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Re: VFD wiring
On 4/16/2006 at 12:46 PM almus_kenter wrote:
270 new. I got it from dealerselectric.com (or something like that)It's a little less like $240 or so Yes. I do not have the safety version of the S11 andI know - that's where I'm at... all these items that are not unreasonable by themselves DO add up! At least I have a VFD that was reasonable to get me started, that resistor just threw me, and it seems that I have a way out eventually - replace the VFD. I'd probably still leave it external - on the wall is quite OK where I have the lathe. That way I can also use the touch pad if I want to change something - rear access to the electr. box on the lathe is a little limited. I have it close to a wall, enough space to get in there and open the door, but not a lot of wiggle room. Happy Easter to you also! -- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: VFD wiring
almus_kenter
--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...> wrote:
price, and they have the resistor also - for $17. Definitely not gonna invest into the resistor module for the Reliance drive!
270 new. I got it from dealerselectric.com (or something like that) I have not purchased a resistor yet. But I plan to. Right now the lathe coasts to a stop. What was the price from amarillo? Yes. I do not have the safety version of the S11 and still it was a bit of a fit. I think the price was reasonable...but it came right on the heels of my buying the lathe so it was a bit painful. To tell you the truth I am scared to sum the $ I have spent so far. Right now I am doing a DRO; in my opinion it's the best thing to spend money on. Temporarily, plunger dial indicators with magnetic bases fit the bill, but a DRO makes things SO much better and faster. I have built a couple of the Shumatch DROs. In retrospect getting them to work with Chinese scales is a bit of a PIA. If I had to do it over again I would try to find a complete glass scale system. Happy Easter -Almus |
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Re: VFD wiring
Actually I found that drive at amarilloelectric.com for a good price, and they have the resistor also - for $17. Definitely not gonna invest into the resistor module for the Reliance drive!
On 4/15/2006 at 9:50 AM Richard Kleinhenz wrote: Is that $270 new or used? Sounds like an excellent price! How much was-- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: VFD wiring
I found the Fm100-202. Did you get a resistor? How much was that?
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On 4/15/2006 at 1:33 PM almus_kenter wrote:
I only need a passive resistor. My VFD is a Westinghouse-TECO. --
Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
almus_kenter
--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...> wrote:
back-plate route. Decision time sometime this weekend :-) The plain back with the separate D1-4 mounting plate, gets you a 6" D1-4 4 jaw and keeps your weight down (if that is what you want). The mounting plate is fully machined and is a straight bolt on. You can also then use the chuck on another lathe if need be. Good luck making the decision -A |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRight, I was looking for D1-4 mount though.? May still go the
back-plate route.? Decision time sometime this weekend :-)
* REPLY SEPARATOR * On 4/15/2006 at 2:25 PM Eric Wilson wrote:
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Rich
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
I know - all this leads me to believe that the Enco price is actually quite good.
On 4/15/2006 at 2:28 PM almus_kenter wrote: fully machined 6" D1-4 Adapter plate is $147.xx-- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
almus_kenter
--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "almus_kenter" <akenter@...> wrote:
fully machined 6" D1-4 Adapter plate is $147.xx it costs more than the chuck. -Almus |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
FYI...? According to the following link Bison makes a 6" 4j Eric --- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Frank Hasieber" wrote: > > Rich, the 4 jaw chuck for my V10 is 150mm/6", Bison chucks are excellent and > reasonably priced. Oops! Just done a Google, the smallest they make is 8". > The V13 has an 8", but for speeds of 2500rpm you should have a steel bodied > chuck. > Frank. > > -----Original Message----- > From: emcoV10lathe@... [mailto:emcoV10lathe@...]On > Behalf Of Richard Kleinhenz > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:55 PM > To: Emco V10 group > Subject: [emcoV10lathe] 4-jaw chuck for S11 > > I need a 4-jaw chuck for my S11. Preferably with D1-4 mount. Smallest I > can find is Enco 8". I'm somewhat leery of getting such a huge chuck, and > am concerned even of fit. If I have about 11" swing, the jaws could stick > out about 1.5" on an 8" before they hit. Does anyone have an 8" chuck? How > far out to the jaws go? Or, does anyone have a 6" 4-jaw, and how far do its > jaws go out? > > Any thoughts on chuck size? > > > -- > Regards, > Rich > ================================ > Richard Kleinhenz > http://beautifulhandmadepens.com > http://www.woodpens.com/rkleinhenz.htm > ================================ > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > * Visit your group " emcoV10lathe > " on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > emcoV10lathe-unsubscribe@... > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . > > _____ > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 4/13/2006 > |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
almus_kenter
--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...> wrote:
free shipping. I am no longer floored by the prices of these things and realized I consider it a bargain now... may go for it. Darn thing is 38 lb! Check out They have 6" 4j plain backs: 7-850-0300 3-1/2 inch 1.000 3.4 lbs. $ 160. 7-850-0400 4 inch --- --- 170. 7-850-0500 5 inch 1.0236 8 lbs 175. 7-850-0600 6 inch 1.6535 9 lbs. 195. 7-850-0800 8 inch 1.9685 32 lbs. 255. you can then get the adaptor plates for ~150.00 You can find them cheaper at various times. Look at KBCtools; sometimes they are very cheap, also there are some ebay vendors of bison stuff. But you are right; look at the weight diff between the 6 and 8 inch!! Holy crap!! Maybe you are right; maybe the 6" is the way to go. -Almus |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
I see that Enco has the 8" Bison with D1-4 back for $318 plus tax, free shipping. I am no longer floored by the prices of these things and realized I consider it a bargain now... may go for it. Darn thing is 38 lb!
