Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
Whitehill has really expanded their offering, and at less than half the cost of Rangate, are a great value IMO. ? And a lot of their profiles are unique and very attractive in the US market.
Another alternative for tenoning is a conventional dado set bored to 30mm - here¡¯s a double stack of Forrest Dado King 10¡± dado cutters on my KF700 - this needs a proper tenoning hood for sure:
I used that setup to tenon 5x5 fence rails to 3?¡± depth. ? ?This link might be useful: ???
David Best
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I have two of the Felder rebate heads noted by David ¡ª probably because of his recommendation in the Survival Guide. ?I have used them for tenons with no issues, although the will not drop below the table of my CF741 due to their diameter (220mm). ?I use a piece of ?¡± plywood as a tenoning plate to raise the stock and rebate heads.
An alternative, that appears to be less money with greater depth (99mm!) are the tenon plates from Whitehill:
I have two of these and you can do 74mm deep cuts. Pretty close to 3¡±
Imran
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
Wow, these are inexpensive. They are AL CI steel and do not have the nickers (like on Felder) which give you a nice cut when doing rebates.
Imran
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On May 27, 2020, at 4:02 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote: ? I have two of the Felder rebate heads noted by David ¡ª probably because of his recommendation in the Survival Guide. ?I have used them for tenons with no issues, although the will not drop below the table of my CF741 due to their diameter (220mm). ?I use a piece of ?¡± plywood as a tenoning plate to raise the stock and rebate heads.
An alternative, that appears to be less money with greater depth (99mm!) are the tenon plates from Whitehill:
On May 27, 2020, at 1:07 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I have two of these and you can do 74mm deep cuts. Pretty close to 3¡±
Imran
On May 27, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Michael Todrin <michaeltodrin@...> wrote:
?I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
Thanks
Michael
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
I have two of the Felder rebate heads noted by David ¡ª probably because of his recommendation in the Survival Guide. ?I have used them for tenons with no issues, although the will not drop below the table of my CF741 due to their diameter (220mm). ?I use a piece of ?¡± plywood as a tenoning plate to raise the stock and rebate heads.
An alternative, that appears to be less money with greater depth (99mm!) are the tenon plates from Whitehill:
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On May 27, 2020, at 1:07 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I have two of these and you can do 74mm deep cuts. Pretty close to 3¡±
Imran
On May 27, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Michael Todrin <michaeltodrin@...> wrote:
?I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
Thanks
Michael
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
Two of the following rebate cutters, with a bushing between them the thickness of the tenon you want, will go to 74mm depth, and 31mm high. ? These is what I use:
T-max on the dado cutter is not specified, but maximum depth of cut using it as a groover is 34mm because of the inner hub projection. ? See photos below:
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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I don't miss it on my 10' slider but made a corded one for my shorter stroke saws.? The long slider stays on most of the time as I can move stuff without getting close enough to the blade to worry about shutting it off.? Dave
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Rarely have I said ¡°I wish I had not ordered that option¡± But don¡¯t get it and see....I use mine often .? My 2 cents?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 13:25 Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
My KF700 came with it, USA base spec. I would not be without it.
Mark Foster?
Besides sheet goods just doing long boards is a pain on my KF. I use a sled due to short slider but would be same if you had parallel clamps on a long slider. I have rough lumber that is all diff width but even if they are all same width and
you are trying to preserve the width, you end up setting up width for each board on slider for the first straight line rip. Then I have to go to the other side to turn the saw on. I know you can leave it on to avoid this back and forth. In this example, the
buttons on the slider end, if I had them, would still be covered, unless one can approach them from side.
Files section should have the pendent, as someone mentioned. That design can be implemented as an overhead pendent or one that is attached/placed on machine wherever convenient. A lot less than $1K.
Imran
On May 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
?I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch
panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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Rarely have I said ¡°I wish I had not ordered that option¡± But don¡¯t get it and see....I use mine often .? My 2 cents?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 13:25 Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: My KF700 came with it, USA base spec. I would not be without it.
Mark Foster? Besides sheet goods just doing long boards is a pain on my KF. I use a sled due to short slider but would be same if you had parallel clamps on a long slider. I have rough lumber that is all diff width but even if they are all same width and you are trying to preserve the width, you end up setting up width for each board on slider for the first straight line rip. Then I have to go to the other side to turn the saw on. I know you can leave it on to avoid this back and forth. In this example, the buttons on the slider end, if I had them, would still be covered, unless one can approach them from side.
Files section should have the pendent, as someone mentioned. That design can be implemented as an overhead pendent or one that is attached/placed on machine wherever convenient. A lot less than $1K.
Imran On May 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: ?I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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My KF700 came with it, USA base spec. I would not be without it.
