Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
I ask because I have a new AD941 and it’s as you describe.? Bill Belanger?
Bill, it’s not a big deal I just keep banging the wood against it as I pull it off the outfeed on the wider stuff occasionally. Just never noticed it before on the other jointer and If that is the design I can live with it.?
At work when the validation team logs a bug against a so called non-conformance issue that isn’t ?In triage mtg I just mark it “as designed” and close it - so thats what this is I suppose... On Jun 20, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Why do you want it level Mark?
Bill Belanger? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Bill, it’s not a big deal I just keep banging the wood against it as I pull it off the outfeed on the wider stuff occasionally. Just never noticed it before on the other jointer and If that is the design I can live with it.?
At work when the validation team logs a bug against a so called non-conformance issue that isn’t ?In triage mtg I just mark it “as designed” and close it - so thats what this is I suppose...
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Why do you want it level Mark?
Bill Belanger? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
Hi Mr Souter, yes, I have the new 741, have the silent cutter head and auto rise and fall on the thicknesser. In addition I bought the F38 feeder for the spindle and three cast iron extension tables for the planer, will grab one more when they get more stock. In my workshop I also have a Powermatic 500mm thicknesser so in effect I dont have to change from planer to thicknesser. The extensions add an additional meter to the planer length which is idea for long planks. As the machine is only a couple weeks old I have not used the saw or the spindle yet. So far have not found any issues I would be critical of. The machine is well made and does what they say it will. Its a lovely machine to own and use, apart from which there are loads of accessories that can make it even more streamlined! I hope this helps in some small way!
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Re: Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
As Michael said there is a lot of info here on this but I would only add the that I started with their saw shaper and then I added a jointer planer the jointer planer combo is a lot more palatable to me as a hobbyist then a saw shaper. Saw is such a common tool that you want it available. Shaper setup is usually time consuming. Most cutter I have cannot be lowered so have to be removed. If you have a second saw then it might work better. Of course if you do not have space it is a moot point.
Imran
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Cjsouter@... wrote: ? Anyone have a newer CF 741? Was looking for some reviews on one.?
for those who may own one what are the likes and dislikes?
would you buy it again? Watched the hot tub build video the other day thought it was really versatile with being able to use a power feeder on the shaper, saw and jointer. Instead of needing 3 or not even having the capability of it.?
I know sometimes Change over time could be a pain and could be a dislike but as a hobbiest it’s a give and take situation.?
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Re: Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
I do. There’s a lot posted on the forums and to save the back and forth, you can reach out direct to me.
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry @ Gmail.com no spaces
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Anyone have a newer CF 741? Was looking for some reviews on one.?
for those who may own one what are the likes and dislikes?
would you buy it again? Watched the hot tub build video the other day thought it was really versatile with being able to use a power feeder on the shaper, saw and jointer. Instead of needing 3 or not even having the capability of it.?
I know sometimes Change over time could be a pain and could be a dislike but as a hobbiest it’s a give and take situation.?
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Why do you want it level Mark?
Bill Belanger?
I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Anyone have a CF 741? Looking for a review
Anyone have a newer CF 741? Was looking for some reviews on one.?
for those who may own one what are the likes and dislikes?
would you buy it again? Watched the hot tub build video the other day thought it was really versatile with being able to use a power feeder on the shaper, saw and jointer. Instead of needing 3 or not even having the capability of it.?
I know sometimes Change over time could be a pain and could be a dislike but as a hobbiest it’s a give and take situation.?
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Mark,
Everyone knows it is called Verbindungsbkech geschweisst, welded connecting plate ?
On the outfeed table of my Dual51, it is also higher. It is nearly flush (still higher) near blade and gets higher. Pic shows diff at the end of the connecting plate.
I am not sure but it appears it can be adjusted without affecting alignment. It has not been an issue for me and I am surprised that even my OCD tendencies are quite unperturbed, so I guess, I will not be adjusting anything.
Imran
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Oh, right John I miss read your response...not enough espresso this morning...
Come to think of it I have only ever noticed it being annoying on the outfeed Regards, Mark
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Of course, Sorry my use of the word coplaner applies to when the tables are flipped up Maybe better to say , when the tables are in the up position and you sight down the top edge the infeed table was tilted back farther than the outfeed due to the position of the stops, the fascia attachment is independent of the table adjustment? Regards, Mark On Jun 20, 2020, at 8:50 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? You could only make it coplanar with the outfeed, because the infeed is adjustable and always lower than the outfeed. I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
Of course, Sorry my use of the word coplaner applies to when the tables are flipped up Maybe better to say , when the tables are in the up position and you sight down the top edge the infeed table was tilted back farther than the outfeed due to the position of the stops, the fascia attachment is independent of the table adjustment? Regards, Mark
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On Jun 20, 2020, at 8:50 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? You could only make it coplanar with the outfeed, because the infeed is adjustable and always lower than the outfeed. I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: AD941 front fascia adjustment
You could only make it coplanar with the outfeed, because the infeed is adjustable and always lower than the outfeed.
I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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AD941 front fascia adjustment
I didn’t know what else to call it so I am going with fascia, it should sit below the tables right? I never noticed catching that edge with timber on the first AD941 and on the replacement I am.?
