Hello All,
I am starting to upload pre-built packages for lzhuf which is used by D-Rats to communicate with Windows.
In the future the lzhuf source and binaries will not be in the d-rats repository, so for running d-rats from a cloned repository.
Both 32 bit and 64 bit are provided, but I am not sure that 32 bit python will be available or Microsoft Windows.
The *md5*.txt is a checksum to verify a download.
These packages were built on Windows 7, so should work on that and anything later.
If you can, please test installing them. They install in to the "Program Files" or "Program Files (x86)" directory, and you have to use that path to test running them.
See:
I am still learning how the d-rats.io file upload system works, so
the below is no longer working, and I will have new uploads in a minute with better URLS.
73,
-John
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to
the Files area of the d-rats@groups.io group.
By: John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>
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Re: DRATS computer to radio data cable recommendations
On 10/5/2022 1:43 PM, James Holtzman via groups.io wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
Our existing homebrew cables have a 2.5mm stereo phone plug on one
end (RS-232), a nine pin DB9 connector, going to a DB9 RS-232 to a
USB connector. The cable has had a history of bad intermittent
connections which drove us nuts. Most likely the intermittent connections are mechanical. Are the 9 pin ports secured with screws and nuts, or are you relying on just the friction of the connector? It could be that you have a bad wire in the cable, or your cable is picking up RF from the transmitter. This is probably not affecting your issue, but something to be aware of if you are rolling your own cable using serial port connectors. A common wiring error (And is present on the serial cable that came with my hand-held) for serial ports, is that if the DTR/DSR and RTS/CTS connections are not supplied by the source they should be always connected. On a 9-pin connection, that is pin 4 and 6 connected and pins 7 and 8 connected. The 4 and 6 connected allows the computer to detect if the serial port has gone offline, and the newer version of D-Rats will log when it detects this. Future versions of D-Rats will test for for a properly wired serial connection in the configure radio section to allow it to report. I or someone really need to do some more detail than this and put in into a WIKI. I have found issues with some USB to serial adapters, but only when the D-Rats application is not running. Some adapters will randomly key the radio when D-Rats is not running. I have not seen that behavior on adapters based on the FTDI chip, and those are a bit more expensive than others. We could buy new cables from RT Systems, believe they are about $25
each, but what other sources do you recommend? If that handles the stereo phone jack to USB, it may be hard to build your own much cheaper unless you have a well stocked junk box. Find out what USB chip set is used in these pre-made cables. What we need is one with a 2.5mm stereo phone plug on one end and a
USB connector on the other end. I have not measured the output of the 2.5mm stereo output to see if I can vampire out the generating a DTR signal when it is plugged into the radio based on the RS-232 signaling levels. The RS-232 standard is quite liberal in what a receiving line will accept, and some implementations take shortcuts that mostly work. You also may need RF protection. Your cable may be a great antenna. Ideally you would have a circuit that would use diodes or transistors and a capacitor that would allow simulating a DTR signal based on if the data out line had a proper RS232 voltage. (I need to look up details on this for a design). The CTS line should also track the DTR line. Again, D-RATS does not take advantage of these signals now, but I plan to have it do so in the future as an option, and it will allow having a displayable status of the radio connection. Your USB side is best (by reputation) with a genuine FTDI chip do the conversion. These are pricier than other brands. The USB chips / modules take TTL level, not RS-232 levels. There are quick and dirty methods to convert TTL and RS-232. They may not work reliably as they are depending on the side expecting RS-232 not enforcing the specification 100%, and adding RF into the mix may hurt that even more. Usually a chip set is used to do the conversion now. And the chips are very cheap. For a home made design, in addition to the DTR simulation, there should be a circuit that shuts off sending any data to the Radio when there is no DSR signal from the USB to serial chip. That lack of a signal is supposed to mean that there is no program running on the computer to send or receive data. The python 3 version of d-rats tries to makes sure that the DSR signal on the cable is properly set. Some of that depends on how compliant the serial driver on your computer is with the actual signaling "standards". Last question, I know this has been asked before, what is a good
ratflector to monitor over the internet, we know the default one no
longer exists. I have looked at the database and don't have time to
go fishing. I am showing k3pdr and kb8pmy as the two possible replacements for rat. Ideally there would be a yaml or equivalent machine and human readable file in an online git repository that d-rats when connected to the internet could pull down lists for you to select from. There is a ticket open on ham-radio-software/d-rats for that. One more thing, forgot to ask, getting too old -
What is the best way to print messages in D-RATS? I've been copying
and pasting into a plain text document, doing the editing if
necessary, then sending to the printer. Is there another way to
print? >
You would think there would be under FILE>PRINT. I can also copy
and paste from the log file of course. Closest is "View->Log" and that will attempt to bring up a text viewer based on your platform and you should be able to print from that. That area needs a lot of work. It uses a hard coded text viewer instead of either asking the OS to select one, or use a config preference. I have at least one ticket open on ham-radio-software/d-rats for text viewer selection. I do not think there is one for a print enhancement. Thanks for all that you do.
