Please answer the question why isn't in touch doing something about this, they are doing stuff on driving tests? It is outrageous that the bbc is ignoring the problems of blind people!s

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 03 November 2022 15:56
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] Probability internet players we use will not access
BBC streams after mid 2023

Sorry if necessary for cross-posting - and about the rather long subject, and this might not be exactly the right list to bring it up.


In short, some of us will be crying Help! soon, to do things the BBC
Sounds way.


On my VR Stream just before 2Pm - and cutting into the end credits for
the American local elections series - an announcement came to my VR
Trek that after mid 2023 "the stream you are listening on will no
longer work..." - or words to that effect.From then onwards it would
seem all streaming will have to be via BBC Sounds.


I am guessing most if not all specialist players we use depend on
these lower quality streams at present. So, will there be a way
around this change?


Presently the VR stream and most if not all phone apps that come with
Synapptic the Blind Shell 2 and possibly other smart phones are set up
to use these streams. I am guessing, but don't actually know, that
when BBC Sounds becomes the sole way of accessing live radiothen many
will find some sort of update to radio features on these devices wil
be needed, and worse, a pretty expensive upgrade to new hardware.


Do I hear some screaming, Get an Amazon speaker! I have one, and so
far I have monumentally failed to connect to BBC sounds using my
Synapptic phone with its installed Alexa app - which also has BBC
sounds app on it too. No doubt if I do not solve that problem soon I
shall be calling on someone for Help!


In short, a cumbersome work-around must be in the offing, if not
forking out for another device?


Ray.

Please answer the question why isn't in touch doing something about this, they are doing stuff on driving tests? It is outrageous that the bbc is ignoring the problems of blind people!s

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 03 November 2022 15:56
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] Probability internet players we use will not access BBC streams after mid 2023

Sorry if necessary for cross-posting - and about the rather long subject, and this might not be exactly the right list to bring it up.


In short, some of us will be crying Help! soon, to do things the BBC
Sounds way.


On my VR Stream just before 2Pm - and cutting into the end credits for
the American local elections series - an announcement came to my VR
Trek that after mid 2023 "the stream you are listening on will no longer
work..." - or words to that effect.From then onwards it would seem all
streaming will have to be via BBC Sounds.


I am guessing most if not all specialist players we use depend on these
lower quality streams at present. So, will there be a way around this
change?


Presently the VR stream and most if not all phone apps that come with
Synapptic the Blind Shell 2 and possibly other smart phones are set up
to use these streams. I am guessing, but don't actually know, that when
BBC Sounds becomes the sole way of accessing live radiothen many will
find some sort of update to radio features on these devices wil be
needed, and worse, a pretty expensive upgrade to new hardware.


Do I hear some screaming, Get an Amazon speaker! I have one, and so far
I have monumentally failed to connect to BBC sounds using my Synapptic
phone with its installed Alexa app - which also has BBC sounds app on it
too. No doubt if I do not solve that problem soon I shall be calling on
someone for Help!


In short, a cumbersome work-around must be in the offing, if not forking
out for another device?


Ray.

Hi. The cost of the unit is $75 and you can purchase it from .

Marvin.

?

Thanks Marvin for giving more info on this player.

?

Would be nice to know the purchase price if available in the UK - not that I intend buying one.

?

A fact sheet on the various players wouldn't come amiss for me as there are a few more of them on the market now which it would appear handle DAISY as well as other formats.

?

Ray.

?

Hi. It is a small portable audio player. Has a size of a pack of cards. Small. Fits in your pocket. Has a headphone jack. Has a grill and the speaker on the front. Top left, volume up and down button, middle bookshelf button to then flick around with the books you have. A sleep or snooze up to 60 minutes.

Bottom left is rewind, and you hold it down for a few seconds to have more fine requirements. Centre is the on / off play, pause, and shutd won. You hold that down and you hear a tone. And also if you don’t use ti for five minutes, shuts off and does remember the last place you were at. Plays dasi 2.0, mp3, and epub audio. And the bottom right is fast forward, and you hold down for a few seconds for fine tuning. You then hold the volume and the book shelf button together to delete a book, hold that down for ten secs and then you hear a series of tones that the book ahs been deleted. It beeps when you have the battery low after 8 hours of play. Have either a solar panel on the back, which takes 8 hours in a sunnhy place, or use a usb cable to recharge. Comes with 8 gb internal storage. And can then take 40 to 50 titles. A 128 gb sd card shlot I think. Also comes with iacesss software, and then able to then download books from vision Australia.

Did have a dasi cd player before they were going not do books on that any more. And wanted something small, good audio quality and portable. Not finger positive. And not very finger mobile. So a smart phone out of the question, did not want a victor reader with all the bells and whistles. Just some thing simple.

And so got this.

Marvin.

Hi. It is a small portable audio player. Has a size of a pack of cards. Small. Fits in your pocket. Has a headphone jack. Has a grill and the speaker on the front. Top left, volume up and down button, middle bookshelf button to then flick around with the books you have. A sleep or snooze up to 60 minutes.

Bottom left is rewind, and you hold it down for a few seconds to have more fine requirements. Centre is the on / off play, pause, and shutd won. You hold that down and you hear a tone. And also if you don’t use ti for five minutes, shuts off and does remember the last place you were at. Plays dasi 2.0, mp3, and epub audio. And the bottom right is fast forward, and you hold down for a few seconds for fine tuning. You then hold the volume and the book shelf button together to delete a book, hold that down for ten secs and then you hear a series of tones that the book ahs been deleted. It beeps when you have the battery low after 8 hours of play. Have either a solar panel on the back, which takes 8 hours in a sunnhy place, or use a usb cable to recharge. Comes with 8 gb internal storage. And can then take 40 to 50 titles. A 128 gb sd card shlot I think. Also comes with iacesss software, and then able to then download books from vision Australia.

