Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
I guess it¡¯s all in who you get as a tech. I¡¯ve had the exact opposite experience with them. ?
Wade
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On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:33?PM, Steve Hubbard <hubbardsg@...> wrote:
?Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company. One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others. <dummyfile.0.part> Steve Hubbard
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
I have utilized Felder tech support half a dozen times.? Once was for a used Felder machine.? I have had very satisfactory experience with each occurrence.? My experience with another Euro manufacturer isn't anywhere near as good.? There are some horror stories shared here on FOG, so I count my lucky stars and wonder why the variation in customer experiences.??
SW
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
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This is great to hear Steve, I similarly had a great experience with my C3 31 brake controller board replacement. I had it identified via this forum but sourcing the diagrams, parts and replacement order etc was all sourced through Felder in Sydney NSW Australia, very knowledgeable and prompt to have it included in the next shipment over.
admittedly i don't have a heap of other experience with combo unit manufacturers but this is my second C3 31 and the aftermarket support is one of the reasons i'll stick with them.
Nathan
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 7:33?AM Steve Hubbard < hubbardsg@...> wrote: Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company.
One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others.
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Mark Foster
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
This is great to hear Steve, I similarly had a great experience with my C3 31 brake controller board replacement. I had it identified via this forum but sourcing the diagrams, parts and replacement order etc was all sourced through Felder in Sydney NSW Australia, very knowledgeable and prompt to have it included in the next shipment over.
admittedly i don't have a heap of other experience with combo unit manufacturers but this is my second C3 31 and the aftermarket support is one of the reasons i'll stick with them.
Nathan
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 7:33?AM Steve Hubbard < hubbardsg@...> wrote: Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company. One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others.  Steve Hubbard
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Positive experience with Felder Support
Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company. One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others.  Steve Hubbard
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
Even horsepower doesn¡¯t solve the problem for a one person shop. More horsepower can move more air but only with no restrictions.
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
An alternative might be to keep what you have and add a stand alone dust filter.? They come in all sizes and costs, maybe filter fine particles better and save space by hanging from the ceiling over your work area..? Some models are quiet and can be left running. I know a woodworker hobbyist that is allergic to wood dust and swears by his. Remember, be careful using "large" ducting. I see discussions on this forum minimizing static loss by upsizing pipe.? Everything is a compromise. Larger pipe reduces air speed which allows denser materials to settle out on longer horizontal runs. There is no substitute for horsepower. 
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I've spent more time figuring out the right dust collection than any other machine in my shop.? I have an RL160 and Oneida 5hp.? RL series is clean, quiet and easy access to dust bins. You can overload with a widebelt and others with Cyclones experience that as well. I have the auto clean. The RL200 is the same chassis size as the RL160 but more filter pleat surface area increase in cost is $1,000 from RL160 to RL200.? The pleats can only be cleaned when machine is off. RL160 is going to cost $7500 ish new.? Oneida, good machine but loud, half the footprint and comes with wireless remote. 55 gallon bin sucks, louder than I want I don't own a widebelt yet but Timesaver reps said the dust from sanding is too small to drop out of cyclone not a perfect solution. Nederman, quiet great machine high CFM as others pointed out this will capture more surrounding dust at point of collection.? My Nederman was 10hp a bit too much for my operation so I sold it new 5hp model was $11k ish. Capture rating was 1-3 micron again high CFM and quiet.
The decision road led to two options (1) ALKO or (2) RL300 both with air purge during operation. I looked at Entecco and Coima but cost and other factors they were not competitive. RL300 was $18k 11hp Felder gave me a reference for machine to another owner they never returned my call after three attempts that told me something. At the same time a Felder FB post showed a RL300 packed solid on the inside and the customer was waiting on remediation from Felder to fix.? ALKO - most expensive option they have a 4hp 200 model for $18k which Martin raised the price mid year to $22k then dropped back down to $18k a few months later after selling zero units. 4hp was a little too small for my use next size up was 250mm 10hp with option for built in variable demand VFD and gate control.? Machine soft starts then ramps to whatever gate is open configurable CFM per gete so I can run it to match the machine(s) in use.??My priorities are clean air, reasonably quiet, easy bin empty, ease of filter cleaning and self contained box - euro style?this machine checked all the boxes and this is what I ended up going with.?
IMO dust collector levels based on what is important to me and cost.?
1) Cyclone
2) RL or Euro cabinet machine?
3) Nederman or Coima bag 1 micron $10-$12k, or COIMA has pleated option offline air purge at $12,000 5hp
4) ALKO $18k and up, one and done.
Jay Bowen
Cleveland
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I have the RL140 and a Dylos meter,
I am in the 100/10 - 200/40 on the Dylos display doing normal stuff with overhead saw guard at 4" for the slider. The RL140 filter is the heavy type, not the same as in the RL160. I do not have sander connected to it and no issue with the manual cleaning in a hobby shop.