Jim k6nra? Sacramento County Sheriff's Amateur Radio Club Regards, -John
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DRATS computer to radio data cable recommendations
We (SHARP, Sheriff's Amateur Radio Program) just finished up working a local airshow.? We use D-RATS because of the high ambient noise with audio as a backup.
We always have some kind of system failure, this time one of those were the data cables that go from the radio, Icom 2820 to the usb ports on the laptops.
Our existing homebrew cables have a 2.5mm stereo phone plug on one end (RS-232), a nine pin DB9 connector, going to a DB9 RS-232 to a USB connector.? The cable has
had a history of bad intermittent connections which drove us nuts.
We could buy new cables from RT Systems, believe they are about $25 each, but what other sources do you recommend?
What we need is one with a 2.5mm stereo phone plug on one end and a USB connector on the other end.
Last question, I know this has been asked before, what is a good ratflector to monitor over the internet, we know the default one no longer exists.? I have looked at the database and don't have time to go fishing.
One more thing, forgot to ask, getting too old -
What is the best way to print messages in D-RATS?? I've been copying and pasting into a plain text document, doing the editing if necessary, then sending to the printer.? Is there another way to print?? You would think there would be under FILE>PRINT.? I can also copy and paste from the log file of course.
Thanks for all that you do.
Jim k6nra? Sacramento County Sheriff's Amateur Radio Club
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How to limit - restrict access to a ratflector
Hi All:
I read somewhere a file can be placed at repeater working directory with allowed users. Is this right?? Interested in control access to a local EMMCOM ratflector.? ?If not possible right now then will suggest to be added as feature request.?
Will appreciate any suggestion!
73'
Edfel
KP4AJ
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Thanks I got plenty of food for my thoughts! I wanted the ratflector for Emcomm.?
I did not wanted to bother any particular ratflector owner.?
I guess that as I try to be more proficient on Drats I ll be hanging around those that are already up.
Thanks to y'll for you advise. Even though I could not make it I learned a lot in the process.
V/R?
NP3JD
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From: d-rats@groups.io <d-rats@groups.io> on behalf of John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 12:11:37 PM
To: d-rats@groups.io <d-rats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [d-rats] ratflector
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On 9/18/2022 9:32 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote:
>
> Indeed the router’s wan IP I s not the same PC IP that can be found
> on whatismyip.com.?? I still scratching the babck omy head. I tried
> yesterday to set the ratflector on Hughes HT2010 model router but did
> not work neither. SO I ‘m doing the same mistake on both of them?
There is probably nothing that you can configure to on your router to
make it work.? Your ISP is what is blocking you from running a public
ratflector.? That is what I have been trying to get you to understand.
The instructions in the manual and the video do not deal with your ISP's
configuration.
The instructions only work with this configuration:
PC <> Your Nat router <> ISP <> public Internet
Your configuration is:
PC <> Nat router <> ISP Nat Router <> Public Internet.
???????????????????? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
?????????????????????????? |
The "ISP Nat Router" is what is stopping you.
The port forwarding needs to be set on both NAT routers, or it will not
work.? And you need to check with your ISP to find out if there is any
way to to set the ISP Nat router to forward port 9000.
Looking back at your previous posts, your whatsmyip address is changing
quite a bit.? That indicates their may be multiple ISP NAT routers that
would need to have the port forwarding set up.
So it does not matter what router that you use.? The directions just do
not apply because of how your ISP has set up their network.
What do you want to run a ratflector for?
There are quite a few existing public ratflectors that do not appear to
be heavily used.? Is there any reason that you can not use one of them?
> Mmmmm? I think so, or both companies? do not support port
forwarding??? To much of a coincidence.
