Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
Hi Wade,?
That sounds very frustrating. I can tell you that I just received some parts to upgrade my KF700SP to DRO rip fence configuration, among the parts are the revised support/guide wheel (it rolls very smoothly!), and a rip fence extrusion in perfect condition. I actually didn't request the rip fence, and they also sent multiple other parts I didn't request, looks like I'll be sending some items back. As far as the rip fence goes, if you're getting damaged parts it's probably a combination of less-than-adequate packing, and rough handling by the delivery people.?
Regarding the rip fence calibration, as mentioned by others I'd absolutely request a replacement ruler, or just flip it over and use your own. The bar shouldn't be related to measurement issues unless you have a really wicked skew going.?
Anyways, just wanted to let you know that Felder?can/does?deliver the goods, it sounds like you're getting ravaged by a planetary alignment of poor communication, packing, and rough handling.?
Regarding commissioning services, I know there are a handful of guys in the Minneapolis area who will commission machinery. Last time I checked (several years ago) the labor rate was something around $100/hr. That being said, they were not Felder-specific, and would only be able to help with the mechanical commissioning, the electrical would be a whole different ball game.?
If you haven't already, reach out to David Best to inquire about purchasing a PDF copy of his Survival Guide. I've referenced it extensively while fine-tuning my KF700SP, it took me awhile but his documentation and photos are invaluable, and I have my KF700 cutting like a dream, couldn't be happier.?
Best wishes on getting your issues resolved.
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
Yes, that may be exactly what is needed...
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027
I believe David Best has machined P couplings to hold some accessories.
Indeed.? Details here: ?
David Best
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
I believe David Best has machined P couplings to hold some accessories.
Indeed. ?Details here: ?
David Best
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
Again, thanks for the great input. I feel kind of foolish not knowing this stuff, but better late than never. I just wish I was informed earlier from the sales department.?
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 10:32 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Since the X-roll came out any attachment to the slider has to have the P-channel configuration. The backside of the cast iron table still has the F-channel configuration and as such, F-channel accessories are still required to fit there. Felder makes aluminum extension tables to fit the P-channel slider extrusion, just exchange one of your cast iron ones for the proper unit.
This is good information. I wish that I was informed about?this when I ordered these things and why am I not being filled in during my countless inquiries to Felder. Did I buy the wrong supports? I would like to find out more on how to get them to work, if possible.?
Thanks for your help.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027 Hi Ed,
F coupling was replaced with P coupling with Xroll around 2004. You can still get extension tables that mate with P coupling. My 2001 KF700 has F coupling so I had to purchase P coupling, when I got K975 with xroll, so I could continue to use Aigner pressure modules.
Alternatively, John Kee, made 2 simple P couplings out of ply wood and attached a steel bar between them. This way he can use F channel accessories on Xroll.
I believe David Best has machined P couplings to hold some accessories. ? I feel your pain pain Wade. I could only imagine the frustration you're experiencing. I can relate to the difficult communications with the Felder folks. I have had a few of my own but is pale in comparison.
On a different note, has anyone else ordered a saw recently and notice that it does not include any F coupling bars on the slider? I ordered extra F channel supports and have no way to attach them to my slider. My old K700 that I ordered over 20 years ago came with a connecting bar that ran almost the entire length of the slider. One would think that the new saws would come with these or that the salesman would simply add it to your saw when ordering your unit with support extensions. One of my extensions fits nicely on the rear of my unit and the other is a very expensive paper weight. I was told that they would make good on this and send me the appropriate slider attachments. Unfortunately, this has fallen between the cracks when dealing with my other issues. Communications has been frustrating and exhausting.?
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027 On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 12:17 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I am surprised that you didn¡¯t get any results contacting Ruan, did you ever call him and talk to him? Emails can be ¡°avoided¡± too easily at times. As for commissioning, I¡¯ve helped several folks locally over the years, but haven¡¯t heard of any independent contractor types out there doing it.
If the rip fence is not accurate, first and foremost, replace the scale. It¡¯s not uncommon to find scales printed incorrectly, first thing I did when I got my machine 20+years ago.?