It is connected to a K500 and A31 with Nordfab quick connect and flexible duct.
Changing a bag is a breeze.
Bill
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Re: Overarm Guard Modification
Forgot to mention one bit of warning leaving the guard unbolted, if the guard is set low to the material like right to it if you run the material back after the cut it can catch and pull the guard backwards it happened to me one time but i had fully cleared the wood and i think the guard dropped a tiny bit?
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Re: Felder Branded Machine Securement "Buttons"
Thanks All, the ones noted by Craig look correct. I'll see if I can add some to an accessory order at that price.
-Karl
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Re: Felder Branded Machine Securement "Buttons"
Karl,
You should check your machine print or call Felder for actual PN for your machine.
Here is a machine using 2 diff types, #4 and #27:
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On Jan 22, 2024, at 8:02?AM, cmzimm@... wrote: ?I just had to order a few of these for a K700 S. ?The gray ¡°buttons¡± (#213NCA) are $1.22 each and the associated screws (#400HB) are $0.50 each¡plus shipping of course!
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
Hi Netanel,?
?I went through a similar exercise and wound up with a RL-160. One of the primary drivers for myself was headroom. My shop has 9' ceilings, and most of the cyclones would have been a tight fit using a standard drum. I appreciate there are shorter drums, but then you're stuck monitoring the drum and babysitting it more.?
?The RL-160 has a larger footprint than a comparable cyclone but has a much lower height, and the 2x 53 gallon bin capacity allows me to go for longer intervals between bag changes.?
?I have found the RL-160 keeps up just fine with my machines, including a KF-700, Profil 45, A 951 L, A3-41, FB-710, HS-950, etc....
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?I do have a North State 16" wide belt sander and it has been my experience that the RL-160 keeps up with it just fine. That being said, I am mindful to shut the sander and extractor down every 15-20 minutes so the RL-160 can perform its automated filter cleaning cycle, which I suspect goes a long ways towards preventing the filters from getting packed with chips/dust.?
?I ordered my RL-160 as a 3-phase machine, with the anti-static filters and the automatic filter cleaning system. The automated filter cleaning replaces the manual pull handle with a pneumatic piston which draws the sweeps across the filter pleats.?
?It is my understanding that the cyclones are very effective at separating out "most" of the dust, but that the really fine dust produced by the wide belts would tend to get past, so you'd still want/need a method to periodically clean the filter. I liked the idea that the RL-160 skips the separating element and just regularly cleans the filters.?
?I hope this helps, good luck with your search/purchase.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Felder Branded Machine Securement "Buttons"
I just had to order a few of these for a K700 S. ?The gray ¡°buttons¡± (#213NCA) are $1.22 each and the associated screws (#400HB) are $0.50 each¡plus shipping of course!
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Craig Z.
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
Joe, for what it is worth I have an Oneida V3000 with the HEPA filter. It clogs up also. It got a lot worse when I bought a drum sander.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
Brandon - the euro certification is one of the reasons I consider the RL. I trust the euro regulation way more than the HEPA filter.
I recently got a Dylon meter and was shocked how much super fine dust is produced by the planer.
But having said that, it only emits the air it caught, not was wasn¡¯t captured by the DC.
Joe - What RL does he have?
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
A friend and fellow FOG member is considering a move from an RL to an Oneida 5hp VFD collector. He has trouble with fine dust clogging the filters with his wide belt sander.
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I had the exact same question several years ago. I finally went with a demo model RL160. It takes up three times the space of the Oneida, but for me the deciding factor was that it's certified by the European OSHA to be used in the same room as workers. The fine print on all the cycles recommends exhausting them outside. My shop is climate controlled and I'm not about to blow 2000 CFM of concerned air outside.?
I've been happy with the RL. Just don't let the bins fill up enough to clog the filters.
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Re: Overarm Guard Modification
I also leave mine unbolted. There's enough friction when it goes home that I don't worry about it moving on its own. A ball-detent or spring loaded pin and brass bushing would give you the postive stop you seem to be looking for. Or, you could go exotic like a big electromagnet, but the holding current might run up your utility bill.?
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Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I just sold my old dust collector (Oneida 5HP supercell) for a preparation for my new slider (the supercell only support 1 - 5¡± port) and about to order a new unit (Oneida dust gorilla pro 5HP with VFD).
now I started to started to think maybe I should also consider the euro DC.
The gorilla pro costs ~$4500 so it is in the range of the RL140.
for people with the Felder DC, what do you think about it?
have you ever compared it to a cycle?
my big machinery:
Felder K700s with overhead dust?
Hammer N4400
Hammer HS950 - edge sander?
Hammer A3-31 (will be probably swapped with AD951 in near future)
Planning to add a shaper (F700z?)
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