They support port forwarding, but it only works if the ISP is not also
using NAT.? As soon as you wrote that the WAN IP address did not match
the whatsmyip reported IP address, as I have replied to you several
times now, those instructions you have been trying to follow are never
going to work.? And it really does not matter how many different router
models that you try.
> In my opinion I ‘m not doing it right And my mistakes is on what
> ports and where should I have to place on the router. I did exactly
> as this guy did it but the result is on the router.
Again, those instructions do not apply to how your ISP has set up your
connection to the internet.? It does not matter what Nat Router that you
use, or how you configure it.? Your ISP is blocking you from having a
ratflector that is visible on the public internet.
> About VPN well I ‘ll have to learn more about this kind of science jajajajja
> ON the alternative I guess I ll have to learn How to do the Docker
> container COA or the VM.
I do not think that a VPN solution will work for you.? You are using
"Cell Phone" internet.? A VPN in simple terms is a NAT router with
encryption.? It does not give you a public IP address for incoming
connections.
VPNs will allow our outgoing traffic to appear at a different public IP,
but you will still need a server at the public IP end to run the ratflector.
A container is like a light weight VM. and should have a lower monthly
fee than a full VM.?? The hosting companies will generally show you how
to set them up.
73,
-John, wb8tyw
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On 9/18/2022 9:32 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote: Indeed the router’s wan IP I s not the same PC IP that can be found
on whatismyip.com. I still scratching the babck omy head. I tried
yesterday to set the ratflector on Hughes HT2010 model router but did
not work neither. SO I ‘m doing the same mistake on both of them? There is probably nothing that you can configure to on your router to make it work. Your ISP is what is blocking you from running a public ratflector. That is what I have been trying to get you to understand. The instructions in the manual and the video do not deal with your ISP's configuration. The instructions only work with this configuration: PC <> Your Nat router <> ISP <> public Internet Your configuration is: PC <> Nat router <> ISP Nat Router <> Public Internet. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | The "ISP Nat Router" is what is stopping you. The port forwarding needs to be set on both NAT routers, or it will not work. And you need to check with your ISP to find out if there is any way to to set the ISP Nat router to forward port 9000. Looking back at your previous posts, your whatsmyip address is changing quite a bit. That indicates their may be multiple ISP NAT routers that would need to have the port forwarding set up. So it does not matter what router that you use. The directions just do not apply because of how your ISP has set up their network. What do you want to run a ratflector for? There are quite a few existing public ratflectors that do not appear to be heavily used. Is there any reason that you can not use one of them? Mmmmm I think so, or both companies do not support port forwarding??? To much of a coincidence. They support port forwarding, but it only works if the ISP is not also using NAT. As soon as you wrote that the WAN IP address did not match the whatsmyip reported IP address, as I have replied to you several times now, those instructions you have been trying to follow are never going to work. And it really does not matter how many different router models that you try. In my opinion I ‘m not doing it right And my mistakes is on what
ports and where should I have to place on the router. I did exactly
as this guy did it but the result is on the router. Again, those instructions do not apply to how your ISP has set up your connection to the internet. It does not matter what Nat Router that you use, or how you configure it. Your ISP is blocking you from having a ratflector that is visible on the public internet. About VPN well I ‘ll have to learn more about this kind of science jajajajja
ON the alternative I guess I ll have to learn How to do the Docker
container COA or the VM. I do not think that a VPN solution will work for you. You are using "Cell Phone" internet. A VPN in simple terms is a NAT router with encryption. It does not give you a public IP address for incoming connections. VPNs will allow our outgoing traffic to appear at a different public IP, but you will still need a server at the public IP end to run the ratflector. A container is like a light weight VM. and should have a lower monthly fee than a full VM. The hosting companies will generally show you how to set them up. 73, -John, wb8tyw
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Hopefully y'll can see this doc please comment on the ports setting WAN and LAN?
TNX
NP3JD
De: d-rats@groups.io <d-rats@groups.io> en nombre de John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>
Enviado: domingo, 18 de septiembre de 2022 2:07 p.?m.
Para: d-rats@groups.io <d-rats@groups.io>
Asunto: Re: [d-rats] ratflector
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On 9/18/2022 6:35 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote:
> Change of router then is the COA. I ll be using a Hughes HT2010 Lets
> see If that Router can do the Trick WG9115AAC22-HS model .
I do not expect that to work.? The settings have to changed at the NAT
router that is in the telephone company's data center.
?> Router’ s WAN IP address I no the same as PC IP address.
