Ok, time to tap the group knowledge. I've got a Felder KF700, 1.25" spindle that I acquired but haven't used the shaper yet.
I recently attended Alpine Workshop with a few great new friends. It was a great learning experience, but somehow I never got around to asking the following question, so here it goes:
I would like to use the shaper to replace my existing router table, mostly to regain that floor space. I could spend $1k to buy the high speed router spindle, but that seems pretty drastic, especially given the disadvantages of bits vs cutters.?
If you had to choose between spending $1k on a high speed spindle or putting that money towards cutters that do similar jobs, what would you choose? Most of my router bits are pretty standard round overs and beads. My shaper came with cope and stick, panel-raising, and chamfer cutters, so I have already "replaced" those.
Looking at Amana's carbide-tipped cutters, I could buy their whole line of round overs and rub collars for under $1k. Or would insert cutters be better? If so, which head and cutters do you recommend?
I got to use the asking Rangate products at Alpine Workshop, but I'm not sure that $2k for their multi purpose cutter is the most cost effective choice for a hobbyist workshop. But, I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks,
Brandon
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Re: Felder Silent Power Dado 6.3-20mm
#forsale
A FOG member reached out with an offer to sell his 6.4mm-12mm dado and we’ve reached agreement on that. ?If anyone has a 12-20mm they’d like to sell, let me know.
I’ve been searching for adjustable grooving cutters for circular saws, but the only thing that I find is the Felder tool. ?Doesn’t anyone else make or sell it? ?It seems strange to me as I am under the impression that almost all (or is it all?) of Felder’s shaper cutters are made by others.
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On May 19, 2023, at 7:58 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Btw, if successful in identifying and procuring said adjustable groover for circular saws, a Forrest dado stack will be available…. 8”
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:56 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Primarily for cutting grooves (dados) in solid stock for furniture work. ?My spouse is looking for an anniversary present for me. ?The Forrest stack is ok, but the adjustability of the width of the groove is a pain in the ass. ?I have adjustable groovers for the shaper on CF741. ?I want to be able to set my dado up like David Best! ?Budget is less that 1.2k. ?I’d hoped to buy the groover that was listed above but no luck for a deal…
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives. David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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I’m not disagreeing with the measurement amounts. The issue is that if the OP tilts his outfeed table to get the right height to the cutterhead, he can run out of up and down adjustment on the infeed side. If this was a combo machine, you would set the outfeed table to be parallel to the saw table, but on a stand alone j/p you can really mess things up if you don’t keep the outfeed in the right plane.
Brian Lamb
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On May 20, 2023, at 7:19 AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Brian I was trained to set the height of the cutter head 8/10 of mm below the table edge side to side within max .06 mm then set the knives cutting circle .03 mm above table edge. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On May 20, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Richard <rirving@...> wrote:
?.031” above the body of the cutterhead, the range called for in the setup guide is .026” - .038”, and getting it precise to a mark is difficult because of how everything adjusts - two bolts front side, two m6 studs on the hinge side.?
I am wondering if I did mess up level of the outfeed and didn’t realize it when making my adjustments. Will check this am.?
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Brian I was trained to set the height of the cutter head 8/10 of mm below the table edge side to side within max .06 mm then set the knives cutting circle .03 mm above table edge. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 20, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Richard <rirving@...> wrote:
?.031” above the body of the cutterhead, the range called for in the setup guide is .026” - .038”, and getting it precise to a mark is difficult because of how everything adjusts - two bolts front side, two m6 studs on the hinge side.?
I am wondering if I did mess up level of the outfeed and didn’t realize it when making my adjustments. Will check this am.?
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.031” above the body of the cutterhead, the range called for in the setup guide is .026” - .038”, and getting it precise to a mark is difficult because of how everything adjusts - two bolts front side, two m6 studs on the hinge side.?
I am wondering if I did mess up level of the outfeed and didn’t realize it when making my adjustments. Will check this am.?
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Wouldn’t it be too low in this case if I have to set the tables to near the lower end of their travel to achieve proper distance between cutterhead and tables??
Certainly possible, though I’m hoping there’s a geometry issue with the tables that I’ve overlooked since those adjustments are much easier. :-)?
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.031" above the body of the cutterhead, or the height of the blades? How. Did you adjust the outfeed table? If you didn’t keep it level as you adjusted it, then tipping the plane of the table could easily put you out of range on the adjustment of the infeed table.
Brian Lamb
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On May 19, 2023, at 9:12 PM, Richard <rirving@...> wrote:
So I’ve gotten the outfeed leveled and set .031” above the cutterhead. The problem when I do that is the infeed loses the majority of its travel and now has a height adjustment of only 0 - .09”. Beyond that the height adjustment bottoms out at the end of its travel. I’m sure there’s something I screwed up adjusting the outfeed but I haven’t figured it out yet.?