On 4/15/2006 at 1:44 PM almus_kenter wrote: I think Bison stuff is great. I have their set-tru 5c-- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: VFD wiring
Is that $270 new or used? Sounds like an excellent price! How much was the resistor?
I know mine won't fit into the lathe - you probably don't have the 'safety electric' version - in that one all the space is taken up with the extra relays etc On 4/15/2006 at 1:33 PM almus_kenter wrote: --What VFD do you have? I understand some VFDs have the controlcircuit built in so externally you just need a passive resistor. Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
almus_kenter
I have a V10P lathe as well as my S11...OK I confess
I also have a compact 8..(but I am getting rid of it) I have the 4J for the V10P; it is beautiful. It is light-weight /narrow bodied. It is nominally 6". In fact it is one of the main reasons that I am keeping the V10P lathe; 'cause I have a 4J that fits it. I don't think that the S11 would have any problem with an 8" 4J. In fact I would only get one smaller if it were a great deal. The V10P +i think+ is < 1hp. I think Bison stuff is great. I have their set-tru 5c collet chuck. In fact, If I didn't ahve a EMCO 3J I would get a bison #J set tru; great support, spare parts, jaws, etc... I will check the weights of the 3j versus the 4j -A |
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Re: VFD wiring
almus_kenter
What VFD do you have? I understand some VFDs have the controlcircuit built in so externally you just need a passive resistor. I only need a passive resistor. My VFD is a Westinghouse-TECO. I have one one for my mill as well; I like having the "shared heritage" for the benefit of the learning curve. I paid 270.xx for it. So far I think it is great, Like Dave I manged to get mine inside the back of the lathe. -ALmus |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
On 4/14/2006 at 7:19 PM Richard Kleinhenz wrote:
And I also came across the term semi-steel as I am lookingFound out what semi-steel is. Apparently can be good but not necessarily... -- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
Thanks for the info
What's 'C1'? And I also came across the term semi-steel as I am looking for info on chucks. On 4/15/2006 at 12:37 AM Frank Hasieber wrote:-- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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Re: 4-jaw chuck for S11
Frank Hasieber
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRich I think the S11 could take it, at the spindle bore you have the spindle could very well be the same as the V13, which would mean the same bearings, Steel bodied? No they aren¡¯t, some have CI bodies, on the V10, NO, I think this would be pushing it, (but the S11 appears to be more than an upgrade to the V10, more like a cross between the V10 and V13, but I have never seen an S11 in real life,) this thing is heavy, and you don¡¯t want to drop it on your toes! At maximum safe opening the jaws clear the bed of the V13, but at 13¡± swing this has extra center height compared to the S11, I will measure the max OD across the jaws at maximum opening and get back to you, I had a thought, I will check on whether or not I can get the body for the turret stop flame cut and how much it will cost, shipping costs could be the problem, but others might be interested if the price is right. Frank. ? -----Original
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Re: VFD wiring
Almus,
I don't know exactly. The main problem is that it requires more than a passive resistor - the control circuitry is NOT part of my VFD - it's external. There has to be a DC bus voltage sensor, and control that switches in the resistor. Along with some fuses, thermal protection etc. I've done a little reading, and this is a well-known trap apparently, and a lucrative captive market for the drive manufacturer. What VFD do you have? I understand some VFDs have the control circuit built in so externally you just need a passive resistor. Don't know whether I can find out resistor specs. I have a feeling knowing the DC bus voltage (which I can measure) and the horse power of the motor I should be able to calculate both resistance and wattage. V^2/R is the power so if I know how high the voltage rises and ... well, never mind, it doesn't matter ;-) I'm not about to design a control circuit On 4/14/2006 at 11:15 AM almus_kenter wrote: What is the spec on the resistor that you need?-- Regards, Rich ================================ Richard Kleinhenz ================================ |
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