The wheel, what size diameter, width and hole size are they? McMaster has a lot of options, I would see if you can get a replacement that works better.
?
Hello FOG members,
I want to thank David Best & Brain Lamb for passing on the contact info to me for the President of Felder.? In hopes to get my issues resolved a bit quicker, maybe.? I wasn¡¯t real confident I¡¯d hear from him, and that still holds true as of today.? Not one comment from him.? And this is after numerous emails now, since now he has been included on each email contact with Tech support. ?
I received a brand new K700S back on January 3rd, and as of today it¡¯s still not 100% operational.? I guess I received the ¡°lemon¡± for this batch of saws!?
Many on going issues with the saw.? I¡¯ve been back and forth with tech support since day one.? I¡¯m telling you the left hand doesn¡¯t talk to the right in this company!? After many months of this so far, I just have a small pile of parts sitting in my shop to show for it.? I have a total of four 1100mm crosscut fences now, all damaged in oneway or another, marred, scarred, and/or dented.? They are messed up.? Along with all of the accessory parts that go with each crosscut fence. ??
I have three rip fence assembly support/guide wheels.? They keep sending me a guide wheel, to fix the bouncy one I had originally received with the machine. ??It¡¯s the exact same wheel each time, and it¡¯s still bouncing!? Someone on here mentioned they received a new replacement wheel and it worked for them.? Felder claims the new wheel design is made of different material.? They are sending me another one, oh boy!
I have a rip fence that still will not calibrate along the support bar.? I have completely removed and reinstalled this three times now.? It seems to be garbage to me.? I set my rip fence to 10¡± using the measure scale, make a cut, it measures 10¡±.? Set it at 20¡± or 30¡± and its off.? Scale issue, bar issue?? I don¡¯t know. ?
My question to you all.? Do you know If there is a commissioning service out there for hire, other than Felder?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
Since the X-roll came out any attachment to the slider has to have the P-channel configuration. The backside of the cast iron table still has the F-channel configuration and as such, F-channel accessories are still required to fit there. Felder makes aluminum extension tables to fit the P-channel slider extrusion, just exchange one of your cast iron ones for the proper unit.
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This is good information. I wish that I was informed about?this when I ordered these things and why am I not being filled in during my countless inquiries to Felder. Did I buy the wrong supports? I would like to find out more on how to get them to work, if possible.?
Thanks for your help.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027 Hi Ed,
F coupling was replaced with P coupling with Xroll around 2004. You can still get extension tables that mate with P coupling. My 2001 KF700 has F coupling so I had to purchase P coupling, when I got K975 with xroll, so I could continue to use Aigner pressure modules.
Alternatively, John Kee, made 2 simple P couplings out of ply wood and attached a steel bar between them. This way he can use F channel accessories on Xroll.
I believe David Best has machined P couplings to hold some accessories. ? I feel your pain pain Wade. I could only imagine the frustration you're experiencing. I can relate to the difficult communications with the Felder folks. I have had a few of my own but is pale in comparison.
On a different note, has anyone else ordered a saw recently and notice that it does not include any F coupling bars on the slider? I ordered extra F channel supports and have no way to attach them to my slider. My old K700 that I ordered over 20 years ago came with a connecting bar that ran almost the entire length of the slider. One would think that the new saws would come with these or that the salesman would simply add it to your saw when ordering your unit with support extensions. One of my extensions fits nicely on the rear of my unit and the other is a very expensive paper weight. I was told that they would make good on this and send me the appropriate slider attachments. Unfortunately, this has fallen between the cracks when dealing with my other issues. Communications has been frustrating and exhausting.?
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027 On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 12:17 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I am surprised that you didn¡¯t get any results contacting Ruan, did you ever call him and talk to him? Emails can be ¡°avoided¡± too easily at times. As for commissioning, I¡¯ve helped several folks locally over the years, but haven¡¯t heard of any independent contractor types out there doing it.
If the rip fence is not accurate, first and foremost, replace the scale. It¡¯s not uncommon to find scales printed incorrectly, first thing I did when I got my machine 20+years ago.?
The wheel, what size diameter, width and hole size are they? McMaster has a lot of options, I would see if you can get a replacement that works better.
