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Re: bed wear - reality check
Frank Hasieber
开云体育I cannot see any problem with using a standard MT5 center, unless there is a lip/step inside the spindle to stop it going right in, you could turn a short spigot on the end if it won’t go in fully, the V13 has the same spindle bore and takes a standard MT5 center. I rarely use a center at the headstock, when I do I just take a piece of scrap bar, mount it in the 3 jaw and turn a 60 degree point on it, this is just as accurate unless you remove it from the chuck, if you do, all that is needed is to take a light cut off of it to true it up the next time you use it, save your cash for something else J. I have my tailstock set, and never touch it; it is a real PITA to get it reset accurately, I‘ve been promising to make an adjustable center for the tailstock for taper turning. Another I have on the “To Do” list is a taper turning attachment! Frank. ? -----Original
Message----- From: emcoV10lathe@...
[mailto:emcoV10lathe@...]On
Behalf Of Richard Kleinhenz
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:05 PM To: Emco V10 group Subject: RE: [emcoV10lathe] bed wear - reality check ? Yes, I meant lift.? I was looking for any kind of adjustment, and on the S11 there is that same lip - just 2 screws can tighten the gap.? That 'adjustment' is what I was talking about.? Is this a silly way to think about it? ? I was curious about the weight and downward cutting force being the main components to assuring accuracy and good cuts.? I don't have a center for the headstock yet.? I know I have to adjust the setover because on a long bar I found more of a taper than I would like.? Don't recall the number but I figure it'd be easy to do better.? For that?I need to make a test bar I think.? Actually, I don't have a center for the headstock, something I will also need.? It's supposed to be MT5.? But in the manual it looks like a short stubby thing, and looking into the spindle I see that it would need to be.? Can someone that has an S11 with the D1-4 spindle verify that this is a part I need to get from Emco?? That a MT5 dead center from Enco would not work? ? --
Regards,
Rich
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Re: bed wear - reality check
开云体育Yes, I meant lift.? I was looking for any kind of adjustment, and on
the S11 there is that same lip - just 2 screws can tighten the gap.? That
'adjustment' is what I was talking about.? Is this a silly way to think
about it?
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I was curious about the weight and downward cutting force being the main
components to assuring accuracy and good cuts.? I don't have a center for
the headstock yet.? I know I have to adjust the setover because on a long
bar I found more of a taper than I would like.? Don't recall the number but
I figure it'd be easy to do better.? For that?I need to make a test
bar I think.? Actually, I don't have a center for the headstock, something
I will also need.? It's supposed to be MT5.? But in the manual it
looks like a short stubby thing, and looking into the spindle I see that it
would need to be.? Can someone that has an S11 with the D1-4 spindle verify
that this is a part I need to get from Emco?? That a MT5 dead center from
Enco would not work?
On 4/21/2006 at 3:33 PM Frank Hasieber
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Regards,
Rich
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Richard Kleinhenz
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Re: bed wear - reality check
Frank Hasieber
开云体育I just looked at the lathe, there is a lip on the apron which fits under the edge of the bed to prevent lifting, but this is not adjustable, the only form of adjustment is the carriage clamp, but I don’t think that is it’s primary purpose although there are 2 cap head screws which can be tightened to stiffen up the carriage travel. ? -----Original
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Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:04 PM To: emcoV10lathe@... Subject: RE: [emcoV10lathe] bed wear - reality check ? I don’t know, I’ve never tried! OK correct that, I’ve just been down and tried, I mounted the dial gauge on the saddle, with the plunger in contact with the flat portion of the bed between the ways, using a 0.01mm gauge I get less than 0.01mm (0.0004”) over a 500mm movement of the carriage. I assume you meant move the carriage not live it, or was that Lift? Lifting of course would not really prove anything, it would only indicate the clearance of the tightening adjustment, if the carriage was loosened to the point where it was very easy to move it could be quite large, but if you tighten to the point where it is difficult to move the carriage it should be almost zero, the weight of the saddle etc plus the downward cutting force should keep it firmly in contact with the ways at all times. Looking at the V13 parts manual there is a fiber, keep plate that fits under the edge of the bed to stop the rear lifting, there doesn’t appear to be anything listed for the front they could be relying on weight alone to keep it down. I hope I have understood correctly. Frank. ? -----Original
Message----- ? Thanks.? So if you mount an indicator on the cross slide and indicate on the bed, and live the carriage - how much play do you get?
