. Other than Marlowe selling one, I¡¯ve never seen the model before.?
Finally, when you closed with ¡°it might be hard to believe, but I don¡¯t do this for a living¡±, that made all the sense in the world to me. Haha I kept asking myself, ¡°what does this guy make and sell that he¡¯s a one man shop with this kit???¡±?
Patrick
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 12:37 PM Shinta Wakahisa via <vnh84= [email protected]> wrote: Kerry,
This is a treat!? Thank you for sharing.? I think you said your shop is 3600 sq ft.? It feels smaller than that in the video.? I have plan to build a 3000 sq ft shop in the future and think that such space is too big for me.? Looking at your video, I may have to modify my plan!?
SW?
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I looked at Rangate.? Wow!? Am I seeing it correctly? $8,400 for the RPG2550 and that just gets you the powder-coated hollow?steel frame?? That sure is some expensive tubing.
Looking at the option prices I have to wonder how much a nicely equipped multipress would cost...so back to Anthony's question.? Valuable addition for the price? Thanks, Dave Davies
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 10:56 AM Anthony Quesada < tonymiga2@...> wrote: This is such a treat to see, thank you for sharing.? I aspire to have such a beautiful and thoughtful space.?
You mentioned trepidation before buying your barth clamping unit. Has that been a valuable addition??
Thank again
anthony?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: 4" hose for overhead guard
Just follow the logic to keep the line as big as possible up to the machine. Starting 6 from the DC (RL140), I find that 5 and 4 match the best the 6 SQFT.? 5 and 3 reduce the area with a 6 main. No measurement at all, just that it sucks and the dylos is happy for through cuts.
Your case might be different.
Bill
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Re: 4" hose for overhead guard
Increasing or decreasing hose size for the overhead won't change the overall cfm of the impeller, it will just balance the pressure between the lines.? If the overhead? pulls more cfm, the underneath line will pull less unless the impeller is capable of higher
cfm than the total of the two lines under pressure.? Since it is hard to judge what will work best, I'd run slightly larger lines with blast gates and adjust flow between the two lines until you hit the sweet spot that works with your impeller and doesn't
leave dust in the line.? An impeller needing 5 hp to max out will handle two larger lines but any impeller with less hp spinning it will be the balancing act.? You might also find that the restriction from the hood itself makes a swap in the line diameter
less noticeable than you would expect.? Dave
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I did some measurements with a very expensive airflow meter I borrowed from work. Going to a 4¡± hose with 4¡± fitting definitely increases the airflow, not sure if I measured the 4¡± hose connected the the 3¡± connector and if it made a difference,
it does lower the cfm on the lower port but with the 800-950 cfm i have it has not been an issue if anything there is too much in the overhead as strips can get sucked up.?
I have a 6¡± main going to a 5¡± drop to a wye, 4¡± to the overhead and 5¡± to the saw body which of course gets choked to 4¡± through the saw to the port below the blade.?
I will see if I wrote anything down tonight and try to confirm some numbers, but it is very subjective as it depends on where the measurements are taken, elevation, temp ect, the meter I used accounts for the latter and probably doesn¡¯t matter much anyways?
On Oct 29, 2020, at 11:13 AM, michael@... wrote:
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I got interested in everyones 4" connections to the overhead guard in this thread:
/g/felderownersgroup/topic/77872277#110860
I might do this as well, but I do wonder how you all arrived at this solution. I haven't yet had any trouble collecting dust in my overhead guard with a 3" hose and the original adapter.
Q1: Is the suction from above more important than the suction from under the table?
Q2: Keeping the air at speed in one 4" and 5" hose (as I'm using under the table) might be hard for me with just a Felder AF14 dust collector. Do you all have enough air flow to use 4"+5" hoses effectively at the same time? In my 3"+5" setup I get approx 22
m/s in the larger hose (equals 4330 feet/min), which I think is enough.
Q3: If Q1=Yes and Q2=No, it seems reasonable to decrease the hose diameter for the hose under the table. Maybe use 4"+4"?
Thanks
//Michael
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Kerry,
This is a treat!? Thank you for sharing.? I think you said your shop is 3600 sq ft.? It feels smaller than that in the video.? I have plan to build a 3000 sq ft shop in the future and think that such space is too big for me.? Looking at your video, I may have to modify my plan!?
SW?
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Great shop! Well organized and roomy...
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On Oct 28, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Kerryj_smith < kerry@...> wrote:
Well, I got the shop as clean as it is going to get for the next several months so I thought I shoot a tour for a client. Here's a link to the video for those who are interested.
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Gotham Woodworks
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