?
Hello FOG members,
I want to thank David Best & Brain Lamb for passing on the contact info to me for the President of Felder.? In hopes to get my issues resolved a bit quicker, maybe.? I wasn¡¯t real confident I¡¯d hear from him, and that still holds true as of today.? Not one comment from him.? And this is after numerous emails now, since now he has been included on each email contact with Tech support. ?
I received a brand new K700S back on January 3rd, and as of today it¡¯s still not 100% operational.? I guess I received the ¡°lemon¡± for this batch of saws!?
Many on going issues with the saw.? I¡¯ve been back and forth with tech support since day one.? I¡¯m telling you the left hand doesn¡¯t talk to the right in this company!? After many months of this so far, I just have a small pile of parts sitting in my shop to show for it.? I have a total of four 1100mm crosscut fences now, all damaged in oneway or another, marred, scarred, and/or dented.? They are messed up.? Along with all of the accessory parts that go with each crosscut fence. ??
I have three rip fence assembly support/guide wheels.? They keep sending me a guide wheel, to fix the bouncy one I had originally received with the machine. ??It¡¯s the exact same wheel each time, and it¡¯s still bouncing!? Someone on here mentioned they received a new replacement wheel and it worked for them.? Felder claims the new wheel design is made of different material.? They are sending me another one, oh boy!
I have a rip fence that still will not calibrate along the support bar.? I have completely removed and reinstalled this three times now.? It seems to be garbage to me.? I set my rip fence to 10¡± using the measure scale, make a cut, it measures 10¡±.? Set it at 20¡± or 30¡± and its off.? Scale issue, bar issue?? I don¡¯t know. ?
My question to you all.? Do you know If there is a commissioning service out there for hire, other than Felder?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
This is good information. I wish that I was informed about?this when I ordered these things and why am I not being filled in during my countless inquiries to Felder. Did I buy the wrong supports? I would like to find out more on how to get them to work, if possible.?
Thanks for your help.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027
Hi Ed,
F coupling was replaced with P coupling with Xroll around 2004. You can still get extension tables that mate with P coupling. My 2001 KF700 has F coupling so I had to purchase P coupling, when I got K975 with xroll, so I could continue to use Aigner pressure modules.
Alternatively, John Kee, made 2 simple P couplings out of ply wood and attached a steel bar between them. This way he can use F channel accessories on Xroll.
I believe David Best has machined P couplings to hold some accessories. ? I feel your pain pain Wade. I could only imagine the frustration you're experiencing. I can relate to the difficult communications with the Felder folks. I have had a few of my own but is pale in comparison.
On a different note, has anyone else ordered a saw recently and notice that it does not include any F coupling bars on the slider? I ordered extra F channel supports and have no way to attach them to my slider. My old K700 that I ordered over 20 years ago came with a connecting bar that ran almost the entire length of the slider. One would think that the new saws would come with these or that the salesman would simply add it to your saw when ordering your unit with support extensions. One of my extensions fits nicely on the rear of my unit and the other is a very expensive paper weight. I was told that they would make good on this and send me the appropriate slider attachments. Unfortunately, this has fallen between the cracks when dealing with my other issues. Communications has been frustrating and exhausting.?
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027 On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 12:17 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I am surprised that you didn¡¯t get any results contacting Ruan, did you ever call him and talk to him? Emails can be ¡°avoided¡± too easily at times. As for commissioning, I¡¯ve helped several folks locally over the years, but haven¡¯t heard of any independent contractor types out there doing it.
If the rip fence is not accurate, first and foremost, replace the scale. It¡¯s not uncommon to find scales printed incorrectly, first thing I did when I got my machine 20+years ago.?
The wheel, what size diameter, width and hole size are they? McMaster has a lot of options, I would see if you can get a replacement that works better.
?
Hello FOG members,
I want to thank David Best & Brain Lamb for passing on the contact info to me for the President of Felder.? In hopes to get my issues resolved a bit quicker, maybe.? I wasn¡¯t real confident I¡¯d hear from him, and that still holds true as of today.? Not one comment from him.? And this is after numerous emails now, since now he has been included on each email contact with Tech support. ?
