Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Hi Sang,? Thanks for the info, could have sworn it was different on the previous machine but I must have been mistaken, not really a big deal.
I know I have complained about this planer in the past but the issues were real and now that Felder took care of the issue, stepped up and owned it the replacement has been fantastic.
I am pretty amazed at the cut quality and the ability to take 0.1mm off. I just recently furnished a Roubo bench and ran a 94” x 12” x 4” maple top through the jointer and planer, honestly I was worried I was going to blow it because of the weight of the top but all went well and no snipe at all from the jointer, I figured the bigger problem would come with the planer due to the smaller bed and the feed rollers, as long as I lifted towards the end of the cut no snipe and there was no snipe on the infeed part of the board.
I am getting some snipe from the planer on the tail end of the board sometimes but seems pretty random, thick/thin boards, wide/narrow. One thing I have noticed is that it seems to occur on a heavy cut ~2-3mm and not light ~1-.5mm also on a wider board maybe 5” or wider it can be more deep on one side than another. But again it’s not all the time.?
May just be the nature of the beast with no real pressure bar which is lacking on these combo machines (not just Felder). I have played with the feed rollers some which hasn’t seem to make a difference but have noticed that bowed wood can cause snipe where as if the bow is up snipe and then run it with the bow towards the table no snipe, of course this makes since though as when running it up as soon as it passes the infeed roller the end pops up back in the air and receives more of a cut.?
I think I am rambling on now...must have been surprise encounter with an adult Black ? last night on my way out of the shop...?
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Re: vacuum clamp to hold down parts for sanding/routing works well
I believe the newer Martin models do have vac hold downs on the slider.?
Patrick
Let’s see some pics of the pods close up. I’d love to make some of those. I’ve always thought about splurging on the festool set but always have better things to buy.?
This is just a wild thought but wonder if there would be a way to incorporate them into a slider outrigger fence. Kinda like how some CNC machines have the vac hold downs on the tables.?
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Re: vacuum clamp to hold down parts for sanding/routing works well
Let’s see some pics of the pods close up. I’d love to make some of those. I’ve always thought about splurging on the festool set but always have better things to buy.?
This is just a wild thought but wonder if there would be a way to incorporate them into a slider outrigger fence. Kinda like how some CNC machines have the vac hold downs on the tables.?
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Re: vacuum clamp to hold down parts for sanding/routing works well
Marty,
Thanks for taking the time to do the short videos and providing the details of the build.
It has been on my list of things and I may get to it in a yr of so ?. I already have the VacuPress pump.
I am sure I will ping you when I get there.
Imran
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 7:34 PM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: ? I made some vacuum clamps over the winter and I really like them.? It only takes me about 3 seconds to change from one part to another.?
Normally when I sand I would hold the parts with one hand while sanding/routing with the other hand.? Or, I might secure the work piece between bench dogs with a vice.? Or I might clamp the part to the table, but I would have to unclamp/reclamp to get to the entire edge/surface.? All these methods take more time than using a vacuum clamp.?And the clamp can mar the wood.? ?
Here are some short videos showing a few setups..??
Materials:? I used 2" alum pipe and these clamps:
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3/4" thick HDPE plastic was used to make various shapes of vacuum fixtures (pods).? I purchased the plastic from a local source who had some small cutoffs. .? Some pods have foam on both sides with a through hole so the pod vacuum clamps to the table and to the material.? Some pods were screwed to a plate with a steel sleeve welded to it so the sleeve could be mounted on top of the alum pipe.? I used 1/4" tubing, high density foam for gasket material, foot pedal and check vales from joewoodworker.com.? I bought other quick disconnect fittings from amazon.? they aren't the best quality though.? I also bought a used vacuum pump but you could use a venturi vacuum pump with your air compressor.
BTW - I got the idea from the Barth vakuusyst 3.15.? It is really nice but cost over $2.3K.???
Enjoy!
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G330 Egebander documentation
Hello there,
I?ve bought a 2014 Felder G 330 edgebander. Does anyone have the operator?s manual or a link where I can find it.?
I would like to know the service intervals, oil to use, things to watch, etc...
Thanks in advance.
