Re: news slider table recommendations
If you can¡¯t use the tire range of the slider you may not be able to access the blade as the slider has to be pushed fully to one end for access.
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First time poster, jumping in because I am in a similar situation.
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I've seen lots of advice to get the biggest slider you can fit.? That makes sense to me.? My question is exactly what you guys mean by "fit."
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It's a lot easier to find 10.5' sliders, but my workshop just can't accommodate that much sliding table travel.? I can do 8.5' with a bit to spare, but 10.5' is right out.? I can fit the machine itself, but I wouldn't be able to use the full travel.? I'd have to adjust the table stops, or rig something up if the stops aren't adjustable, to keep from slamming the table into the walls all the time.
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With that said, would you still recommend trying to find a 10.5' slider, or should I settle for less?
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Re: news slider table recommendations
Ah, I'd not considered changing blades.? That's a deal-breaker for sure.
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Re: news slider table recommendations
My garage is 21 feet long. I have the 9¡¯ table K400. It fits Mac¡¯s clamps, the outrigger fence and will cut an 8¡¯ sheet of plywood when I open the garage door. Living in southern Arizona that is almost never a problem. In Maine, it would be...
Bill Belanger?
You have to be able to move the sliding table to its extreme ends in both directions to change main saw and scoring saw blades. ? Felder can provide you with a PDF drawing that documents all the dimensions including extent of sliding table travel, outrigger and crosscut fence sizes etc. ? Attached is one such drawing - this one is for the K940 saw, but similar drawings exist for all the machines.
First time poster, jumping in because I am in a similar situation.
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I've seen lots of advice to get the biggest slider you can fit.? That makes sense to me.? My question is exactly what you guys mean by "fit."
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It's a lot easier to find 10.5' sliders, but my workshop just can't accommodate that much sliding table travel.? I can do 8.5' with a bit to spare, but 10.5' is right out.? I can fit the machine itself, but I wouldn't be able to use the full travel.? I'd have to adjust the table stops, or rig something up if the stops aren't adjustable, to keep from slamming the table into the walls all the time.
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With that said, would you still recommend trying to find a 10.5' slider, or should I settle for less?
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Re: news slider table recommendations
You have to be able to move the sliding table to its extreme ends in both directions to change main saw and scoring saw blades. ? Felder can provide you with a PDF drawing that documents all the dimensions including extent of sliding table travel, outrigger and crosscut fence sizes etc. ? Attached is one such drawing - this one is for the K940 saw, but similar drawings exist for all the machines.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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First time poster, jumping in because I am in a similar situation.
?
I've seen lots of advice to get the biggest slider you can fit.? That makes sense to me.? My question is exactly what you guys mean by "fit."
?
It's a lot easier to find 10.5' sliders, but my workshop just can't accommodate that much sliding table travel.? I can do 8.5' with a bit to spare, but 10.5' is right out.? I can fit the machine itself, but I wouldn't be able to use the full travel.? I'd have to adjust the table stops, or rig something up if the stops aren't adjustable, to keep from slamming the table into the walls all the time.
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With that said, would you still recommend trying to find a 10.5' slider, or should I settle for less?
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Re: news slider table recommendations
The fit means you can use the full travel of the slider in your workshop.
For example, I have a 9' KF700, it just works for my 22 feet deep double car garage. If you want to cut the 4x8 length wise, you need at least a 9' slider.
James
First time poster, jumping in because I am in a similar situation.
?
I've seen lots of advice to get the biggest slider you can fit.? That makes sense to me.? My question is exactly what you guys mean by "fit."
?
It's a lot easier to find 10.5' sliders, but my workshop just can't accommodate that much sliding table travel.? I can do 8.5' with a bit to spare, but 10.5' is right out.? I can fit the machine itself, but I wouldn't be able to use the full travel.? I'd have to adjust the table stops, or rig something up if the stops aren't adjustable, to keep from slamming the table into the walls all the time.
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With that said, would you still recommend trying to find a 10.5' slider, or should I settle for less?
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Re: news slider table recommendations
First time poster, jumping in because I am in a similar situation.
?
I've seen lots of advice to get the biggest slider you can fit.? That makes sense to me.? My question is exactly what you guys mean by "fit."
?
It's a lot easier to find 10.5' sliders, but my workshop just can't accommodate that much sliding table travel.? I can do 8.5' with a bit to spare, but 10.5' is right out.? I can fit the machine itself, but I wouldn't be able to use the full travel.? I'd have to adjust the table stops, or rig something up if the stops aren't adjustable, to keep from slamming the table into the walls all the time.
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With that said, would you still recommend trying to find a 10.5' slider, or should I settle for less?
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Re: news slider table recommendations
Just a couple of thoughts from me, promise:
Get the longest length slider your space + budget allows, regardless of new or used or with / without special features. I think Hammer machines and other Asian imports are decent for the money and would be a huge step up from the old school cab saw. The Felder line has a premium that it's made in Austria, with, yes, a nicer slider, but is it's not worth *that* much more that the equiv. lower tier models.?
There's always another tool to buy, so don't over think it and remember the "why you got into this hobby" probably wasn't based on tools / brand / etc. It seems you have a budget constraint, so as a young woodworker, you'll have a chance to upgrade once you get further along.?
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Re: news slider table recommendations
One KF on woodweb:
I see an older BF6 in Kansas City and CF731S in Mesa, AZ. I posted link for CF731S earlier.
Imran
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On Jun 17, 2020, at 11:14 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? Here is the link for used machines sold by Felder. There are no saws or saw/shapers at the moment.
Imran
On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:53 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? I¡¯m siding with a lot of others here on FOG in suggesting you look for a used KF700 in good condition and vintage 2005 or later (X-Roll). ?If you find one you¡¯re interested in, I¡¯m sure there are a number of use here on FOG who would be willing to assist in evaluating the machine. ? Felder often has used machines for sale also, but they don¡¯t bring it up unless you ask.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
Hey everybody I was wondering if y¡¯all could help me out with recommendations on a new slider. I am torn between what machine to get. ? I am 29 years old and simply a hobbyist who would like to upgrade to nice slider that I could have for a very long time (currently running a PM2200). I live below Washington DC and about 2 hours from felder in Delaware so I was able to look at some of the machines they have to offer. I originally was thinking about getting a K3 but then I got to play with the x-roll table and lets just say i wish I didn¡¯t because now i feel like I want to step it up to the felder line. I just got done building a 30x40 garage which I use as my workshop so I don¡¯t have a space issue. ? My first thought was ¡°I want a slider that could straight line rip a 8¡¯ sheet¡± which led me to a k500 with a bigger slider or the k500s but after being on the phone with my sales rep for an hour he basically made the recommendation towards the 500 professional since his justification was ¡°if your not ripping 8¡¯ sheets all the time I wouldn¡¯t worry about it¡± he said their was a trimming shoe that I could buy to rip 8¡¯ sheets on the occasion. Im not quite sure though how that works so im confused there. He quoted me that the package deal on the larger k3w was $5,900, the 500p was about $7000, and the 500s was about $9200. ? So my thought was if im gonna take the plunge and spend $5900 on a new saw then I could stomach another $1100 for the xroll but honestly the 500s seems out of reach for me. ? I also considered the KF500 and B3 comfort as options but im not sure If I want a stand alone shaper or deal with the conversion. The biggest turn off is flipping up a power feeder when I want it. Another issue I have with the felder shaper is the spindle size I have a huge collection of freeborn cutters I picked up on CL from someone for basically free but they are ?¡±. I did think about the option to mill a spare spindle down to ?¡±. Im currently looking at the laguna 5 hp shaper. ? All feedback and recommendations are welcome.
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Re: news slider table recommendations
Here is the link for used machines sold by Felder. There are no saws or saw/shapers at the moment.
Imran
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On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:53 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? I¡¯m siding with a lot of others here on FOG in suggesting you look for a used KF700 in good condition and vintage 2005 or later (X-Roll). ?If you find one you¡¯re interested in, I¡¯m sure there are a number of use here on FOG who would be willing to assist in evaluating the machine. ? Felder often has used machines for sale also, but they don¡¯t bring it up unless you ask.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
Hey everybody I was wondering if y¡¯all could help me out with recommendations on a new slider. I am torn between what machine to get. ? I am 29 years old and simply a hobbyist who would like to upgrade to nice slider that I could have for a very long time (currently running a PM2200). I live below Washington DC and about 2 hours from felder in Delaware so I was able to look at some of the machines they have to offer. I originally was thinking about getting a K3 but then I got to play with the x-roll table and lets just say i wish I didn¡¯t because now i feel like I want to step it up to the felder line. I just got done building a 30x40 garage which I use as my workshop so I don¡¯t have a space issue. ? My first thought was ¡°I want a slider that could straight line rip a 8¡¯ sheet¡± which led me to a k500 with a bigger slider or the k500s but after being on the phone with my sales rep for an hour he basically made the recommendation towards the 500 professional since his justification was ¡°if your not ripping 8¡¯ sheets all the time I wouldn¡¯t worry about it¡± he said their was a trimming shoe that I could buy to rip 8¡¯ sheets on the occasion. Im not quite sure though how that works so im confused there. He quoted me that the package deal on the larger k3w was $5,900, the 500p was about $7000, and the 500s was about $9200. ? So my thought was if im gonna take the plunge and spend $5900 on a new saw then I could stomach another $1100 for the xroll but honestly the 500s seems out of reach for me. ? I also considered the KF500 and B3 comfort as options but im not sure If I want a stand alone shaper or deal with the conversion. The biggest turn off is flipping up a power feeder when I want it. Another issue I have with the felder shaper is the spindle size I have a huge collection of freeborn cutters I picked up on CL from someone for basically free but they are ?¡±. I did think about the option to mill a spare spindle down to ?¡±. Im currently looking at the laguna 5 hp shaper. ? All feedback and recommendations are welcome.