I received a brand new K700S back on January 3rd, and as of today it¡¯s still not 100% operational.? I guess I received the ¡°lemon¡± for this batch of saws!
Many on going issues with the saw.? I¡¯ve been back and forth with tech support since day one.? I¡¯m telling you the left hand doesn¡¯t talk to the right in this company!? After many months of this so far, I just have a small pile of parts sitting in my shop to show for it.? I have a total of four 1100mm crosscut fences now, all damaged in oneway or another, marred, scarred, and/or dented.? They are messed up.? Along with all of the accessory parts that go with each crosscut fence. ??
I have three rip fence assembly support/guide wheels.? They keep sending me a guide wheel, to fix the bouncy one I had originally received with the machine. ??It¡¯s the exact same wheel each time, and it¡¯s still bouncing!? Someone on here mentioned they received a new replacement wheel and it worked for them.? Felder claims the new wheel design is made of different material.? They are sending me another one, oh boy!
I have a rip fence that still will not calibrate along the support bar.? I have completely removed and reinstalled this three times now.? It seems to be garbage to me.? I set my rip fence to 10¡± using the measure scale, make a cut, it measures 10¡±.? Set it at 20¡± or 30¡± and its off.? Scale issue, bar issue?? I don¡¯t know. ?
My question to you all.? Do you know If there is a commissioning service out there for hire, other than Felder?
Thank You,
Wade
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Thank you for your comments.? I agree with you.? I just wanted to point out that Xtract is a mesh like Abranet (which has been my preferred for years).? I'm not sure Xtract works better, but it works just as well--neither leaves any significant dust anywhere other than in my? dust extractor which is of benefit to both the surface being sanded and my lungs.? Jeff
My opinion is that the test is a valuable datapoint. While a significant effort was made to reduce confounding variables?by the use of a sanding machine (more on this in a moment) to control for pressure and time, a limitation of the test results was that they can really only be applicable for?one type of wood. The effect on different hardness ?of wood types, as well as grain orientation, might deliver different results.
Further, the test results focus on only one element of sanding, which is amount of waste. This is similar to video of woodworkers taking gorgeous, gossamer shavings with a handplane, which are then held up for ¡°proof¡± of the performance of the plane or blade. The real test is the quality of the surface on the wood which is left behind in association with the stated grit along with the time to do this and the distance the paper can go.?This kind of result requires a prodigious amount of experimentation and experimentation time. Consequently, what we have here is a partial data point for the wood involved.
The other interesting factor for me was the way the machine moved. The pattern is familiar to me as I use this, having learned to do so from car detailers using polishing machines on the bodies of cars to buff paint. The ¡°criss cross¡± pattern ensures even coverage. I do wonder how many woodworkers who sand regularly do this as well.
I should point out that, while I have been sanding wood for 40 years, my go-to is a handplane (better surface and more efficient). I do have sanders from both Festool and Mirka, and my preferred paper is Mirka Abranet. What I like about Abranet is that the mesh permits maximum dust extraction, and that this reduces dust scratches, and so improves both efficiency and surface quality.?
Regards from Perth
Derek
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My opinion is that the test is a valuable datapoint. While a significant effort was made to reduce confounding variables?by the use of a sanding machine (more on this in a moment) to control for pressure and time, a limitation of the test results was that they can really only be applicable for?one type of wood. The effect on different hardness ?of wood types, as well as grain orientation, might deliver different results.
Further, the test results focus on only one element of sanding, which is amount of waste. This is similar to video of woodworkers taking gorgeous, gossamer shavings with a handplane, which are then held up for ¡°proof¡± of the performance of the plane or blade. The real test is the quality of the surface on the wood which is left behind in association with the stated grit along with the time to do this and the distance the paper can go.?This kind of result requires a prodigious amount of experimentation and experimentation time. Consequently, what we have here is a partial data point for the wood involved.
The other interesting factor for me was the way the machine moved. The pattern is familiar to me as I use this, having learned to do so from car detailers using polishing machines on the bodies of cars to buff paint. The ¡°criss cross¡± pattern ensures even coverage. I do wonder how many woodworkers who sand regularly do this as well.