I am assuming that means the Router's WAN IP address is not the same as
the IP shown by the whatismyip.com.
Posted earlier:
On 9/16/2022 10:03 AM, David Ranch wrote:
?> This is not entirely true as a user has at least two more options:
?>
?>??? - The ISP's operated NAT is usually a form of Carrier Grade NAT
?> (CG-NAT) which should be able to support port forwarding via Port
?> Control Protocol (PCP) -
. The
?> enduser will need to contact their ISP to see if they support PCP for
?> their endusers
?>
?>??? - The end user can setup a VPN with a provider that supports port
?> forwarding or supports static IPs for their tunnels.? I've heard good
> success with vendors like vultr, etc.? The VPNs aren't too expensive
> to operate.
Other options are to rent a docker container or a VM for a hosting
company and just put the ratflector there.
73,
-John
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HI John
?
Indeed the router’s wan IP I s not the same PC IP that can be found on whatismyip.com.?? I still scratching the babck omy head. I tried yesterday to set the ratflector on Hughes HT2010 model router but did not work neither. SO I ‘m doing
the same mistake on both of them? Mmmmm ?I think so, or both companies? do not support port forwarding??? To much of a coincidence. In my opinion I ‘m not doing it right And my mistakes is on what ports and where should I have to place on the router. I did
exactly as this guy did it but the result is different If you can take a look from minutes 4:30 on where he is setting the port forward, on WAN PORT and LAN PORT in both I’m placing 9000 .
?
About VPN well I ‘ll have to learn more about this kind of science jajajajja
ON the alternative I guess I ll have to learn How to do the Docker container COA or the VM
?
V/R
NP3JD
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From: d-rats@groups.io <d-rats@groups.io> on behalf of John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 7:07:29 AM
To: d-rats@groups.io <d-rats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [d-rats] ratflector
On 9/18/2022 6:35 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote:
> Change of router then is the COA. I ll be using a Hughes HT2010 Lets
> see If that Router can do the Trick WG9115AAC22-HS model .
I do not expect that to work.? The settings have to changed at the NAT
router that is in the telephone company's data center.
?> Router’ s WAN IP address I no the same as PC IP address.
I am assuming that means the Router's WAN IP address is not the same as
the IP shown by the whatismyip.com.
Posted earlier:
On 9/16/2022 10:03 AM, David Ranch wrote:
?> This is not entirely true as a user has at least two more options:
?>
?>??? - The ISP's operated NAT is usually a form of Carrier Grade NAT
?> (CG-NAT) which should be able to support port forwarding via Port
?> Control Protocol (PCP) -
. The
?> enduser will need to contact their ISP to see if they support PCP for
?> their endusers
?>
?>??? - The end user can setup a VPN with a provider that supports port
?> forwarding or supports static IPs for their tunnels.? I've heard good
> success with vendors like vultr, etc.? The VPNs aren't too expensive
> to operate.
Other options are to rent a docker container or a VM for a hosting
company and just put the ratflector there.
73,
-John
Sent from for Windows
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On 9/18/2022 6:35 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote: Change of router then is the COA. I ll be using a Hughes HT2010 Lets
see If that Router can do the Trick WG9115AAC22-HS model . I do not expect that to work. The settings have to changed at the NAT router that is in the telephone company's data center. Router’ s WAN IP address I no the same as PC IP address. I am assuming that means the Router's WAN IP address is not the same as the IP shown by the whatismyip.com. Posted earlier: On 9/16/2022 10:03 AM, David Ranch wrote: This is not entirely true as a user has at least two more options:
- The ISP's operated NAT is usually a form of Carrier Grade NAT
(CG-NAT) which should be able to support port forwarding via Port
Control Protocol (PCP) - . The
enduser will need to contact their ISP to see if they support PCP for
their endusers
- The end user can setup a VPN with a provider that supports port
forwarding or supports static IPs for their tunnels. I've heard good
success with vendors like vultr, etc. The VPNs aren't too expensive
to operate. Other options are to rent a docker container or a VM for a hosting company and just put the ratflector there. 73, -John
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Change of router then is the COA. I ll be using a Hughes HT2010 Lets see If that Router can do the Trick
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V/R
NP3JD
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From: José David Colón Custodio
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:57 AM
To: d-rats@groups.io
Subject: Re: [d-rats] ratflector
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Router’ s WAN IP address I no the same as PC IP address.
?
I give up jajajajja
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NP3JD
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Sent from for Windows
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On 9/17/2022 5:44 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote:
> HI Michael, when you sat that I m using the? the LAN or wan? address where exactly is that piece of info need to be placed? On the router , on the ratflector?
>
> Just in case this are the step that I follow:
>
>??? 1.? My pc has an Static ip address 192.168.8.50.
>??? 2.? That Ip Address is on the router under virtual service as :
>?????? *?? wan port 9000-9500;
>?????? *?? ip 192.168.8.50 (pc static ip);
>?????? *??? lan port : 9000-9500,
>?????? *?? tcp/upd; status on.
>??? 3.? On the same router under DDNS I have the NOIP configuration :
>?????? *?? provider NO-IP.com;
>?????? *?? status on;
>?????? *?? domain name: np3jd.ddns.net;
>?????? *?? connection status: Connected.
>?????? *?? With username and password ok
Very important bit of information is still missing.
What IP address does your router say is was assigned?
If that address not 72.50.16.221, that means that you have two levels of
NAT translation going on, and that is the reason it is not working for you.
I mentioned that on a previous post.
The only manual I can find online is the Quick Start manual.
>??? 4.? On the pc I run UCD NOIP software so it can send the right IP every 5 minutes to np3jd.ddns.net on NOIP. Right now is 72.50.16.221 and UCD? will check every 5 minutes
You only need to NOIP set up on your NAT router.? Nothing is needed on
the PC, except the ratflector.
>??? 5.? I turn on the Drats repeater program. NO info added, nothing here no ip no nothing, I? just click on? “trust localhost”
You have found a minor bug in d-rats_repeater.py.? The "trust localhost"
is only needed if you have "Require Authentication" also checked.
So the trust localhost button should not be enabled unless you have
"Require Authentication" also enabled.
>??? 6.? On the same? laptop also I run DRATS with only 1 radio connected to net:localhost:9000. This is to see the traffic on the Drats repeater programs.
>??? 7.? I see on the drats? client on this pc that it is connected to drats repeater program
>
> But nothing I can not connect to it from another computer. AS a matter of fact UCD has under Tools menu a nice ingredient. It is a “Open Port Check Tool” if you click on it, it will take you to a web site
whre you can add the port and it will verify if it is working or not. And guess what jajaj mine aint working jajajajaj
>
> So where exactly on those steps do I have to put the WAN IP Address?????? Router set up? Drats repeater paths? Jajaaj this is driving my nuts jajajajajjaj
Earlier you posted that you can not reach the ratflector on a different
system on your network.
You need to check your PC firewall program to make sure that port 9000
is not blocking it.
You would need to use the current LAN IP 192.168.8.50 of the system
running the ratflector to work from another system on your own network.
That issue has nothing to do with your router configuration.? There is
no point in trying to get NO-IP to work until the above works.
Once you get it working with your LAN IP address of the ratflector, then
you can try testing with your public IP address.
Next you need to find out is what your NAT Router thinks the external IP
address is.? I asked you to do that check before.
If it is not 72.50.16.221, then you will probably have to see if you can
find a support person for your wireless provider that knows how to make
your port 9000 visible.
Also check terms and conditions of your ISP, in the U.S. many of the
residential ISPs explicitly prohibit running a server visible to the
public internet.
73,
-John
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Router’ s WAN IP address I no the same as PC IP address.
?
I give up jajajajja
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NP3JD
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From: John E. Malmberg
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:14 AM
To: d-rats@groups.io
Subject: Re: [d-rats] ratflector
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On 9/17/2022 5:44 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote:
> HI Michael, when you sat that I m using the? the LAN or wan? address where exactly is that piece of info need to be placed? On the router , on the ratflector?
>
> Just in case this are the step that I follow:
>
>??? 1.? My pc has an Static ip address 192.168.8.50.
>??? 2.? That Ip Address is on the router under virtual service as :
>?????? *?? wan port 9000-9500;
>?????? *?? ip 192.168.8.50 (pc static ip);
>?????? *??? lan port : 9000-9500,
>?????? *?? tcp/upd; status on.
>??? 3.? On the same router under DDNS I have the NOIP configuration :
>?????? *?? provider NO-IP.com;
>?????? *?? status on;
>?????? *?? domain name: np3jd.ddns.net;
>?????? *?? connection status: Connected.
>?????? *?? With username and password ok
Very important bit of information is still missing.