Did have a dasi cd player before they were going not do books on that any more. And wanted something small, good audio quality and portable. Not finger positive. And not very finger mobile. So a smart phone out of the question, did not want a victor reader with all the bells and whistles. Just some thing simple.

And so got this.

Marvin.

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

Hi Ray and Steve

I have an old zenstone mp3 player, they are very easy to use, I wonder if something like that could be adapted for the older population, just convert it to take a micro sd card or something. When the zenstone came out they were selling on play.com which is obviously no longer running for around ?14. Just a thought.

Regards

Adrien

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 02 November 2022 12:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Hi Ray,

It wouldn't be too difficult to manufacture a player similar to those of Kings Access in terms of actually doing it, but it's the return we would get on it that may be the problem.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 12:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Steve and all,


This is a vexed question indeed, re. the price of players.


Some TNs might afford ?70 to ?80 but certainly not all.


Mnowing listeners and our community as I do I know not many would be prepared to chip in a part of that cost. That could lead us down the road of talking about preparedeness to pay for such things which, in the end, would lead us nowhere.


I still tend to think that if only Wireless for Blind, RNIB, TNF and possibly others would agree to co-operate then a higher volume order for manufacture could be placed. Still, the design stage alone is the first possible flaw in that suggestion, and we could end up with a player that does not satisfy many and end up with something like the committee set up to design a horse which came up with the Camel!


In this age of individualism and everyone doing their own thing I wonder we end up with much of anything that could sensibly meet the needs of the mass of listeners.


Ray.




On 02/11/2022 11:44 am, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

Hi Ray and Steve

I have an old zenstone mp3 player, they are very easy to use, I wonder if something like that could be adapted for the older population, just convert it to take a micro sd card or something. When the zenstone came out they were selling on play.com which is obviously no longer running for around ?14. Just a thought.

Regards

Adrien

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 02 November 2022 12:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Hi Ray,

It wouldn't be too difficult to manufacture a player similar to those of Kings Access in terms of actually doing it, but it's the return we would get on it that may be the problem.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 12:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Steve and all,


This is a vexed question indeed, re. the price of players.


Some TNs might afford ?70 to ?80 but certainly not all.


Mnowing listeners and our community as I do I know not many would be prepared to chip in a part of that cost. That could lead us down the road of talking about preparedeness to pay for such things which, in the end, would lead us nowhere.


I still tend to think that if only Wireless for Blind, RNIB, TNF and possibly others would agree to co-operate then a higher volume order for manufacture could be placed. Still, the design stage alone is the first possible flaw in that suggestion, and we could end up with a player that does not satisfy many and end up with something like the committee set up to design a horse which came up with the Camel!


In this age of individualism and everyone doing their own thing I wonder we end up with much of anything that could sensibly meet the needs of the mass of listeners.


Ray.




On 02/11/2022 11:44 am, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

?

I don't get the reference to a 25 GB SD card slot, if that what was said.? It does seem pretty basic.

?

Ray.

?

Hi,

?

This is from the people who make the MegaVoice talking bibles.

?

It is inaccurate to call it a Daisy player, as it doesn’t have any concept of chapters or headings, it simply plays MP3 files.

?

All the best

Steve

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marvin.Hunkin@...
Sent: 02 November 2022 07:08
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] ENVOY CONNECT PLAYER

?

Hi. Have a connect audio dasi player. Had the first generation for 4 years, then it died. So got a new one. For new ones that have this. This is a small dasi player with a 25 gb or maybe higher sd card slot. Simple interface. And it beeps when the battery is low. Has a solar panel on the back, has a usb cable and comes with the I access software for vision Australia in Australia. Cost me $75 to purchase. Nice sound, and when the book is finished, hold the volume and bookshelf button down together

Marvin..

?

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might
be substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting
but maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to
get used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information
providers to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to
happen. Much better would be a player that could access online
services via Wi-Fi or mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.

Hi Ray,

I am trying to research this, to see if something is work us, Computer Rooom Services, manufacturing.

But I think the limiting factor is price. I don't think TNs could pay over 70 or 80 quid a player for example. I honestly believe that the reason Kings Access went down, or one of them, is that they under priced their devices, because it's such a small market.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 02 November 2022 11:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] USB players for talking newspapers etcetra

Was going to append this question to my last post, but realised it needs a separate thread.


Many will know the Kings audio Sovriegn players are no longer
availableand a replacement is being saught urgently by many talking
newspapers. Anyone know of an easy to use tactile player that might be
substituted for the Sovreign?


The RNIB offering who's name I cannot recall has been found wanting but
maybe due an upgrade to meet the needs of TNs.


I have been involved in local TN production for more than 20 years so
know the problem well. So many of the readers are of pension age and
often much older and resistant to anything needing some learning to get
used to.


I often wish a player produced in large numbers to meet basic needs
could be designed and procured by a consortium of information providers
to the vI and blindness market but that's unlikley to happen. Much
better would be a player that could access online services via Wi-Fi or
mobile data, but alas, this is unlikely to see the light of day!


Ray.