I should point out that, while I have been sanding wood for 40 years, my go-to is a handplane (better surface and more efficient). I do have sanders from both Festool and Mirka, and my preferred paper is Mirka Abranet. What I like about Abranet is that the mesh permits maximum dust extraction, and that this reduces dust scratches, and so improves both efficiency and surface quality.?
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
Hi Ed,
F coupling was replaced with P coupling with Xroll around 2004. You can still get extension tables that mate with P coupling. My 2001 KF700 has F coupling so I had to purchase P coupling, when I got K975 with xroll, so I could continue to use Aigner pressure modules.
Alternatively, John Kee, made 2 simple P couplings out of ply wood and attached a steel bar between them. This way he can use F channel accessories on Xroll.
I believe David Best has machined P couplings to hold some accessories.
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 9:29 PM, Edward Cohen <ecohentoo@...> wrote: ? I feel your pain pain Wade. I could only imagine the frustration you're experiencing. I can relate to the difficult communications with the Felder folks. I have had a few of my own but is pale in comparison.
On a different note, has anyone else ordered a saw recently and notice that it does not include any F coupling bars on the slider? I ordered extra F channel supports and have no way to attach them to my slider. My old K700 that I ordered over 20 years ago came with a connecting bar that ran almost the entire length of the slider. One would think that the new saws would come with these or that the salesman would simply add it to your saw when ordering your unit with support extensions. One of my extensions fits nicely on the rear of my unit and the other is a very expensive paper weight. I was told that they would make good on this and send me the appropriate slider attachments. Unfortunately, this has fallen between the cracks when dealing with my other issues. Communications has been frustrating and exhausting.?
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027 On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 12:17 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I am surprised that you didn¡¯t get any results contacting Ruan, did you ever call him and talk to him? Emails can be ¡°avoided¡± too easily at times. As for commissioning, I¡¯ve helped several folks locally over the years, but haven¡¯t heard of any independent contractor types out there doing it.
If the rip fence is not accurate, first and foremost, replace the scale. It¡¯s not uncommon to find scales printed incorrectly, first thing I did when I got my machine 20+years ago.?
The wheel, what size diameter, width and hole size are they? McMaster has a lot of options, I would see if you can get a replacement that works better.
?
Hello FOG members,
I want to thank David Best & Brain Lamb for passing on the contact info to me for the President of Felder.? In hopes to get my issues resolved a bit quicker, maybe.? I wasn¡¯t real confident I¡¯d hear from him, and that still holds true as of today.? Not one comment from him.? And this is after numerous emails now, since now he has been included on each email contact with Tech support. ?
I received a brand new K700S back on January 3rd, and as of today it¡¯s still not 100% operational.? I guess I received the ¡°lemon¡± for this batch of saws!
Many on going issues with the saw.? I¡¯ve been back and forth with tech support since day one.? I¡¯m telling you the left hand doesn¡¯t talk to the right in this company!? After many months of this so far, I just have a small pile of parts sitting in my shop to show for it.? I have a total of four 1100mm crosscut fences now, all damaged in oneway or another, marred, scarred, and/or dented.? They are messed up.? Along with all of the accessory parts that go with each crosscut fence. ??
I have three rip fence assembly support/guide wheels.? They keep sending me a guide wheel, to fix the bouncy one I had originally received with the machine. ??It¡¯s the exact same wheel each time, and it¡¯s still bouncing!? Someone on here mentioned they received a new replacement wheel and it worked for them.? Felder claims the new wheel design is made of different material.? They are sending me another one, oh boy!
I have a rip fence that still will not calibrate along the support bar.? I have completely removed and reinstalled this three times now.? It seems to be garbage to me.? I set my rip fence to 10¡± using the measure scale, make a cut, it measures 10¡±.? Set it at 20¡± or 30¡± and its off.? Scale issue, bar issue?? I don¡¯t know. ?
My question to you all.? Do you know If there is a commissioning service out there for hire, other than Felder?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
I feel your pain pain Wade. I could only imagine the frustration you're experiencing. I can relate to the difficult communications with the Felder folks. I have had a few of my own but is pale in comparison.