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Re: news slider table recommendations
I¡¯m siding with a lot of others here on FOG in suggesting you look for a used KF700 in good condition and vintage 2005 or later (X-Roll). ?If you find one you¡¯re interested in, I¡¯m sure there are a number of use here on FOG who would be willing to assist in evaluating the machine. ? Felder often has used machines for sale also, but they don¡¯t bring it up unless you ask.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Hey everybody I was wondering if y¡¯all could help me out with recommendations on a new slider. I am torn between what machine to get. ? I am 29 years old and simply a hobbyist who would like to upgrade to nice slider that I could have for a very long time (currently running a PM2200). I live below Washington DC and about 2 hours from felder in Delaware so I was able to look at some of the machines they have to offer. I originally was thinking about getting a K3 but then I got to play with the x-roll table and lets just say i wish I didn¡¯t because now i feel like I want to step it up to the felder line. I just got done building a 30x40 garage which I use as my workshop so I don¡¯t have a space issue. ? My first thought was ¡°I want a slider that could straight line rip a 8¡¯ sheet¡± which led me to a k500 with a bigger slider or the k500s but after being on the phone with my sales rep for an hour he basically made the recommendation towards the 500 professional since his justification was ¡°if your not ripping 8¡¯ sheets all the time I wouldn¡¯t worry about it¡± he said their was a trimming shoe that I could buy to rip 8¡¯ sheets on the occasion. Im not quite sure though how that works so im confused there. He quoted me that the package deal on the larger k3w was $5,900, the 500p was about $7000, and the 500s was about $9200. ? So my thought was if im gonna take the plunge and spend $5900 on a new saw then I could stomach another $1100 for the xroll but honestly the 500s seems out of reach for me. ? I also considered the KF500 and B3 comfort as options but im not sure If I want a stand alone shaper or deal with the conversion. The biggest turn off is flipping up a power feeder when I want it. Another issue I have with the felder shaper is the spindle size I have a huge collection of freeborn cutters I picked up on CL from someone for basically free but they are ?¡±. I did think about the option to mill a spare spindle down to ?¡±. Im currently looking at the laguna 5 hp shaper. ? All feedback and recommendations are welcome.
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I purchased a used KF700S for $7K about 3 weeks ago.? Just a data point with respect to used. ? I'm not afraid of used machines; I have a '47 Unisaw, '58 Moak bandsaw and 30's Yates jointer which have served me well for many years, and had price tags that I could live with at the time I got them.?
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Re: Bridge City Flash Sale
I¡¯ve always wanted a JMP. Not sure I¡¯ll pull the trigger, but what the heck!
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On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote:
Hi folks,
Generally I don't pass along marketing stuff, but I got an email today from Bridge City Tools saying they were having a flash sale. They have joint maker pros down to $890 and the GyroAir down to $1990, but they've limited the quantities available at this price. If anyone wants PM me and I'll forward the email with the discount codes.
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Best to call Felder and make sure that you won¡¯t also need a different outrigger.
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On Jun 17, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Bill James via < xxrb2010@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 07:37 PM, Brian Lamb wrote:
Well, I know that European machines definitely get specc¡¯ed with a smaller fence, but at least some of the machines are coming to the USA with the larger fence¡ I know it can be done, was told this by Felder sales directly.
Definitively mine is on the smaller side, Anyone know if I would be able to find a used K700 crosscut fence to buy somewhere? Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 07:37 PM, Brian Lamb wrote:
Well, I know that European machines definitely get specc¡¯ed with a smaller fence, but at least some of the machines are coming to the USA with the larger fence¡ I know it can be done, was told this by Felder sales directly.
Definitively mine is on the smaller side, Anyone know if I would be able to find a used K700 crosscut fence to buy somewhere? Bill
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Re: Bridge City Flash Sale
And then you'd want to buy the accessories for the joint maker.? They know what they're doing. Dave Davies
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:37 PM Michael Garrison Stuber < mtgstuber@...> wrote: Hi folks,
???? Generally I don't pass along marketing stuff, but I got an email
today from Bridge City Tools saying they were having a flash sale.? They
have joint maker pros down to $890 and the GyroAir down to $1990, but
they've limited the quantities available at this price.? If anyone wants
PM me and I'll forward the email with the discount codes.
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-- Dave & Marie Davies
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Hi folks,
??? Generally I don't pass along marketing stuff, but I got an email today from Bridge City Tools saying they were having a flash sale.? They have joint maker pros down to $890 and the GyroAir down to $1990, but they've limited the quantities available at this price.? If anyone wants PM me and I'll forward the email with the discount codes.
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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I have a 4" tall Schmidt corrugated cutterhead. It opens all kinds of opportunities. I use W.M.Moore for custom knives. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: news slider table recommendations
I do have the K500 short chassis (not K500s) with the longest slider available on this model,
If I have to buy it again, I would buy the biggest K700 single phase I can get/fit.
- You do have some play with a K500 due to the short chassis, not a big deal, but I guess you loose some precision here if you want to go DRO, which by the way is not an option on K500 series.
- The way the sliding table is done on this model you loose about 20 inches of length with the outrigger fence. No way, you will cut 8 ft long stock flat on the slider, even without the outrigger and the shoe stuff Felder is talking about. The last, or first, 12 inches is an add-on piece to the sliding table that I cannot get it fully flat with the table. Good, if you do not care about flatness for stuff such as consistent dado depth. Otherwise do not plan 8 ft long dado at the same depth.
Having said so, the K500 is highly precise if you know the limitation I mentioned and it is a joy to use.?
Bill
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Even if you decide on new, take a look at panel saws- sliding on the machinery exchange on Woodweb.? That will give you an idea of price ranges for commercial sliders.? Add 1500 for an RPC and 1500 to handle the Oh Crap repair stuff and you have an idea of
what a heavy build, 16" three speed saw with scoring will run worse case scenario.? Might not be where you want to go but when you get into the 10' table size, build matters.? I would set the 700 series as my bottom end build for larger saws.? Keep in mind
that an F90 doesn't tilt to discount those.? Dave
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Hi CJ?
I'll give my two cents, as someone who has been building furniture for a living?for 20 years. First of all, I'd never spend $10K on a new saw. There are so many used sliders on the market since cabinet shops no longer really want them around. You can pick
up Altendorf and SCMI sliders for significantly less money than that. I bought my Panhans, 10'+ stroke for $2500 including probably $1000 worth of blades. The thing is basically bomb proof. Just made my first repair on it in a dozen years, a $30 switch for
the scoring motor. You have to be careful what you buy, you don't want something that was abused by a bunch of employees. If you are sold on Felder, they come up used often as well. If you're going to spend close to 10K, you can probably get a late model K700,
or KF on the used market. One good thing is they usually come out of hobby shops or small pro shops with an employee or two. We have 2 KF700's in our coop shop, both with the 80" stroke. I'd never have a slider that short as my only saw, unless you only build
furniture out of solid wood and rarely handle sheet goods.
Plan on bringing in 3 phase if it's an option, or going the phase converter route. I personally would not buy a Felder with a built in VFD. Both of our machines have had issues. They are 2001 vintage. Part acquisition was a nightmare too. I'm talking a
month plus of down time. Having the ability to run any 3 phase machine opens lots of possibilities. Single phase machines always fetch too much money on the used market since the market is so much bigger.
I have not personally used or seen a K500, or the other saw you mentioned so I cannot speak to them. Don't be afraid to look at used. Sliders are simple machines (or can be). My Panhans was built mid 80's and performs like a champ every single day. I was
straight line ripping 11' long 8/4 white oak on it over the weekend. I just had to remove one clamp to get the full length. A thing of beauty.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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John,
I have not talked to Royce Ayr, I will give them a call.
James
Makes more sense now. Have you tried talking to Royce Ayr since they're basically in your your backyard.
John,
For the small window, I like 2 1/2" louver. For the large window, 3 1/2" louver is better.
The louver I like is not flat, it is kind of the oval shape. 3 1/2" knife?needs a 4" height cutter.
James trying to figure out why you need a 4" shaper head when the pieces can just be run through your JP.
Michael,
Are you referring to this shutter cutter ??? I looked at it before, but did not see the louver like Rocker's I am looking for based on the picture. Maybe it needs the custom knife.?
The cutter head I am looking at is Byrd's 2 knives cutter head?
I found this website?, you can pay $10 to get a DXF knife design and have the knife custom made at or other company of your choice.
James
James I have not but plan to do the same as well. ? I will watch this thread with a great interest.
I did look into the cutter that rangate has and liked the look of those shutters but was unable to find the hardware from any US supplier when i was looking this spring. ? I did not reach out to the folks in Italy at the time given they were in lock down - I am not sure how easy it is to get hardware from there but the assembly effort looked like it should be quite a bit less and i have quite a few between my home and my sisters to do -
I plan to make the plantation shutter for all the windows in the house. I have Rockler's shutter jig.
I know it is easy to?make the louver using a planer molder, but I have no space for more machines in the double car garage.
Has anyone used the cutter head with corrugated knives on the shaper with power feeder to make the louver? Is it doable?
Thanks,
James
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imran
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