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Rich
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Re: bed wear - reality check
Frank Hasieber
开云体育I don’t know, I’ve never tried! OK correct that, I’ve just been down and tried, I mounted the dial gauge on the saddle, with the plunger in contact with the flat portion of the bed between the ways, using a 0.01mm gauge I get less than 0.01mm (0.0004”) over a 500mm movement of the carriage. I assume you meant move the carriage not live it, or was that Lift? Lifting of course would not really prove anything, it would only indicate the clearance of the tightening adjustment, if the carriage was loosened to the point where it was very easy to move it could be quite large, but if you tighten to the point where it is difficult to move the carriage it should be almost zero, the weight of the saddle etc plus the downward cutting force should keep it firmly in contact with the ways at all times. Looking at the V13 parts manual there is a fiber, keep plate that fits under the edge of the bed to stop the rear lifting, there doesn’t appear to be anything listed for the front they could be relying on weight alone to keep it down. I hope I have understood correctly. Frank. ? -----Original
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[mailto:emcoV10lathe@...]On
Behalf Of Richard Kleinhenz
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:54 PM To: Emco V10 group Subject: RE: [emcoV10lathe] bed wear - reality check ? Thanks.? So if you mount an indicator on the cross slide and indicate on the bed, and live the carriage - how much play do you get?
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Rich
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Re: bed wear - reality check
开云体育Thanks.? So if you mount an indicator on the cross slide and indicate
on the bed, and live the carriage - how much play do you get?
On 4/21/2006 at 12:34 PM Frank Hasieber
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Re: bed wear - reality check
Frank Hasieber
开云体育Rich, I wouldn’t bother, it is rare that you will want to turn anything longer than 10”, I did in one of our early contacts mention that you would probably find this to be the case, as about 90% of all the use of the lathe is within 10” of the chuck, in the 20+ years I have had my V13 I think I have only once needed to turn a piece of more than 500mm long, I do now feel the travel tighten as I move the carriage towards the tailstock, but it is of no consequence, one of the big plusses is that the headstock of these lathes is removable from the bed which simplifies the grinding if you decide to have the bed reground, chuck a piece of bar preferably at least 1” diameter and make a test cut over a 10” length and measure any difference between the two ends, but I would do nothing until you find it is a problem. I set it to work comfortably near the headstock, I can still traverse the full bed length but it does tighten up slightly. Frank. ? ? -----Original
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[mailto:emcoV10lathe@...]On
Behalf Of Richard Kleinhenz
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:55 AM To: Emco V10 group Subject: [emcoV10lathe] bed wear - reality check ? OK, I'm getting used to my new Super 11.? So now I am discovering the little things you don't notice at first when you buy a new lathe.? Unless you have the experience to look exactly for the right things. ? I find the bed is worn near the headstock.? Not unexpected in a used lathe.? I'm sure others' used lathes have that also.? So my question is:? How much vert. play do you have on the carriage near the headstock?? If I set for close to zero play at the tailstock end, I have nearly .005" hear the headstock.? Well, life is not perfect though I'd like it to be.? How do you live with the play?? Does it affect how you work?? Do you tighten to get rid of play when working near the headstock, and loosen it if you work on a long piece?? Or not bother? ? --
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Rich
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bed wear - reality check
开云体育OK, I'm getting used to my new Super 11.? So now I am discovering the
little things you don't notice at first when you buy a new lathe.? Unless
you have the experience to look exactly for the right things.
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I find the bed is worn near the headstock.? Not unexpected in a used
lathe.? I'm sure others' used lathes have that also.? So my question
is:? How much vert. play do you have on the carriage near the
headstock?? If I set for close to zero play at the tailstock end, I have
nearly .005" hear the headstock.? Well, life is not perfect though I'd like
it to be.? How do you live with the play?? Does it affect how you
work?? Do you tighten to get rid of play when working near the headstock,
and loosen it if you work on a long piece?? Or not bother?