On a different note, has anyone else ordered a saw recently and notice that it does not include any F coupling bars on the slider? I ordered extra F channel supports and have no way to attach them to my slider. My old K700 that I ordered over 20 years ago came with a connecting bar that ran almost the entire length of the slider. One would think that the new saws would come with these or that the salesman would simply add it to your saw when ordering your unit with support extensions. One of my extensions fits nicely on the rear of my unit and the other is a very expensive paper weight. I was told that they would make good on this and send me the appropriate slider attachments. Unfortunately, this has fallen between the cracks when dealing with my other issues. Communications has been frustrating and exhausting.?
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01027
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 12:17 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I am surprised that you didn¡¯t get any results contacting Ruan, did you ever call him and talk to him? Emails can be ¡°avoided¡± too easily at times. As for commissioning, I¡¯ve helped several folks locally over the years, but haven¡¯t heard of any independent contractor types out there doing it.
If the rip fence is not accurate, first and foremost, replace the scale. It¡¯s not uncommon to find scales printed incorrectly, first thing I did when I got my machine 20+years ago.?
The wheel, what size diameter, width and hole size are they? McMaster has a lot of options, I would see if you can get a replacement that works better.
?
Hello FOG members,
I want to thank David Best & Brain Lamb for passing on the contact info to me for the President of Felder.? In hopes to get my issues resolved a bit quicker, maybe.? I wasn¡¯t real confident I¡¯d hear from him, and that still holds true as of today.? Not one comment from him.? And this is after numerous emails now, since now he has been included on each email contact with Tech support. ?
I received a brand new K700S back on January 3rd, and as of today it¡¯s still not 100% operational.? I guess I received the ¡°lemon¡± for this batch of saws!
Many on going issues with the saw.? I¡¯ve been back and forth with tech support since day one.? I¡¯m telling you the left hand doesn¡¯t talk to the right in this company!? After many months of this so far, I just have a small pile of parts sitting in my shop to show for it.? I have a total of four 1100mm crosscut fences now, all damaged in oneway or another, marred, scarred, and/or dented.? They are messed up.? Along with all of the accessory parts that go with each crosscut fence. ??
I have three rip fence assembly support/guide wheels.? They keep sending me a guide wheel, to fix the bouncy one I had originally received with the machine. ??It¡¯s the exact same wheel each time, and it¡¯s still bouncing!? Someone on here mentioned they received a new replacement wheel and it worked for them.? Felder claims the new wheel design is made of different material.? They are sending me another one, oh boy!
I have a rip fence that still will not calibrate along the support bar.? I have completely removed and reinstalled this three times now.? It seems to be garbage to me.? I set my rip fence to 10¡± using the measure scale, make a cut, it measures 10¡±.? Set it at 20¡± or 30¡± and its off.? Scale issue, bar issue?? I don¡¯t know. ?
My question to you all.? Do you know If there is a commissioning service out there for hire, other than Felder?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: How do you store your Lamb Tool Works Parallel Fence?
I¡¯ll play with the 3D printer and see what I come up with¡.
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:22 PM, PK < pk@...> wrote:
Brian,
I see an accessory for sale from you in the near future?
I am a buyer!? Just like the wall mounts for Mac's clamps, I feel they could be a great addition for people like me with a smaller shop.
PK
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Re: How do you store your Lamb Tool Works Parallel Fence?
Brian,
I see an accessory for sale from you in the near future?
I am a buyer!? Just like the wall mounts for Mac's clamps, I feel they could be a great addition for people like me with a smaller shop.
PK
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Re: How do you store your Lamb Tool Works Parallel Fence?
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Does this count? My saw is in the middle of the room, clustered with the sawstop, jointer, and bandsaw.? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Hi Bob,
VFD¡¯s would work¡ but a few questions. What size motors, I¡¯m assuming you already have three phase, are you wanting to continue to use three phase or convert to single phase input using the VFD to convert to three phase? Do you also have a separate scoring motor or is it belt driven, if you even have scoring?
Two VFD¡¯s would eliminate a lot of issues in the stock Felder electrical system. You could wire one motor to each VFD, use the e-stop and start string for both VFD¡¯s and that would eliminate the whole selector switch portion of the machine. You do of course double the cost of the VFD¡¯s and depending upon the size of the motors, that may or may not be much of an issue.