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On May 27, 2020, at 11:59, imranindiana via < imranindiana@...> wrote: Besides sheet goods just doing long boards is a pain on my KF. I use a sled due to short slider but would be same if you had parallel clamps on a long slider. I have rough lumber that is all diff width but even if they are all same width and you are trying to preserve the width, you end up setting up width for each board on slider for the first straight line rip. Then I have to go to the other side to turn the saw on. I know you can leave it on to avoid this back and forth. In this example, the buttons on the slider end, if I had them, would still be covered, unless one can approach them from side.
Files section should have the pendent, as someone mentioned. That design can be implemented as an overhead pendent or one that is attached/placed on machine wherever convenient. A lot less than $1K.
Imran On May 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: ?I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
I have not made any tenons but that is one of the intended use. With two, tenon in one pass. With one two passes.
Imran?
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On May 27, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Michael Todrin <michaeltodrin@...> wrote: ?Thanks Imran. ?Do you use both for cutting tenons or do you split one of them?
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Thanks Imran. ?Do you use both for cutting tenons or do you split one of them?
Michael
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
I have two of these and you can do 74mm deep cuts. Pretty close to 3¡±
Imran
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On May 27, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Michael Todrin <michaeltodrin@...> wrote: ?I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
Thanks
Michael
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Besides sheet goods just doing long boards is a pain on my KF. I use a sled due to short slider but would be same if you had parallel clamps on a long slider. I have rough lumber that is all diff width but even if they are all same width and you are trying to preserve the width, you end up setting up width for each board on slider for the first straight line rip. Then I have to go to the other side to turn the saw on. I know you can leave it on to avoid this back and forth. In this example, the buttons on the slider end, if I had them, would still be covered, unless one can approach them from side.
Files section should have the pendent, as someone mentioned. That design can be implemented as an overhead pendent or one that is attached/placed on machine wherever convenient. A lot less than $1K.
Imran
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On May 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami <kumar@...> wrote: ?I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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TJ, I virtually never put my feeder down off of the table on my CF741. ?I only do so when cutting sheet goods, which is not very often. ?Of course, if you are using a lot of sheet goods, it will be more of an issue for you.
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Sure, if you expect to be walking around the machine it is a trip hazard.
Believe me, you are doing the right thing by staying away from mag base. When things go wrong there could be a big impulse of power and not sure how the mag base will handle that. Besides safety, mag base is not going to work even with a 3 wheel feeder unless you are Mr. Universe. Feeder without assist on tilt bracket is bad enough for most and therefore, fortunately, someone came up with big lift.
Imran On May 27, 2020, at 1:43 PM, TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote: ? Interference of the extra long horizontal pipe during the 99%+ of the time the feeder will be folded down. From the pictures people have shared it looks like the standard feeder folds in fairly well but I don¡¯t know if the longer horizontal arm will be in the way ¨C it¡¯s another 14¡± to trip on. ? The attractiveness of the mag base idea was that I could use the standard setup and just reposition it and/or move it to a future band saw, but I want to take the advice of those skeptical of the manner of loading and unloading the feeder as well as questions about magnet holding power for a feeder that heavy. It also seems like the 1/4HP and smaller feeders might be underpowered and therefore not really a complete safety answer on the 4HP shaper? ? For saw use, there are times when I think back that the feeder might have been nice on my cabinet saw. I don¡¯t know if that¡¯s more or less true with the slider ¨C fritz/franz jigs for small pieces and clamping to the sliding table instead of using the table saw fence for a reference, etc. ? I¡¯m here to learn ¨C if I¡¯m confused, please tell me. ? Thanks ? Why do you say, forget using it in the saw?
On May 27, 2020, at 1:13 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:
?? Thanks for all the pictures and input. Should I forget about using it on the saw and just get the tilting bracket plus a DC40? It seems like overkill for what I need, but I would prefer if possible to not break bones or have fingers forcibly removed, so if a big feeder is what that takes, I¡¯m willing to make the cash and space investment. ? I turn mine quite a ways around so it¡¯s not really in the way. Machine is a CF741 with the Felder gas strut swing-away bracket.
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It sure is convenient when working with full sheets of plywood. ?It¡¯s a nice to have, definitely not a necessity unless you can¡¯t stand crawling under a sheet of plywood loaded on the slider after you forgot to start the saw.
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On May 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
? I am not sure what the cost was but I did use mine a lot On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
Thanks
Michael
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I am not sure what the cost was but I did use mine a lot
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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I agree with John, if a lot of 1/2 to full sheets then worthwhile if you like to turn the saw on/off with sheet loaded otherwise it¡¯s a nice to have. I typically just turn the saw on and go, I probably wouldn¡¯t purchase it again if it meant not adding another ¡°can¡¯t¡± add it later.
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On May 27, 2020, at 2:23 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? If you do a lot of large panel work,?IMHO definitely worth it. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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There used to be instructions in the files section for building your own start switch.? It's wired but seemed fairly simple to make. Dave Davies
If you do a lot of large panel work,?IMHO definitely worth it.
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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If you do a lot of large panel work,?IMHO definitely worth it.
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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Brian, you should fact check your statement.??
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