If you don't make a lot of dust on a regular basis, a much cheaper alternative to the supercell with very similar capabilities is the CamVac 386-6.?I found the camvac to do an excellent job at getting chips and dust out of a Hammer B3, A3-31, cabinet saw, a 14-inch euro-style bandsaw, and even keeps the miter saw quite clean, while also keeping dust out of the air.?
The real downsides to the CamVac 386-6 vs the supercell are capacity and the full bin light but it was 1/3rd the price of the Super Cell and rolls under the wing of my B3 when not in use.
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B - This is really encouraging! ?A photo would be great! ?Part of my thinking also is that if, down the road, I end up in a space large enough I can always go bigger. ?I think I would likely be able to recoup a decent amount of the purchase price for the Supercell by selling it.
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I¡¯ve had a supercell and a3-31 in a hobby shop with a 35 gallon drum. It loses a small amount of chips and dust from a planer and small/moderate amount from an 18bx laguna band saw on resawing but it has been good to me. Not having to run duct because the static pressure can avoid a major loss through a long run of their Vacuum rated hoses is a benefit for a small shop but I tripped on hoses. Magports made changes quick though. I¡¯m adding a dust gorilla pro 5hp and ducts soon for convenience and cfm with the addition of some more serious tools (scm 21¡± bandsaw, 20¡± scm jointer/planer, and kf700sp) but there¡¯s a video of someone using a supercell with a grizzly 20 ¡° planer on YouTube, where it keeps up. I was more concerned about dual 120¡± port machines not having enough air movement.
I am keeping it, for vacuum duties, mobile or hand held small port tools like the Japanese fine toothed circ saws and groovers that are super dusty, miter saw, Mortiser, etc.
Oh, last note, On the idea that you get a bigger drum, i don¡¯t have the ceiling height for a 55 but also once I started using my band saw to rip down stock before planing to an 8th of an inch, I found myself rarely worrying about the bin filling. I do mostly slow hand tool joinery so that could be another reason I don¡¯t worry about it, with long stretches between machine work past initial milling and grooving. I should be emptying mine more regularly for safety reasons anyhow. Hope this helps.
If you want I can plane some boards and take a photo of the chips it doesn¡¯t catch on the planer bed.
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I have a V5000 that Oneida recommended because I live at 5400 ft.? Throughput has never been a problem.
"I have a 35-gallon drum on my current Oneida, and wish I had a bigger one. My thicknesser fills it up pretty fast."? ?This is true except that a bag full from the 35 gallon is about all I want to carry up from the basement, espcially if any MDF is involved.
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I looked at the V3000 which is likely the route I¡¯d go other than the Supercell. ?My dilemma there is I would still use flex hose as my space is small and I¡¯m hopefully only here for a little while longer before moving (12-24 mo). ?The accounting doesn¡¯t make sense to invest in a ducting network that will be so short lived. ?I currently have a Laguna B Flux so swapping the hose from port to port is a pain point I¡¯ve already grown numb to.
I guess the main question is for a one man shop, running 1 tool at a time, with a maximum demand of the a3-41 which is the better option for my application? ?I am going to reach out to Oneida, but also put stock in crowd sourcing an answer from all of your own experiences.
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Brett, I have a one-man hobby shop so no comparison; but it is fully piped with auto blast gates so the inconvenience is limited. I agree with John, the other elements of a complete system are a huge part of the total cost. Advantage: I actually use it now lol.
Brad
My cyclone is 30¡± x 30¡± in plan, plus the big filter. That is larger than the Supercell, but it sure works well.
I set it up with the filter close to the wall to keep it out of the way, but that was a mistake. I cannot blow down the filter on that side.
The filter is remarkably efficient. I have a ceiling-mounted air cleaner, but very rarely use it now that I have the Oneida. I still use a dust mask.
The cyclone was expensive. What surprised me was how much I spent on ducts, fittings, blast gates, and such. It was easily as much as the cost of the cyclone.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
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My cyclone is 30¡± x 30¡± in plan, plus the big filter. That is larger than the Supercell, but it sure works well. I set it up with the filter close to the wall to keep it out of the way, but that was a mistake. I cannot blow down the filter on that side. The filter is remarkably efficient. I have a ceiling-mounted air cleaner, but very rarely use it now that I have the Oneida. I still use a dust mask. The cyclone was expensive. What surprised me was how much I spent on ducts, fittings, blast gates, and such. It was easily as much as the cost of the cyclone.  -- John Hinman Boise ID K700S and A941
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Re: Garth Multipress vs Soukup Press
Soukup small joints - I just "bump" the pump for goldilocks pressure for smaller joint needs, kind of like bumping the felder digidrive to?get 0.1mm steps. Example below:?
1. Clamping a broken walking cane - clamp to deflection (hehe)
2. Pressuring?cauls to re-veneer faces on antique (and very fragile! drawer backs that were still intact - clamps plus manual helpers.
3. Re-jointing a table pedestal base.
Lots of unconventional uses in our unconventional restoration shop.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:11 PM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon= [email protected]> wrote: Dave, true you can turn down the pressure. You can also feather the button for less pressure. This is tricky so probably better to turn it down.
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I think if small runs don't annoy you with bin-filling/emptying cycles, and you don't mind moving the active ports to your machines, and you run 1 tool at a time, the supercell will probably be great.
I wanted to buy one but in the end went with another cyclone setup because I needed the ability to do area air exchanges (cfm!) and multiple tools running at multiples times, and I had available 3 phase to plug into but needed to run another 220/1ph circuit to accommodate the supercell.?
The reality of a cyclone pushing 4x more processed air through a space is definitely a consideration compared to chip collection of high-suction at the source.?
I built my own cyclone setup using a 2HP blower and oneida 6 cyclone thinking I would save money. But in the end, I think it would have been better to just buy the Supercell. From a practicality point of view I think the Supercell is incredible for anyone working in a small shop / garage shop. Having a single machine that can handle dust collection from big machines and smaller ones is something I totally underestimated at the time and I am now stuck with a Festool vac?+ the cyclone. Without counting my time, I think I saved 400-500$ and my setup is way less efficient. Not worth it.
Moral of the story: if my house ever burned down, I will go SuperCell for all my tooling.?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:35 AM celestialgazer2001 < bradpj53@...> wrote: ?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.
Brd
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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I built my own cyclone setup using a 2HP blower and oneida 6 cyclone thinking I would save money. But in the end, I think it would have been better to just buy the Supercell. From a practicality point of view I think the Supercell is incredible for anyone working in a small shop / garage shop. Having a single machine that can handle dust collection from big machines and smaller ones is something I totally underestimated at the time and I am now stuck with a Festool vac?+ the cyclone. Without counting my time, I think I saved 400-500$ and my setup is way less efficient. Not worth it.
Moral of the story: if my house ever burned down, I will go SuperCell for all my tooling.?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:35 AM celestialgazer2001 < bradpj53@...> wrote: ?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.
Brd
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?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.
Brd
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I don¡¯t think it takes a huge DC to pull chips out of the thicknesser. My old Delta was enough for that. Get the biggest drum you can get. I have a 35-gallon drum on my current Oneida, and wish I had a bigger one. My thicknesser fills it up pretty fast.
Even though the cyclone does a good job separating particles from air, you¡¯ll still be cleaning the filter regularly. I don¡¯t know what the Supercell filter is like, or how long you can go before you have to pull it out to clean. I have a large cylindrical filter, and can go a while.
if I had it to do over I would try to find a way to put the machine outside. It is quite noisy.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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I¡¯ll second all the suggestions for the Keller - mostly for it¡¯s simplicity. ?I¡¯ve owned the PC and sold it. ?I also own and have used once (only) the? Leigh DR4 - which is great if you?want?variable spaced dovetails and don¡¯t mind complexity. ?If anyone wants a complete like new?Leigh setup with every conceivable router bit for it, DM me.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Jun 12, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
I second the Keller for it's simplicity. However for just a drawer or two I use table saw/bandsaw method that doesn't require a specially ground blade. Just uses your dado stack. It's super flexible and allows for spacing however you like, even uneven. Looks hand cut. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I¡¯ve recently taken delivery of my A3-41 and I need to upgrade my dust collection. ?As a pure hobbyist currently working out of a small garage I don¡¯t have a lot of space to spare. ?I have been intrigued by the Supercell but I worry it wont be able to keep up with the JP or the dual port bandsaw. ?In your opinions will the supercell be sufficient? If not what would be a more viable option?