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Regards,
Rich
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Richard Kleinhenz
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Re: Need manuel for V10P
I have a manual for my V10P, I'll scan it and send you a copy. Please
send me an email directly & any other takers. Eric --- In emcoV10lathe@..., "rns928rns928" <rpierce@...> wrote: V10P lathe/mill and was looking for a manuel of operation/parts.The latheis in good shape and came with a bunch of extra stuff I`m trying tofigure out what it`s for.What type oil is used in the gear box and is themill gear box the same type.Any help would be greatly appreciated.ThankYou Ray |
Need manuel for V10P
Hi All, New to the board and hoping for some help.I just bought a V10P
lathe/mill and was looking for a manuel of operation/parts.The lathe is in good shape and came with a bunch of extra stuff I`m trying to figure out what it`s for.What type oil is used in the gear box and is the mill gear box the same type.Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thank You Ray |
Re: V10 parts and accessories...
almus_kenter
--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Charles Morrill"
<chasfred2002@...> wrote:
I was planning on purchasing a gear cutter from Blue Ridge asthey probably know exactly what I'll need. Was thinking of pressing the Sheldonshaper into use, but I don't think a single point tool will cut the fiber allthat well. I've been told the fiber was used to cut down on noise, but I'mnot sure this is so.cost but I've always wanted to build one and have an extra six inch Chinese scale leftover from another project. What the heck, it's kind of fun to get out the soldering iron.version of their toolpost grinder, or several? There's one on ebay now and I'mwondering if it would work for the V10-p I have a tool post grinder. I purchased it from someone who used it on their V10P. He said it was for a S11. Apparently it fits both. But I have not used it yet. A gentleman I corresponded with had a whole bunch of V10P stuff that he sold me as a package; grinder, change gears , Uni quadrant, stop, Thread dial... The guy who sold me the grinder said that he used it twice. I am not sure when I would use it. But now that I have it I will have to think of a reason. Good luck with the Shumatech. I often curse the Chinese scales They have too many idiosyncracies. I can understand why no one who used a lathe professionally would use a chinese-scale based DRO. They are prone to failure. You can just get a chinese 6 inch caliper for 15 dollars, modify it with a dremel tool and you are set. Long ~28inch chinese scales are comparable in cost to glass qudrature scales. Yes indeed the fiber gears are much quieter than the steel ones. My super 11 is very noticeably noiser. I have the dvd on making a gears which involves making a gear hob. Pretty straightforward. Have you tried Boston gear? It is possible that you could get gears that would work but may need modification of the bore. Good luck,. -Almus |
Re: Steady rest for S11
On 4/19/2006 at 12:22 AM Richard W. Remington wrote:
The Metal Lathe Accessories (www.mlatoolbox@...)Steady rest worksOh good - I was looking at that, but it said 12" swing and up, been meaning to ask -- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
Steady rest for S11
Richard W. Remington
The Metal Lathe Accessories (www.mlatoolbox@...)Steady rest works
well on the S11, as does the rear mounted cutoff tool post. I agree on the follower rest-- I have had one on order with Blue Ridge for over 6 Mo. I give them a call every month to remind them of my back order. Why replace the S10 gears with fibre? It would not be as quiet with metal gears but more rugged. Prehaps replaceing the 2 or3 final drive gears with metal would help. |
Re: V10 parts and accessories...
Charles Morrill
Thanks for your reply Almus.
> I have yet to strip a gear. How do you plan to make the gears? are you going to buyI was planning on purchasing a gear cutter from Blue Ridge as they probably know exactly what I'll need. Was thinking of pressing the Sheldon shaper into use, but I don't think a single point tool will cut the fiber all that well. I've been told the fiber was used to cut down on noise, but I'm not sure this is so. As regards the Shumatech DRO...I think you're right about the cost but I've always wanted to build one and have an extra six inch Chinese scale left over from another project. What the heck, it's kind of fun to get out the soldering iron. Speaking of Emco stuff, do you know if EMCO made a single version of their toolpost grinder, or several? There's one on ebay now and I'm wondering if it would work for the V10-p Many thanks. Waumbek |
Re: V10 parts and accessories...