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I’m talking whole cutter head not table to head Designing and building for 50 years
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? Maybe the cutterhead assembly is too high??? Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On May 19, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Richard <rirving@...> wrote:
?So I’ve gotten the outfeed leveled and set .031” above the cutterhead. The problem when I do that is the infeed loses the majority of its travel and now has a height adjustment of only 0 - .09”. Beyond that the height adjustment bottoms out at the end of its travel. I’m sure there’s something I screwed up adjusting the outfeed but I haven’t figured it out yet.?
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Maybe the cutterhead assembly is too high??? Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 19, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Richard <rirving@...> wrote:
?So I’ve gotten the outfeed leveled and set .031” above the cutterhead. The problem when I do that is the infeed loses the majority of its travel and now has a height adjustment of only 0 - .09”. Beyond that the height adjustment bottoms out at the end of its travel. I’m sure there’s something I screwed up adjusting the outfeed but I haven’t figured it out yet.?
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Hi Nathan,
I sent you a private msg.
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On May 20, 2023, at 2:13 AM, Nathan D'Elboux <nathan.delboux@...> wrote: ?Hi all, I used to own a 2012 model hammer c31 combo unit and I remember the electric motor of the table saw used to applying an electronic break buzzing sound to slow the blade to a complete stop, as my n4400 bandsaw currently has as well. ?I no longer own that 2012 model, my current model is a 2016 and everything else is the same but the table saw doesn’t apply an electric brake when I turn it off. The helical head and router spindle does but the tablesaw slows down eventually there’s no buzzing sound
do others find the same? Is it supposed to have one consistently across the range of products and I should be raising it as a fault with Felder directly or it’s not common across all hammer motors?
I just thought it would have one given an older saw used to but this is not the case
thanks for any advice
Nathan?
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Nathan - My 2018 C3-31 also has the buzzing sound when the saw blade stops.
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On May 20, 2023, at 6:11 AM, Rich M. <rmarkiewicz@...> wrote:
?Hi Nathan - My 2018-build C3-31 has the buzzing sound on the table saw blade as well.????? -Rich M.
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Hi Nathan - My 2018-build C3-31 has the buzzing sound on the table saw blade as well.????? -Rich M.
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Hi all, I used to own a 2012 model hammer c31 combo unit and I remember the electric motor of the table saw used to applying an electronic break buzzing sound to slow the blade to a complete stop, as my n4400 bandsaw currently has as well. ?I no longer own that 2012 model, my current model is a 2016 and everything else is the same but the table saw doesn’t apply an electric brake when I turn it off. The helical head and router spindle does but the tablesaw slows down eventually there’s no buzzing sound
do others find the same? Is it supposed to have one consistently across the range of products and I should be raising it as a fault with Felder directly or it’s not common across all hammer motors?
I just thought it would have one given an older saw used to but this is not the case
thanks for any advice
Nathan?
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Re: A3-31 setup and calibration
So I’ve gotten the outfeed leveled and set .031” above the cutterhead. The problem when I do that is the infeed loses the majority of its travel and now has a height adjustment of only 0 - .09”. Beyond that the height adjustment bottoms out at the end of its travel. I’m sure there’s something I screwed up adjusting the outfeed but I haven’t figured it out yet.?
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Re: Felder Silent Power Dado 6.3-20mm
#forsale
Btw, if successful in identifying and procuring said adjustable groover for circular saws, a Forrest dado stack will be available…. 8”
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On May 19, 2023, at 7:56 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Primarily for cutting grooves (dados) in solid stock for furniture work. ?My spouse is looking for an anniversary present for me. ?The Forrest stack is ok, but the adjustability of the width of the groove is a pain in the ass. ?I have adjustable groovers for the shaper on CF741. ?I want to be able to set my dado up like David Best! ?Budget is less that 1.2k. ?I’d hoped to buy the groover that was listed above but no luck for a deal…
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives. David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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Re: Felder Silent Power Dado 6.3-20mm
#forsale
Primarily for cutting grooves (dados) in solid stock for furniture work. ?My spouse is looking for an anniversary present for me. ?The Forrest stack is ok, but the adjustability of the width of the groove is a pain in the ass. ?I have adjustable groovers for the shaper on CF741. ?I want to be able to set my dado up like David Best! ?Budget is less that 1.2k. ?I’d hoped to buy the groover that was listed above but no luck for a deal…
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On May 19, 2023, at 7:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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Re: Felder Silent Power Dado 6.3-20mm
#forsale
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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Re: Felder Silent Power Dado 6.3-20mm
#forsale
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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On May 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I have a CMT dado stack purchased from Scott&Sargent. After I bought it a felder dado set came up for sale, which I bought. Anyhow, I have it for sale on FB.
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