What IP address does your router say is was assigned?
If that address not 72.50.16.221, that means that you have two levels of
NAT translation going on, and that is the reason it is not working for you.
I mentioned that on a previous post.
The only manual I can find online is the Quick Start manual.
>??? 4.? On the pc I run UCD NOIP software so it can send the right IP every 5 minutes to np3jd.ddns.net on NOIP. Right now is 72.50.16.221 and UCD? will check every 5 minutes
You only need to NOIP set up on your NAT router.? Nothing is needed on
the PC, except the ratflector.
>??? 5.? I turn on the Drats repeater program. NO info added, nothing here no ip no nothing, I? just click on? “trust localhost”
You have found a minor bug in d-rats_repeater.py.? The "trust localhost"
is only needed if you have "Require Authentication" also checked.
So the trust localhost button should not be enabled unless you have
"Require Authentication" also enabled.
>??? 6.? On the same? laptop also I run DRATS with only 1 radio connected to net:localhost:9000. This is to see the traffic on the Drats repeater programs.
>??? 7.? I see on the drats? client on this pc that it is connected to drats repeater program
>
> But nothing I can not connect to it from another computer. AS a matter of fact UCD has under Tools menu a nice ingredient. It is a “Open Port Check Tool” if you click on it, it will take you to a web site
whre you can add the port and it will verify if it is working or not. And guess what jajaj mine aint working jajajajaj
>
> So where exactly on those steps do I have to put the WAN IP Address?????? Router set up? Drats repeater paths? Jajaaj this is driving my nuts jajajajajjaj
Earlier you posted that you can not reach the ratflector on a different
system on your network.
You need to check your PC firewall program to make sure that port 9000
is not blocking it.
You would need to use the current LAN IP 192.168.8.50 of the system
running the ratflector to work from another system on your own network.
That issue has nothing to do with your router configuration.? There is
no point in trying to get NO-IP to work until the above works.
Once you get it working with your LAN IP address of the ratflector, then
you can try testing with your public IP address.
Next you need to find out is what your NAT Router thinks the external IP
address is.? I asked you to do that check before.
If it is not 72.50.16.221, then you will probably have to see if you can
find a support person for your wireless provider that knows how to make
your port 9000 visible.
Also check terms and conditions of your ISP, in the U.S. many of the
residential ISPs explicitly prohibit running a server visible to the
public internet.
73,
-John
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On 9/16/2022 10:03 AM, David Ranch wrote: Hello John,
All IPV4 addresses are now assigned. Any thoughts on how much work it would be to make D-Rats be IPv6 compatible?? IPv6 is clearly the future of the Internet, most ISPs support it now, and the ridiculous number of IPs you get from your ISP are all publicly reachable. I am not setup for IPV6 to smoke test things at this time. The raflector may just work if you try to connect to it by its IPV6 address. 73, -John wb8tyw
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On 9/17/2022 5:44 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote: HI Michael, when you sat that I m using the the LAN or wan address where exactly is that piece of info need to be placed? On the router , on the ratflector?
Just in case this are the step that I follow:
1. My pc has an Static ip address 192.168.8.50.
2. That Ip Address is on the router under virtual service as :
* wan port 9000-9500;
* ip 192.168.8.50 (pc static ip);
* lan port : 9000-9500,
* tcp/upd; status on.
3. On the same router under DDNS I have the NOIP configuration :
* provider NO-IP.com;
* status on;
* domain name: np3jd.ddns.net;
* connection status: Connected.
* With username and password ok Very important bit of information is still missing. What IP address does your router say is was assigned? If that address not 72.50.16.221, that means that you have two levels of NAT translation going on, and that is the reason it is not working for you. I mentioned that on a previous post. The only manual I can find online is the Quick Start manual. 4. On the pc I run UCD NOIP software so it can send the right IP every 5 minutes to np3jd.ddns.net on NOIP. Right now is 72.50.16.221 and UCD will check every 5 minutes You only need to NOIP set up on your NAT router. Nothing is needed on the PC, except the ratflector. 5. I turn on the Drats repeater program. NO info added, nothing here no ip no nothing, I just click on “trust localhost” You have found a minor bug in d-rats_repeater.py. The "trust localhost" is only needed if you have "Require Authentication" also checked. So the trust localhost button should not be enabled unless you have "Require Authentication" also enabled. 6. On the same laptop also I run DRATS with only 1 radio connected to net:localhost:9000. This is to see the traffic on the Drats repeater programs.