Nice thing about two would be that you could set a pretty aggressive stop time on the saw, and the shaper as well if you used a braking resistor on the one for the shaper. The internal braking on most vfd¡¯s wouldn¡¯t be adequate to stop heavy shaper tooling in less than 5-10 seconds.
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Robert Johnson < woodewe@...> wrote:
When my vintage 2004 KF500 S did not apply braking to the saw blade, I contacted Felder for help.? In a series of e-mails with Timothy Kennedy at Felder Group USA, I received the bad news that the repair is expensive.? My electrical system is obsolete, and no parts are available.? To restore braking, a new main populated circuit board is required and that requires a technician come and rewire my machine.? The total labor and travel estimated cost alone was $4,374.94.
? The saw is useable and like most table saws,let the blade coast to a stop.? Although the braking feature is highly desirable, the cost of repair is too much.? The support from Timothy at Felder was quick and detailed, but had no alternative to up dating my machine.? He also sent me the schematic for my machine.? I was curious to see if a pair for VFD¡¯s could be integrated into the saw.? Other than preserving the requirement that all the microswitches are closed, perhaps the VFDs could take over motor control.? Remoting their control pads to the overhear saw guard/dust collector would give soft start and braking.? And for the shaper give forward or reverse rotation and variable speed.? The variable speed could eliminate belt changing if the torque is adequate for the job, and spindle could be run at better RPM¡¯s for router bits.
Most likely I¡¯ll live without braking but must wonder how difficult it would be to run the saw and shaper with VFD¡¯s.? Anyone have the same experience with older machines and what do you think of using VFD¡¯s?
Bob Johnson
Whidbey Island, WA
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Thank you all for the feedback. Sounds like worth trying. I also reuse discs for hand sanding. Good to know about issues with edge sanding.
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote: ? My experience is the same as Dan's. Good for flats, not great on edges. About worthless for hand sanding. It tears quite easily when you catch an edge or corner.?
It's thinner than Abranet, and doesn't slice my skin like a Chinese throwing star when I accidentally hit the edge of the spinning disc.?
Jason? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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When my vintage 2004 KF500 S did not apply braking to the saw blade, I contacted Felder for help.? In a series of e-mails with Timothy Kennedy at Felder Group USA, I received the bad news that the repair is expensive.? My electrical system is obsolete, and no parts are available.? To restore braking, a new main populated circuit board is required and that requires a technician come and rewire my machine.? The total labor and travel estimated cost alone was $4,374.94.
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The saw is useable and like most table saws,let the blade coast to a stop.? Although the braking feature is highly desirable, the cost of repair is too much.? The support from Timothy at Felder was quick and detailed, but had no alternative to up dating my machine.? He also sent me the schematic for my machine.? I was curious to see if a pair for VFD¡¯s could be integrated into the saw.? Other than preserving the requirement that all the microswitches are closed, perhaps the VFDs could take over motor control.? Remoting their control pads to the overhear saw guard/dust collector would give soft start and braking.? And for the shaper give forward or reverse rotation and variable speed.? The variable speed could eliminate belt changing if the torque is adequate for the job, and spindle could be run at better RPM¡¯s for router bits.
Most likely I¡¯ll live without braking but must wonder how difficult it would be to run the saw and shaper with VFD¡¯s.? Anyone have the same experience with older machines and what do you think of using VFD¡¯s?
Bob Johnson
Whidbey Island, WA
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Re: How do you store your Lamb Tool Works Parallel Fence?
Does this count? My saw is in the middle of the room, clustered with the sawstop, jointer, and bandsaw.? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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My experience is the same as Dan's. Good for flats, not great on edges. About worthless for hand sanding. It tears quite easily when you catch an edge or corner.?
It's thinner than Abranet, and doesn't slice my skin like a Chinese throwing star when I accidentally hit the edge of the spinning disc.?