almus_kenter
--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Charles Morrill"
<chasfred2002@...> wrote: Hi Charles. Thanks for the long post about V10p. I have three emco lathes, C8, V10P and Super-11. They obviously have a common heritage and many of the parts are interchangeable. I guess this is why I ended up with three lathes. My C8 spindle accessories fit my V10P. The whole S11 compound would fit the V10P; the mount spacings are the same. I got tired of looking for accessories and then bought a S11; D1-4 mount and 5c collets open up a new world of options. My v10p still has a functioning switch and electrics. If the motor/switch were to die I would go to a VFD and a 3 phase motor. The 3ph motors are readily available in the US at ~120.00-150.00. The motor is a standard European frame. Blue Ridge has 3ph motors for the lathe for ~360.00. OUCH! I have yet to strip a gear. How do you plan to make the gears? are you going to buy a gear cutter set? or are you going to make a hob? If you figure out the gear dimensions and specs I would be grateful if you were to share them with me. I would like to have that information "just in case" I have built two Shumatechs DROs and I have one mounted on my mill and I am half done mounting one to my V10P. I would be interested to see how you mount your scales to your machine. Similarly, I would be glad to show you how I will do mine. I have the X axis done and am planning/doing the y axis (cross slide) now. Are you using glass/quadrature scales? or the Chinese scales? I have all the parts to build a third Shumatech. In my opinion, the Chinese scales and cables are the weakest point of the Shumatechs. Also given the time and effort and cost of making the shumatech, it is not clear it is that great a deal. The folks over at the shumatech group seem to worship the things.... I think they are pretty good but if I had to do it over again, I might try to find a used "name brand". The Shumatechs have their quirks. A set of glass scales (Jenix) for the V10P/S11 cost about 330.00 (6 inch + 28 inch). Plus the Jenix scales are BIG; not a problem for the x axis but a PIA for the y. Good luck and let us know if you stumble across any EMCO treasure troves. -Almus |
Re: V10 parts and accessories...
Frank Hasieber
开云体育? ? ? From ads for Emco lathes that I have seen in “ Model Engineer” I believe that the smaller Emco lathes are now all made in Taiwan/China, but are still sold under the Emco label, so I would assume they have to meet certain Emco quality standards. Frank. ? -----Original
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[mailto:emcoV10lathe@...]On
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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:14 AM To: emcoV10lathe@... Subject: [emcoV10lathe] V10 parts and accessories.. ? Interestingly, the business Little Machine Shop has a |
V10 parts and accessories...
Charles Morrill
I thought I might mention and also ask for some help concerning accessories for my
V-10 p in addition to offering help and some hopefully accurate notes. I have a lovely V10-p and also an older V10 in not very good shape that is gathering dust as a parts machine. The two main problems with these lathes appear to be the micarta (fiber, whatever) headstock gears and the electrical switching arrangement on the headstock. As for the electrical switch, if you've got a good one and it's still working, get yourself a junction box and an on/off switch that you can plug into the machine. Keep the machine switched off as you gently select the headstock switches to depress, then when you've done so, actually turn the machine on and off with the switch on the junction box. Whenever I push the headstock switches on and off with my machine, the machine is powered off. This allows me to take care of the switches. I'd like to keep the machine original for fun although VFD has a whole lot of appeal. Once in a while, spare switches do come up on ebay. I bought one last year for about $170. Regarding the fiber headstock gears, Blue Ridge will sell them to you still if you twist their arm, but they'll cost you several hundred bucks. This seems a bit too much for me, so I'm planning on making an extra set and figure I'll shell out for the cutter. Steve Stallings, of the Chesapeake Area Metalworking Society (CAMS) recently gave me a huge chunk of fiber gear material and I'm going to take apart the headstock of the thrashed V10 to reproduce some fiber gears at some point. To that end, I've got an order into Blue Ridge for the EMCO rotary table/dividing head. They actually had three in stock but all three had their handles broken off. New ones are about three or four weeks out at this point. While the EMCO rotary table is quite expensive, I think it's important to mention that it really is still available, so that's one major original accessory you can still get. They come up on ebay fairly often, but sell for almost exactly the same price that Blue Ridge still has them for - around $550. Make sure you order the adaptor plate for the lathe chucks if you decide to go this route. I believe it's still available for the short taper three bolt spindle mounting. It used to come with a bushing that centers everything up on the rotary table. T bolts for the table