7. I see on the drats client on this pc that it is connected to drats repeater program
But nothing I can not connect to it from another computer. AS a matter of fact UCD has under Tools menu a nice ingredient. It is a “Open Port Check Tool” if you click on it, it will take you to a web site whre you can add the port and it will verify if it is working or not. And guess what jajaj mine aint working jajajajaj
So where exactly on those steps do I have to put the WAN IP Address?????? Router set up? Drats repeater paths? Jajaaj this is driving my nuts jajajajajjaj Earlier you posted that you can not reach the ratflector on a different system on your network. You need to check your PC firewall program to make sure that port 9000 is not blocking it. You would need to use the current LAN IP 192.168.8.50 of the system running the ratflector to work from another system on your own network. That issue has nothing to do with your router configuration. There is no point in trying to get NO-IP to work until the above works. Once you get it working with your LAN IP address of the ratflector, then you can try testing with your public IP address. Next you need to find out is what your NAT Router thinks the external IP address is. I asked you to do that check before. If it is not 72.50.16.221, then you will probably have to see if you can find a support person for your wireless provider that knows how to make your port 9000 visible. Also check terms and conditions of your ISP, in the U.S. many of the residential ISPs explicitly prohibit running a server visible to the public internet. 73, -John
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HI Michael, when you sat that I m using the ?the LAN or wan ?address where exactly is that piece of info need to be placed? On the router , on the ratflector?
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Just in case this are the step that I follow:
- My pc has an Static ip address 192.168.8.50.
- That Ip Address is on the router under virtual service as :
- wan port 9000-9500;
- ip 192.168.8.50 (pc static ip);
- ?lan port : 9000-9500,
- tcp/upd; status on.
- On the same router under DDNS I have the NOIP configuration :
- provider NO-IP.com;
- status on;
- domain name: np3jd.ddns.net;
- connection status: Connected.
- With username and password ok
- On the pc I run UCD NOIP software so it can send the right IP every 5 minutes to np3jd.ddns.net on NOIP. Right now is 72.50.16.221 and UCD ?will check every 5 minutes
- I turn on the Drats repeater program. NO info added, nothing here no ip no nothing, I ?just click on ?“trust localhost”???
- On the same ?laptop also I run DRATS with only 1 radio connected to net:localhost:9000. This is to see the traffic on the Drats repeater programs.
- I see on the drats ?client on this pc that it is connected to drats repeater program
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But nothing I can not connect to it from another computer. AS a matter of fact UCD has under Tools menu a nice ingredient. It is a “Open Port Check Tool” if you click on it, it will take you to a web site
whre you can add the port and it will verify if it is working or not. And guess what jajaj mine aint working jajajajaj
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So where exactly on those steps do I have to put the WAN IP Address?????? Router set up? Drats repeater paths? Jajaaj this is driving my nuts jajajajajjaj
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V/R
Jose
NP3JD
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PS We are specting Fiona Storm in Puerto Rico, hopefully no Donkey jajajajja
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From: Michael Mandell
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 1:56 AM
To: d-rats@groups.io
Subject: Re: [d-rats] ratflector
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I think you are using your LAN IP address, not your WAN IP address. A LAN IP can be fixed (static) which only means when you reboot your router that device gets the same internal IP address. That has nothing to do with your WAN IP address,
which is what you need. That is the real IP address your router is using to reach the internet. As I'm sure you know, most ISPs give you a dynamic address...they can change it from time to time and often do. A static IP address often costs more. You can also
get one free from a number of services that you can route through. A static IP address is beneficial to an internet asset (like a ratflector) so other people can find it in the same place all the time. Otherwise, it can work, but you may have to give everyone
your current IP address frequently.?
This is my IP address (at the moment)?131.106.226.224?
Yours will be totally different and unique. Anything with 192.168.xxxxxx is a local address only on your own LAN.?
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I think you are using your LAN IP address, not your WAN IP address. A LAN IP can be fixed (static) which only means when you reboot your router that device gets the same internal IP address. That has nothing to do with your WAN IP address, which is what you need. That is the real IP address your router is using to reach the internet. As I'm sure you know, most ISPs give you a dynamic address...they can change it from time to time and often do. A static IP address often costs more. You can also get one free from a number of services that you can route through. A static IP address is beneficial to an internet asset (like a ratflector) so other people can find it in the same place all the time. Otherwise, it can work, but you may have to give everyone your current IP address frequently.?