I remember the tech having an issue for like an hour where after he adjusted the tables to near perfection every time he tightened down the facia (reinstalled and tightened in the planer position) it threw off the adjustment, when I was assisting him I noticed that the in-feed table when in the upright position was not coplanar with the outfeed, it was tilted back farther. Once we adjusted the stop so that the infeed and outfeed tables were coplanar and the fascia was reinstalled and tightened down it all worked perfect, so thinking that when the fascia was previously installed with the tables not coplanar it it locked them into an undesirable position.
So before i start fiddling with the fascia to adjust it below (if it is suppose to be that way) I wanted to check as everything is working beautiful and I don’t want to mess up a good thing...
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Re: Hammer/CF-531 Zero Clearance Insert
Thanks JP. It really looks nice.
Imran
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On Jun 19, 2020, at 9:22 PM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote: ?No I didn’t, I’ve been made aware more than once that the K500 Pro is a glorified Hammer K3 with an X-Roll table, so it fit just fine ?
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Re: Hammer/CF-531 Zero Clearance Insert
I have had no problem with the website. ?It’s a legit sight and I’ve been following Ramon on Instagram for several years.
James?
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Re: Hammer/CF-531 Zero Clearance Insert
I follow Ramon on Instagram and he posted the ZCI he made for his Hammer saw. ?He then decided to sell them. ?I had a few inserts left over from a C3-41 that I sold and ?they fit my CF-531 so I knew his ZCI would fit.
And yes I happily paid $65 - I actually bought two. ?I have a full time job that requires a significant amount of time away from home. ?The result is that I get limited time in the shop so for me it was worth the money. ?I can spend time working on other projects. ?
James
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Re: Hammer/CF-531 Zero Clearance Insert
No I didn’t, I’ve been made aware more than once that the K500 Pro is a glorified Hammer K3 with an X-Roll table, so it fit just fine ?
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Re: Hammer/CF-531 Zero Clearance Insert
Hi JP,
I saw he offers ZCI for K3. Did you contact them to find out if they make one for your saw or is it on website and I am not seeing it?
Imran?
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On Jun 19, 2020, at 6:39 PM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote: ?Thanks for the info, I order one for my K500 Pro this Wednesday and got it today and just finished installing it. Nice product from Ramon Valdez Furniture, think I will be ordering another one.?
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Re: Hammer/CF-531 Zero Clearance Insert
you paid $65? for that?
?I made a fixture for my router table ? and? a stack of some
blanks? and can crank 'em? out any time I need one.
I submit you can do the same and? you won't be paying that kind
of? $$ for a ZCI? ever again.
On 6/16/20 9:32 AM, fa18frog via
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Just finished installing a zero clearance insert from
ramonvaldezfinefurniture.com. ?It’s a significant improvement over
the factory insert. ?As you can see it adds a significant amount
of support to the left side of the blade. ?I will be purchasing
another insert for my dado set as the current Felder insert has
about a 1/16” to the left of the blade.
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Thanks for the info, I order one for my K500 Pro this Wednesday and got it today and just finished installing it. Nice product from Ramon Valdez Furniture, think I will be ordering another one.?
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Re: news slider table recommendations
These are good points. Indeed, figuring out how to hold down little stuff is a challenge, and I am re-purchasing a new saw to do some of the smaller partial-sheet work that you mention because some things are indeed much faster on a saw.
That said, even my CNC machine with a “prosumer-grade” vacuum table (Black Box Hurricane) has no problem with 1/3 of a sheet, and a full sheet obviously is very easy to align and hold down, so other than straight-line ripping very long boards, I think a short
slider will be fine for my work.
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You mention efficiency – the FOG is made up of people like you who are trying to make money in their work, as well as people like me who have more time than shop space and dink around for personal enjoyment or a side hussle. It’s fun to
get stories from the other side of the fence.
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I bought my router from a small cabinet shop that was upgrading to the next class up machine. They used it for cutting cabinet parts and a router is awesome for that – profile including toe kick and dados for four cabinet sides in one operation
with chip-free bottom and top edges. It’s also good for cutting spreaders and bits from a whole sheet if you need a bunch of them.
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I find I design very differently having the router – radiuses and curves start to appear and dress things up where if I had to do it with a band saw or hand-router template I just simply wouldn’t spend the time and my project would end
up rectangular. That said, after I briefly experimented with cutting dovetails on the CNC router, I went out and bout a Leigh D4R jig, so the router is definitely not the only tool to have in the shop.
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I second that CNC routers are awesome for cutting stuff - save one huge problem - fixturing. As in, holding down the parts to be cut. If you are cutting full sheets all the time on the CNC, it's a no-brainer. I even use it to manually code
cuts off the machine without using software, in fact that's what was used to make the perfectly square reference plywood that was used to calibrate square on the new KF700 when it was set up!? With numerous hold down methods it nevers fails that we find something
that stops an otherwise efficient path to project completion. The CNC is amazing for detail work and multiple steps in a single setup, but the setup costs can really ruin productivity also.?
But a word to the wise, the CNC is the right tool for many things, but not all, and the sheer efficiency of quick setups and referencing the parts to the tables is what caused us to buy this whole suite of Felder products a year AFTER we
bought the CNC. And I would do it all over again in a heartbeat with no reservations buying the new fully-loaded optioned?machines because the machines run like they are supposed to and inspire the confidence of those who use them. I've bought many used machines
that are great but require so much dickering to get right that they really ended up not being such great deals when it came time to figuring out the economics in an expensive commercial shop.
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Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
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