can still be had, but I've made my own because they're so dear from Blue Ridge. It looks to me like the lateral cross slide stop for most of these lathes is also available. About Blue Ridge...I find them helpful, but I've also found it useful to study lots of literature about something before calling them up. It kind of gently helps to remind them how things go together before asking if they have something...You can hardly blame them, the V10, V10-p has been out of production for many years at this point. Back to the fiber headstock gears...Blue Ridge says they're simply pressed on their steel centers. I find that hard to believe, but there you go. Regarding my junk V10...my interest is in the headstock fiber gears, so if you need some other part, please let me know. It has a quick change gearbox that's pretty stiff but if you need one, email me at "cmorrill@..." I'll part with it for $100 bucks if you'll pay shipping. The other headstock parts are also up for grabs. I do not have a compound or a tailstock for this machine. I believe it's 220 single phase. I have no idea about the motor and the headstock electrical switch is a mess. The tumble reverse gears are busted, but the carriage handwheels might prove useful to someone as might the lathe bed itself. Speaking of busted gears...it's generally a bad idea to take an intermittant cut with these lathes or their associated mill heads. I wouldn't use a fly cutter with the mill head, for example. Saw a mill head on ebay last year that had been done in by someone attempting to use a fly cutter. Hope some of this info helps, and if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct it. Someday I'd like to purchase one of the toolpost grinders for the V10 that keep turning up on ebay every six months or so. Interestingly, the business Little Machine Shop has a Chinese one for sale that looks very much like the EMCO, though probably not made as well. Hey, it might do in a pinch. I'm currently building a Shumatech DRO for my maximat. I might also mention that some of the kits from Metal Lathe Accessories will fit the Maximat just fine. I'm building the ball turning toolpost and have built the carriage stop and find it works to a t. I've just got to get some proper green paint. Anyone else got an idea of what EMCO parts and accessories are still available? I'd love a steady rest, either fixed or traveling, but these seem two of the hardest things to come by. Anyone go to Cabin Fever back in 2005? Guy showed up with a mint V10-p including a pile of accessories. Yup, mint. Incredible. So, I guess the parts are out there. Cheers, Charles Morrill aka "Waumbek" |
Re: VFD wiring
On 4/16/2006 at 12:46 PM almus_kenter wrote:
270 new. I got it from dealerselectric.com (or something like that)It's a little less like $240 or so Yes. I do not have the safety version of the S11 andI know - that's where I'm at... all these items that are not unreasonable by themselves DO add up! At least I have a VFD that was reasonable to get me started, that resistor just threw me, and it seems that I have a way out eventually - replace the VFD. I'd probably still leave it external - on the wall is quite OK where I have the lathe. That way I can also use the touch pad if I want to change something - rear access to the electr. box on the lathe is a little limited. I have it close to a wall, enough space to get in there and open the door, but not a lot of wiggle room. Happy Easter to you also! -- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
Re: VFD wiring
almus_kenter
--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...> wrote:
price, and they have the resistor also - for $17. Definitely not gonna invest into the resistor module for the Reliance drive!
270 new. I got it from dealerselectric.com (or something like that) I have not purchased a resistor yet. But I plan to. Right now the lathe coasts to a stop. What was the price from amarillo? Yes. I do not have the safety version of the S11 and still it was a bit of a fit. I think the price was reasonable...but it came right on the heels of my buying the lathe so it was a bit painful. To tell you the truth I am scared to sum the $ I have spent so far. Right now I am doing a DRO; in my opinion it's the best thing to spend money on. Temporarily, plunger dial indicators with magnetic bases fit the bill, but a DRO makes things SO much better and faster. I have built a couple of the Shumatch DROs. In retrospect getting them to work with Chinese scales is a bit of a PIA. If I had to do it over again I would try to find a complete glass scale system. Happy Easter -Almus |
Re: VFD wiring
Actually I found that drive at amarilloelectric.com for a good price, and they have the resistor also - for $17. Definitely not gonna invest into the resistor module for the Reliance drive!
On 4/15/2006 at 9:50 AM Richard Kleinhenz wrote: Is that $270 new or used? Sounds like an excellent price! How much was-- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
Re: VFD wiring
I found the Fm100-202. Did you get a resistor? How much was that?
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On 4/15/2006 at 1:33 PM almus_kenter wrote:
I only need a passive resistor. My VFD is a Westinghouse-TECO. --
Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |