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Here is my favorite of the registry group photos taken last Saturday.?

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Here is my favorite of the registry group photos taken last Saturday.?

Enjoy!

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On Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 7:22 PM, Tony Avak <avakar@...> wrote:

Here is my favorite of the registry group photos taken last Saturday.?

Enjoy!

Tony

Was at a junkyard yesterday picking up my interior trim. Asked the owner(84 years old) if he had anymore Torino’s/Fairlanes. He said he had four or five one being a two owner 68 Fairlane 500 four door sedan. Dash was in ok shape as was the dash spear. He said he would sell the spear but wasn’t crazy about the idea of removing the dash. One hour or so later I had the dash removed and the spear out. Attaching picture of the 68 spear along with my orginal spear from my 69. All the post match up and I can’t tell any different from the two spears other than color differences. Interesting the blue of the 68 spear has a teal / fluorescent tint to it.?

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On Jun 19, 2023, at 7:06 PM, Dennis Bregitzer <dennis.bregitzer@...> wrote:

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 8:02 PM Linc <linc@...> wrote:

That is one of the best ones I have seen.

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On Mon, 2023-06-19 at 19:51 -0400, Dennis Bregitzer wrote:

Here is the original spear on my car. It's NOT the new one painted. Some pictures of it, if it?helps.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 2:37 PM Linc <linc@...> wrote:

So here are a bunch of pictures of a 1968 Spear.? We often say they are black, and they are. But

since I have NEVER seen an NOS one I am not certain I belive that.? If you look closely at the pictures

attached you will see that there are remnants of argent on either side of the rib. This leads me to

believe that there was likely not a completely black background.? I have two others that look

very similar to this.?

I know that they are different, I just don't know how much they are different.? I could be that the

68 units just did not hold up, so a change was made in 69 to help with that.? I doubt that would

be the whole story.? I say this because the guages were black in 68 and silver in 69, so I feel like

some of the spear changes are going to be tied to that.

So if you ever get to see a perfect one (I know they exist) take pictures for me.? I know the NPD

car is supposed to be like new. But I have never seen it.?

Hope this helps.?

On Jun 19, 2023, at 7:06 PM, Dennis Bregitzer <dennis.bregitzer@...> wrote:

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 8:02 PM Linc <linc@...> wrote:

That is one of the best ones I have seen.

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On Mon, 2023-06-19 at 19:51 -0400, Dennis Bregitzer wrote:

Here is the original spear on my car. It's NOT the new one painted. Some pictures of it, if it?helps.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 2:37 PM Linc <linc@...> wrote:

So here are a bunch of pictures of a 1968 Spear.? We often say they are black, and they are. But

since I have NEVER seen an NOS one I am not certain I belive that.? If you look closely at the pictures

attached you will see that there are remnants of argent on either side of the rib. This leads me to

believe that there was likely not a completely black background.? I have two others that look

very similar to this.?

I know that they are different, I just don't know how much they are different.? I could be that the

68 units just did not hold up, so a change was made in 69 to help with that.? I doubt that would

be the whole story.? I say this because the guages were black in 68 and silver in 69, so I feel like

some of the spear changes are going to be tied to that.

So if you ever get to see a perfect one (I know they exist) take pictures for me.? I know the NPD

car is supposed to be like new. But I have never seen it.?

Hope this helps.?

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On Fri, 2023-06-16 at 22:06 -0600, Will wrote:

Thanks for the photo. Yeah, I wasn't looking for 100% concours restoration on my car. I went with more of a restomod. Built it the way I wanted it, but kept it in the original colors when my Mom bought it new. It's nice to know how the spear is supposed to look, if I ever decide to redo it. Thanks again!?

I added a photo of it too. I'm hoping to get it to the Nationals one day!

Will

Denver, CO

On Jun 16, 2023 6:19 PM, "D. Hadley via " <dhadley390=[email protected]> wrote:

Will they will interchange in the sense that they will both "bolt up"/fit in the same location and serve the same function.
But a 100% correct interchange, no, because of the asthetics differences.

In the attached pic (which is a side view) of my original '68 dash and spear. Soom in and you can just make out some of the delamination/lifting
of the plastic lamination in spots (looks wavy) on the spear. Sorry, at the moment I don't have any other good pics of any of my '68 spears.

David from WNY

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 07:21:17 PM EDT, Will <wl1968@...> wrote:

Thanks David. I had no clue they were different. Always thought they were the same.?

Will

Denver, CO

On Jun 16, 2023 12:20 PM, "D. Hadley via " <dhadley390=[email protected]> wrote:

Will, the original '68 spear is a laminated piece where the raised ridge down the center is chrome with the Red, White, Blue marking on the right end.
Then the recessed/non-raised part is black. Then there is a clear protective plastic laminated over all of it. Though I don't know IF this clear section
is also how they applied the black or not. I don't know, but don't think so.

IIRC the '69 is for the most part the same as the '68, just the recessed/non-raised portion is argent/silver instead of black and I don't think
It is laminated, but can't remember.

Years ago I bought the repo silver(argent/chrome) '69 spear as a spare and had planned at sometime to attempt to paint it black like the '68.

David from WNY

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 08:52:14 AM EDT, Will <wl1968@...> wrote:

Oh ok, thanks. I never knew they were supposed to be black. My father had the one in my car replaced years ago with one from a Ranchero. Don't know if he replaced the spear with one from a '69 or not. It's always been bright like chrome since I was little. I'm just gonna leave it, I like it like that.?

Will

Denver, CO

On Jun 16, 2023 4:31 AM, "D. Hadley via " <dhadley390=[email protected]> wrote:

Will, ,Linc is talking about the long spear mounted on the dash pad above the glovebox. And from my understanding, those who have attempted to correctly paint it black for the '68s have not had much luck as once the masking tape is removed the black paint doesn't stay on the part.?

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 03:38:09 PM EDT, Will <wl1968@...> wrote:

You must not be talking about the trim over the glove box. Sorry Linc, that's what I thought you were looking for.?

Will

Denver, CO

On Jun 14, 2023 12:38 PM, Linc <linc@...> wrote:

That is a 69 spear, 68 is black and looks slightly different.? I know I can paint it.. but I just didn't want to do that.

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On Wed, 2023-06-14 at 06:42 -0600, Will wrote:

Autokrafters sells the dash spear for $69. I bought one for mine a few years ago.

Will

Denver, CO

On Jun 14, 2023 5:00 AM, Linc <linc@...> wrote:

I bougth one but have not seen it yet. Since my car isn't really 'correct' and is more of

a tribute car, I didn't think it would matter much.? Now if only someone would make a?

68 dash spear.... a guy can dream I suppose

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On Tue, 2023-06-13 at 22:58 -0400, Tony Avak wrote:

Someone is making a reproduction of the dash pads for our '68-'69 cars.?

Right now it's available from Top Flight Automotive for just over $500.?

Here's a nice review of the pad for anyone who may be interested.? They

are not concours correct, but for a restomod or daily fun driver it

looks amazing.? Marty, you get a nice shout out in the video, too!

Tony

On Jun 27, 2023, at 7:34 PM, D. Hadley via groups.io <dhadley390@...> wrote:

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Jim, my early build (Nov '67) '68 Fairlane 500 4 door, Dark Blue, has the chrome metal trim right above the door panel. Then above the trim is the metal top of the door painted the light blue of the interior. The seat covers/interior are/is 2 tone blue. Attached is a pic. Don't know if this helps any.

David from WNY

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 12:19:27 PM EDT, Jim Volmert <jimmyvolmert@...> wrote:

I am (back to) trying to verify if 69 Cobra formal roofs came with the chrome door strip above the door panels.

I first noticed in 2002 at the Fairlane Nationals in St Louis that mine and Jon Huntley did not have the chrome trim but the other (sportsroof) Cobras did. I addressed the question shortly after in an email with Jon.

He stated that the Cobra formal roofs were based off the base Fairlane 65A body style. The Cobra sportsroof were based on Fairlane 500 63B body style. The reasoning (obviously) the two Cobra versions weren’t based off the same model was the base Fairlane wasn’t offered as a sportsroof model.

Based on that email it was my understanding the base Fairlane didn’t have the chrome trim and the Fairlane 500 did. Even though the sportsroof Cobras didn't use the Fairlane 500 standard door panels (inheriting the base Fairlane door panels instead) the chrome strip remained.

Ford literature also shows the chrome strip on Fairlane 500’s and not on the base Fairlane. Pictures attached.

I asked Warren Mansfield (FCA 68-69 tech editor) the question. He he wasn’t sure although his formal roof Cobra (which he bought new) did come with the trim. I follow the major car auctions and the Cobras that are sold. The majority of the formal roofs have the trim although that doesn’t mean they originally came with them. Larry Slevin’s twenty thousand mile triple black formal roof car (since sold) that was featured many times in articles and a multiple award winner does not have the trim.

I was also told that Kansas City built formal roof Cobras did not come with the trim but Atlanta built cars did. So I am really confused. To add to the mystery I am adding some pictures from a 69 Fairlane that was sold this year at Meecum. Sold as an all orginal car with fourteen thousand miles. It has the chrome trim.

I am not trying to make my car a concourse correct car. At this point I am more curious than anything. Any insights and/or the answer would be appreciated.

Jim of MO

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On Sunday, June 25, 2023, 11:19 AM, Jim Volmert <jimmyvolmert@...> wrote:

I am (back to) trying to verify if 69 Cobra formal roofs came with the chrome door strip above the door panels.

I first noticed in 2002 at the Fairlane Nationals in St Louis that mine and Jon Huntley did not have the chrome trim but the other (sportsroof) Cobras did. I addressed the question shortly after in an email with Jon.

He stated that the Cobra formal roofs were based off the base Fairlane 65A body style. The Cobra sportsroof were based on Fairlane 500 63B body style. The reasoning (obviously) the two Cobra versions weren’t based off the same model was the base Fairlane wasn’t offered as a sportsroof model.

Based on that email it was my understanding the base Fairlane didn’t have the chrome trim and the Fairlane 500 did. Even though the sportsroof Cobras didn't use the Fairlane 500 standard door panels (inheriting the base Fairlane door panels instead) the chrome strip remained.

Ford literature also shows the chrome strip on Fairlane 500’s and not on the base Fairlane. Pictures attached.

I asked Warren Mansfield (FCA 68-69 tech editor) the question. He he wasn’t sure although his formal roof Cobra (which he bought new) did come with the trim. I follow the major car auctions and the Cobras that are sold. The majority of the formal roofs have the trim although that doesn’t mean they originally came with them. Larry Slevin’s twenty thousand mile triple black formal roof car (since sold) that was featured many times in articles and a multiple award winner does not have the trim.

I was also told that Kansas City built formal roof Cobras did not come with the trim but Atlanta built cars did. So I am really confused. To add to the mystery I am adding some pictures from a 69 Fairlane that was sold this year at Meecum. Sold as an all orginal car with fourteen thousand miles. It has the chrome trim.

I am not trying to make my car a concourse correct car. At this point I am more curious than anything. Any insights and/or the answer would be appreciated.

Jim of MO

On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:31 PM, jay Rush <jrush69gt@...> wrote:

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David are you coming to Nats?

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 7:19 PM D. Hadley via <dhadley390=[email protected]> wrote:

Jim,

I did some looking on Auto Krafter's site. When I entered '69 Torino, 2 door they claim 2 pads and not much options. I had better luck selecting Fairlane, 2 door, hardtop, auto, co!umn. It looked like just a single pad and did have black. I added the extra backing for better heat blocking and quieter ride. It came to about $307.



I suggest you play around with the various car models/types and confirm single pad in black, see the prices and the give them a call. The website states "Internet Pricing" so it MIGHT cost less that way. You may also want to check into their Gold Club membership and see IF the Carpet would qualify for a discount with the Gold Club membership. It could easily more than pay for itself.

David from WNY

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:10:54 AM EDT, Jim Volmert <jimmyvolmert@...> wrote:

Looking for recommendations where to purchase carpet for my 69 Cobra. I checked Auto Krafters and didn’t find anything and Top Flight has the carpet but with inserts on both the drivers and passenger side.

Jim Volmert