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
My 2019 AD941 is the same, FWIW.?
Side note: After about 6 months of just sitting there in my shop, I finally turned it on yesterday and did some planing - what a nice machine! I was using a little 13" Delta bench top before so not in the same class, but I was able to take 5 thousands off in a finish pass on two pieces and they were perfectly matched. I haven't checked anything on the jointer tables but my plan is to run a few pieces and if they're square and flat, I'm not messin' with it...
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I will soon again be making plantation shutters. ?Around 15-17 years ago, I made them. ?There was a very good how-to article in American Woodworker at the time. ?I still have it. ?I ended up going to a supplier who had the 3 1/2 inch louvers already made, and I plan to use pre-made louvers again even though I have a shaper. ?They will be painted white. ?If I was going to have a very nice natural wood finish, then that would be different.
What was most involved was making the jigs. ?One jig held the louvers so a hole could made for the louver pins (floor model drill press, rare time the table was towards the floor), another jig held the louvers and a Senco staple gun so staples could be placed in the louvers, and another jig held a staple gun and the louvers and the tilt rod so that the tilt rod could be connected to the louvers. ?Once the jigs were made, the work pieces would just be DeStaco clamped to the jig, the staple gun was held in place set to drive the staple at the proper depth, and you just fired the staple. ?Nice reward for all of the effort of making the jigs. ?I still have the jigs, but will use the Rockler jig and a hand held drill for the holes for the louver pins.
I guess Rockler sells metal connectors, but I think the staples are nicer. ?Personal opinion.
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Alex, no plans to mess with it.
Mac, thought about that as my scm was that way but the guard on the AD941 is integrated into that piece, it’s really not that big of a deal?
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 2:46 PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? If it bothers you take it off and lift the tables individually. Designing and building for 47 years On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote:
? Hey Mark,
You mentioned it is working just great, and you don’t want to mess up a good thing. ?My recommendation is Take your own advice. The old adage applies here “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. LOL
Alex On Jun 20, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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vacuum clamp to hold down parts for sanding/routing works well
I made some vacuum clamps over the winter and I really like them.? It only takes me about 3 seconds to change from one part to another.?
Normally when I sand I would hold the parts with one hand while sanding/routing with the other hand.? Or, I might secure the work piece between bench dogs with a vice.? Or I might clamp the part to the table, but I would have to unclamp/reclamp to get to the entire edge/surface.? All these methods take more time than using a vacuum clamp.?And the clamp can mar the wood.? ?
Here are some short videos showing a few setups..??
Materials:? I used 2" alum pipe and these clamps:
??
3/4" thick HDPE plastic was used to make various shapes of vacuum fixtures (pods).? I purchased the plastic from a local source who had some small cutoffs. .? Some pods have foam on both sides with a through hole so the pod vacuum clamps to the table and to the material.? Some pods were screwed to a plate with a steel sleeve welded to it so the sleeve could be mounted on top of the alum pipe.? I used 1/4" tubing, high density foam for gasket material, foot pedal and check vales from joewoodworker.com.? I bought other quick disconnect fittings from amazon.? they aren't the best quality though.? I also bought a used vacuum pump but you could use a venturi vacuum pump with your air compressor.
BTW - I got the idea from the Barth vakuusyst 3.15.? It is really nice but cost over $2.3K.???
Enjoy!
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
If it bothers you take it off and lift the tables individually. Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote:
? Hey Mark,
You mentioned it is working just great, and you don’t want to mess up a good thing. ?My recommendation is Take your own advice. The old adage applies here “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. LOL
Alex On Jun 20, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Hey Mark,
You mentioned it is working just great, and you don’t want to mess up a good thing. ?My recommendation is Take your own advice. The old adage applies here “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. LOL
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
I have a 2007 CF741. ?It is a great machine and it has definitely upped my woodworking. ?What do I like? ?The accuracy. ?Mac’s clamps. ?Brian’s parallel guides. Mine is a 741 professional. ?What do I wish I had? ?If I had the space, separates. ?A longer slider. The rip/jointer fence is a bit flimsy.