Cheers!
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Re: Garth Multipress vs Soukup Press
Dave, true you can turn down the pressure. You can also feather the button for less pressure. This is tricky so probably better to turn it down.
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I second the Keller for it's simplicity. However for just a drawer or two I use table saw/bandsaw method that doesn't require a specially ground blade. Just uses your dado stack. It's super flexible and allows for spacing however you like, even uneven. Looks hand cut. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Garth Multipress vs Soukup Press
Joe, ? "The Barth though would be better for cabinet doors as it¡¯s easy to crush these on a hydraulic press"? ? Can't you dial down the pressure when making cabinet doors?? Thanks, Dave
Neat pictures, Joe!
It is fascinating to get a glimpse of of what ¡°pros¡± do, and how they do it.
Thanks!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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318-219-7868
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Re: Garth Multipress vs Soukup Press
Neat pictures, Joe!
It is fascinating to get a glimpse of of what ¡°pros¡± do, and how they do it.
Thanks!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Garth Multipress vs Soukup Press
I assembled and used a Barth when we set up the window shop in Bhutan. And have had the Soukup press in my shop for a couple months now. Disclaimer- I am part owner in Soukup NA but will try to give a honest evaluation of both.
The Soukup is heavy duty industrial and will take up more room for height. It¡¯s not something you would ever put on wheels. Also a bit of a chore to move into a shop. It comes with special lifting devices that allow unloading and moving with a forklift. The squaring beam and all the clamps are shipped horizontally on the back of the unit. These are heavy and you will need a forklift or overhead hoist to assemble on to the clamp. I could not drive the forklift to where it¡¯s located in my shop and a bit of a chore to move with 2 palet jacks.
The Barth can be assembled without a forklift or hoist but squaring it up is a bit of a chore. I don¡¯t know if they stay in square if you roll it around much. The hand hydraulic clamps on the Barth are ok for windows but weak on entry doors. The Barth though would be better for cabinet doors as it¡¯s easy to crush these on a hydraulic press. I have the grid table on mine that should be good for small work. I¡¯m using the Soukup press a lot for edge gluing and the flatener works well for this. I think Barth has a similar option. I¡¯m actually selling my JLT panel clamp because I don¡¯t see a need for it anymore. One thing both of these presses would work for is assembling dovetail drawers. We did this all the time on the Italpress. I do have the Italpress for sale if anyone is interested. Not quite as versatile as the Barth or Soukup but very powerful especially for entry doors.
I would say if you have room in the shop and means to unload it the Soukup is a better deal. I see the Barth more for a home shop or artisan shop that is limited for space. Here¡¯s a few photos from the last couple months.
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Re: Thoughts on the Router Spindle for Felder shapers?
Joe,
Do you have a sample picture of the kind of rosette you are making on shaper. I am not following how this is done w/o rotating the rosette blank.
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On Jun 12, 2022, at 7:48 PM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote: ? Alex, thanks for the nice comments! I only used the shaper to make rosettes this one time after many failed attempts on my little vintage delta lathe. I normally hand turn these to match old ones if the quantity is less than 15 or 20. The Delta handles small rosettes fine but these were just a little big. Ideally for these is a milling machine or better yet a heavy old school pattern lathe. With that you could sand in the same operation.I got the router shaft for the old T23 shaper even though it is my slowest shaft change as about 4 minutes or so because the manual fence will move behind the shaft. I don¡¯t use it a lot but handy for odd things.Tom, the tooling is Amana. It¡¯s a head that accepts different patterns. Vexor in Denver makes a nice rosette cutter with interchangeable insert knives for custom patterns. You need something more than a drill press or light duty lathe to run these.
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