This is my IP address (at the moment)?131.106.226.224?
Yours will be totally different and unique. Anything with 192.168.xxxxxx is a local address only on your own LAN.?
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Well I did as A Type I got? np3jd.ddns.net BUT I still can not access it,?
NP3JD
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Hello John,
All IPV4 addresses are now assigned.
Any thoughts on how much work it would be to make D-Rats be IPv6
compatible?? IPv6 is clearly the future of the Internet, most ISPs
support it now, and the ridiculous number of IPs you get from your
ISP are all publicly reachable.
If it does not match the whatismyip.com report, then running a
public ratflector is a lost cause.
It is very likely that your configuration is:
public Internet IP -- ISP NAT private IP -- Your router -- Your
network with private IP addresses.
This is not entirely true as a user has at least two more options:
? - The ISP's operated NAT is usually a form of Carrier Grade NAT
(CG-NAT) which should be able to support port forwarding via Port
Control Protocol (PCP) - .?
The enduser will need to contact their ISP to see if they support
PCP for their endusers
? - The end user can setup a VPN with a provider that supports port
forwarding or supports static IPs for their tunnels.? I've heard
good success with vendors like vultr, etc.? The VPNs aren't too
expensive to operate.
Also it is recommended that UPNP (Universal Plug and Play) be
disabled.
I also generally recommend disabling UPnP as most of the router
implementations of that stack are known to have many various
security vulnerabilities (Google it.. it's really bad).?
Unfortunately, some of the CG-NAT solutions out there support the
configuration of PCP via the enduser's UPnP stack.? Again.. the user
will need to contact their ISP to understand how it's done for their
specific network.
--David
KI6ZHD
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On 9/15/2022 6:01 AM, José David Colón Custodio wrote: HI John thanks for the info. The best I can tell is that the software
for port forwarding runs on the pc. I guess that this software once
get inside the router, runs some sort of script that is supposed to
create the port forwarding inside the router. The router that I 'm
using is a Huawei b 315s. It recieves the signal form the internet
service company directly, so I do not have a third item between laptop
and router. It is some sort of all in one thing, with wifi, lan ports etc. All IPV4 addresses are now assigned. Because of that, many ISPs are now using private non-routable IP addresses to their customers. The is the case for Smart Phones that I have, the phone company only issues non-routable IP addresses to the phones. Any the manual for the Huawei b 315 shows that it does not have a WAN port, only a SIM card. Which means you are using Cell Phone Internet. You need to look up the IP address that the WAN port on Huawei b 315s is currently set to. If it does not match the whatismyip.com report, then running a public ratflector is a lost cause. It is very likely that your configuration is: public Internet IP -- ISP NAT private IP -- Your router -- Your network with private IP addresses. As far as software on a PC configuring a router for port forwarding, the only way that works if the router has a remote configuration option that matches the PC software. None of the commercial Nat routers that I have used have had such a documented API. So I would be very suspicious of any downloadable software that claims it can do that. Also it is recommended that UPNP (Universal Plug and Play) be disabled. My current ISP supplied the WIFI-NAT-Router, but I do have the admin password for it. I have username and password for it that can set a limited number of settings. 73, -John
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HI Glenn et Als. I jumped this morning to NOIP. It seems that the account was created succesfully. I m not using the rpi right now run some test, just in case I ve done something wrong on the static ip address on the pi.?
I'll leave this? link here just in case some else is following this topic, now or in the future. I ll also shar this link on how to set up an static ip on RPI which takes another way form that shared by Ron N7BU on the pdf that is on files on this group.io.?
I downloaded the PC version of NOIP DCU on the laptop and it was really easy. I also created a hostname np3jd.ddns.net
SO far?
1. laptop is running on static ip
2. router has been set up a per the video that I previously shared on this topic : Tha includes
(a).creating a port forward with the static ip addres of the pc? under virtual server and
(b)adding the NOIP account under DDNS on the router with NOIP NP3JD user name; ddns.net server
3. I installed the DCU software on the laptop and is on and running.
4. The noip account shows that the hostname is: (a) active, (b)with the pc ip address (c)Type A hostname
BUT jajaja the Router shows under DDNS that there is an acces error. I guess I ll have to wait 24 hours or something to see if the host name is active
V/R
Jose
NP3JD?
PS sorry for my english I think in spanish and then translate jajajajja 73
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