Jason? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
I am surprised that you didn¡¯t get any results contacting Ruan, did you ever call him and talk to him? Emails can be ¡°avoided¡± too easily at times. As for commissioning, I¡¯ve helped several folks locally over the years, but haven¡¯t heard of any independent contractor types out there doing it.
If the rip fence is not accurate, first and foremost, replace the scale. It¡¯s not uncommon to find scales printed incorrectly, first thing I did when I got my machine 20+years ago.?
The wheel, what size diameter, width and hole size are they? McMaster has a lot of options, I would see if you can get a replacement that works better.
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Hello FOG members,
I want to thank David Best & Brain Lamb for passing on the contact info to me for the President of Felder. ?In hopes to get my issues resolved a bit quicker, maybe. ?I wasn¡¯t real confident I¡¯d hear from him, and that still holds true as of today. ?Not one comment from him. ?And this is after numerous emails now, since now he has been included on each email contact with Tech support. ?
I received a brand new K700S back on January 3rd, and as of today it¡¯s still not 100% operational. ?I guess I received the ¡°lemon¡± for this batch of saws!
Many on going issues with the saw. ?I¡¯ve been back and forth with tech support since day one. ?I¡¯m telling you the left hand doesn¡¯t talk to the right in this company! ?After many months of this so far, I just have a small pile of parts sitting in my shop to show for it. ?I have a total of four 1100mm crosscut fences now, all damaged in oneway or another, marred, scarred, and/or dented. ?They are messed up. ?Along with all of the accessory parts that go with each crosscut fence. ??
I have three rip fence assembly support/guide wheels. ?They keep sending me a guide wheel, to fix the bouncy one I had originally received with the machine. ??It¡¯s the exact same wheel each time, and it¡¯s still bouncing! ?Someone on here mentioned they received a new replacement wheel and it worked for them. ?Felder claims the new wheel design is made of different material. ?They are sending me another one, oh boy!
I have a rip fence that still will not calibrate along the support bar. ?I have completely removed and reinstalled this three times now. ?It seems to be garbage to me. ?I set my rip fence to 10¡± using the measure scale, make a cut, it measures 10¡±. ?Set it at 20¡± or 30¡± and its off. ?Scale issue, bar issue? ?I don¡¯t know. ?
My question to you all. ?Do you know If there is a commissioning service out there for hire, other than Felder?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: Felder customer service update on my K700S
I'd commission?the Attorney General's office and maybe get an attorney involved. And find another vendor who can supply and fulfill your needs unlike the one you previously entrusted.
Hello FOG members,
I want to thank David Best & Brain Lamb for passing on the contact info to me for the President of Felder.? In hopes to get my issues resolved a bit quicker, maybe.? I wasn¡¯t real confident I¡¯d hear from him, and that still holds true as of today.? Not one comment from him.? And this is after numerous emails now, since now he has been included on each email contact with Tech support.?
I received a brand new K700S back on January 3rd, and as of today it¡¯s still not 100% operational.? I guess I received the ¡°lemon¡± for this batch of saws!
Many on going issues with the saw.? I¡¯ve been back and forth with tech support since day one.? I¡¯m telling you the left hand doesn¡¯t talk to the right in this company!? After many months of this so far, I just have a small pile of parts sitting in my shop to show for it.? I have a total of four 1100mm crosscut fences now, all damaged in oneway or another, marred, scarred, and/or dented.? They are messed up.? Along with all of the accessory parts that go with each crosscut fence.? ?
I have three rip fence assembly support/guide wheels.? They keep sending me a guide wheel, to fix the bouncy one I had originally received with the machine.? ?It¡¯s the exact same wheel each time, and it¡¯s still bouncing!? Someone on here mentioned they received a new replacement wheel and it worked for them.? Felder claims the new wheel design is made of different material.? They are sending me another one, oh boy!
I have a rip fence that still will not calibrate along the support bar.? I have completely removed and reinstalled this three times now.? It seems to be garbage to me.? I set my rip fence to 10¡± using the measure scale, make a cut, it measures 10¡±.? Set it at 20¡± or 30¡± and its off.? Scale issue, bar issue?? I don¡¯t know.?
My question to you all.? Do you know If there is a commissioning service out there for hire, other than Felder?
Thank You,
Wade
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