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Anyone have a newer CF 741? Was looking for some reviews on one.? for those who may own one what are the likes and dislikes?
would you buy it again? Watched the hot tub build video the other day thought it was really versatile with being able to use a power feeder on the shaper, saw and jointer. Instead of needing 3 or not even having the capability of it.?
I know sometimes Change over time could be a pain and could be a dislike but as a hobbiest it’s a give and take situation.?
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
I ask because I have a new AD941 and it’s as you describe.? Bill Belanger?
Bill, it’s not a big deal I just keep banging the wood against it as I pull it off the outfeed on the wider stuff occasionally. Just never noticed it before on the other jointer and If that is the design I can live with it.?
At work when the validation team logs a bug against a so called non-conformance issue that isn’t ?In triage mtg I just mark it “as designed” and close it - so thats what this is I suppose... On Jun 20, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Why do you want it level Mark?
Bill Belanger? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Bill, it’s not a big deal I just keep banging the wood against it as I pull it off the outfeed on the wider stuff occasionally. Just never noticed it before on the other jointer and If that is the design I can live with it.?
At work when the validation team logs a bug against a so called non-conformance issue that isn’t ?In triage mtg I just mark it “as designed” and close it - so thats what this is I suppose...
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Why do you want it level Mark?
Bill Belanger? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
Hi Mr Souter, yes, I have the new 741, have the silent cutter head and auto rise and fall on the thicknesser. In addition I bought the F38 feeder for the spindle and three cast iron extension tables for the planer, will grab one more when they get more stock. In my workshop I also have a Powermatic 500mm thicknesser so in effect I dont have to change from planer to thicknesser. The extensions add an additional meter to the planer length which is idea for long planks. As the machine is only a couple weeks old I have not used the saw or the spindle yet. So far have not found any issues I would be critical of. The machine is well made and does what they say it will. Its a lovely machine to own and use, apart from which there are loads of accessories that can make it even more streamlined! I hope this helps in some small way!
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Re: Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
As Michael said there is a lot of info here on this but I would only add the that I started with their saw shaper and then I added a jointer planer the jointer planer combo is a lot more palatable to me as a hobbyist then a saw shaper. Saw is such a common tool that you want it available. Shaper setup is usually time consuming. Most cutter I have cannot be lowered so have to be removed. If you have a second saw then it might work better. Of course if you do not have space it is a moot point.
Imran
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Cjsouter@... wrote: ? Anyone have a newer CF 741? Was looking for some reviews on one.?
for those who may own one what are the likes and dislikes?
would you buy it again? Watched the hot tub build video the other day thought it was really versatile with being able to use a power feeder on the shaper, saw and jointer. Instead of needing 3 or not even having the capability of it.?
I know sometimes Change over time could be a pain and could be a dislike but as a hobbiest it’s a give and take situation.?
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Re: Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
I do. There’s a lot posted on the forums and to save the back and forth, you can reach out direct to me.
Michael Tagge
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Anyone have a newer CF 741? Was looking for some reviews on one.?
for those who may own one what are the likes and dislikes?
would you buy it again? Watched the hot tub build video the other day thought it was really versatile with being able to use a power feeder on the shaper, saw and jointer. Instead of needing 3 or not even having the capability of it.?
I know sometimes Change over time could be a pain and could be a dislike but as a hobbiest it’s a give and take situation.?
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Why do you want it level Mark?
Bill Belanger?
I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
Anyone have a newer CF 741? Was looking for some reviews on one.?
for those who may own one what are the likes and dislikes?
would you buy it again? Watched the hot tub build video the other day thought it was really versatile with being able to use a power feeder on the shaper, saw and jointer. Instead of needing 3 or not even having the capability of it.?
I know sometimes Change over time could be a pain and could be a dislike but as a hobbiest it’s a give and take situation.?
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Mark,
Everyone knows it is called Verbindungsbkech geschweisst, welded connecting plate ?
On the outfeed table of my Dual51, it is also higher. It is nearly flush (still higher) near blade and gets higher. Pic shows diff at the end of the connecting plate.
I am not sure but it appears it can be adjusted without affecting alignment. It has not been an issue for me and I am surprised that even my OCD tendencies are quite unperturbed, so I guess, I will not be adjusting anything.
Imran
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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