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Re: Will there ever be a time when the DMPS line doesn't suck?

Paul Cunningham
 

how do you convince a salesman to stop selling DMPS's?
1.) Make him help with the next installation
2.) Unbudgeted labor comes out of his commission

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From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of wretaudio
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 11:50 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Will there ever be a time when the DMPS line doesn't suck?

Long compile times, firmware update failures, hardware failures, long boot times, long initialize times, inaccurate feedback, new device databases that make your older programs stop working..............etc., etc., etc.,

Our sales guys love this box and our installers and programmers can't make them stop selling it. I guess my real question is, how do you convince a salesman to stop selling DMPS's?



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Re: Will there ever be a time when the DMPS line doesn't suck?

 

I am to the point where I do not believe that any money is saved by the cost savings of there boxes due to the amount of time lost in firmware updating, programming, and debugging. I have lost quite a bit of time recently when a DMPS went bad, so we replaced it, but all of our DSP settings were lost forever, so we had to tune the DSP all over again. We also had to make yet another trip too the job site because we failed to turn phantom power on on the mic inputs, since that setting was lost when we changed out the DMPS's. Every time I use a DMPS, I find another reason to hate these boxes.

--- In Crestron@..., "jbudz1977" <jbudz1977@...> wrote:

I don't think so... they will always be a pain to work with until they eliminate the uber-module and let us have direct hardware access like we do in a DM-MDXxX.

I'v been pretty annoyed by the database changes, especially the one that made the COM ports stop working - lost hours trying to figure out what was going on, it wasn't until I posted here that the answer was found.

The biggest problem with the DMPS is that the box has awesome features for an awesome price, so salespeople will continue to specify it. If you look at the total cost of re-creating a DMPS-300-C using a control processor and a DM8x8 it will be a lot more $$, and you would still need a 3rd party DSP for the mics.

Another big problem with the DMPS is that it seems to be very stable once it is programmed and tested, and my customers are very happy with it, ordering more all the time.

Maybe tell the salespeople to double their programming estimates with DMPS to account for all the dead time that the unit causes.

Personally, I feel major resentment towards Crestron about this box. I have a strong suspicion that the pain that these boxes cause is not necessary, but some manager said "it has to have a front panel" and "it has to have an uber-module to make it 'easy' to program."

The most success I've had with these is in cookie-cutter rooms, it's not so bad to configure and upload to one of these, I can usually get it done in about an hour or so.



--- In Crestron@..., "wretaudio" <wretaudio@> wrote:

Long compile times, firmware update failures, hardware failures, long boot times, long initialize times, inaccurate feedback, new device databases that make your older programs stop working..............etc., etc., etc.,

Our sales guys love this box and our installers and programmers can't make them stop selling it. I guess my real question is, how do you convince a salesman to stop selling DMPS's?


Re: Will there ever be a time when the DMPS line doesn't suck?

 

I don't think so... they will always be a pain to work with until they eliminate the uber-module and let us have direct hardware access like we do in a DM-MDXxX.

I'v been pretty annoyed by the database changes, especially the one that made the COM ports stop working - lost hours trying to figure out what was going on, it wasn't until I posted here that the answer was found.

The biggest problem with the DMPS is that the box has awesome features for an awesome price, so salespeople will continue to specify it. If you look at the total cost of re-creating a DMPS-300-C using a control processor and a DM8x8 it will be a lot more $$, and you would still need a 3rd party DSP for the mics.

Another big problem with the DMPS is that it seems to be very stable once it is programmed and tested, and my customers are very happy with it, ordering more all the time.

Maybe tell the salespeople to double their programming estimates with DMPS to account for all the dead time that the unit causes.

Personally, I feel major resentment towards Crestron about this box. I have a strong suspicion that the pain that these boxes cause is not necessary, but some manager said "it has to have a front panel" and "it has to have an uber-module to make it 'easy' to program."

The most success I've had with these is in cookie-cutter rooms, it's not so bad to configure and upload to one of these, I can usually get it done in about an hour or so.

--- In Crestron@..., "wretaudio" <wretaudio@...> wrote:

Long compile times, firmware update failures, hardware failures, long boot times, long initialize times, inaccurate feedback, new device databases that make your older programs stop working..............etc., etc., etc.,

Our sales guys love this box and our installers and programmers can't make them stop selling it. I guess my real question is, how do you convince a salesman to stop selling DMPS's?


Will there ever be a time when the DMPS line doesn't suck?

 

Long compile times, firmware update failures, hardware failures, long boot times, long initialize times, inaccurate feedback, new device databases that make your older programs stop working..............etc., etc., etc.,

Our sales guys love this box and our installers and programmers can't make them stop selling it. I guess my real question is, how do you convince a salesman to stop selling DMPS's?


2-series error log - Autonomics - "Could not allocate local storage"

 

So I'm having this ongoing problem controlling a Mirage Media Server. I'm using their newest module (3.1) and a Pro2. After a week-10 days of uptime, the following error pops up and the Pro2 stops communicating with the Mirage:

Error: Module S-4.5.15.2.1:S-24 : S2_Autonomic_MMS_IP_Processor_v3_1 at line 1538: Could not allocate local storage. Terminating
TimeStamp: 14:18:48 12-25-12 UpTime: 10 days 00:21:18.54 Task: S07700b

I'm a noob when it comes to programming, but I have done several projects integrating the Mirage and haven't run into this problem before. This is an older project that I didn't program originally. I'm simply adding this as a source. The program is stored on the CF card, not sure if that has anything to do with it.

Any advice would be great!


Re: Honeywell HRDP series DVR

 

Guys Help !!!

i really need help with this i have a big project that i am working with and i need the RS232 commands for this DVR or if someone had developed this module that would be great.

Medo

--- In Crestron@..., Chris Erskine <chris@...> wrote:

Has anyone controlled a HRDP series recorder? If you have a module it would be great but even if you can answer a couple of questions.



Chris



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Re: D3 Scheduler

 

Missed the D3 in the topic. To answer Heath's question, yes you can modify
the schedule file without rebuilding and reloading the program. You would
grab the schedule file off the processor using File Manager and then edit
the text file, then reload it back to the same location and reboot the
processor.


Mark

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Gregg M <jets_in_2003@...> wrote:

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Thanks but I just ended up running it through a variable

--- In Crestron@..., Heath Volmer <hvolmer@...> wrote:

Is it possible to modify D3 schedule times without rebuilding and
loading the program? I see a bunch of things in the "real-time view"
but I'm not really sure where to go.

Thanks, Heath


Re: MTX-3 or PTX-3 rebooting late at night.

m76jc
 

Tony is right. It also resets based on the processor time so if your time is not set right in the processor it could reset earlier or later.

--- In Crestron@..., "Tony Golden" <mrgolden@...> wrote:

FYI, the latest TPMC-3X firmware Release Notes states the panel will perform a
"maintenance mode" (i.e., reboot) at 2 AM every day, if it's not in use at the
time. Although it's not mentioned in the MTX-3's Release Notes, I'd be
surprised if the same didn't apply.


--- on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 at 6:03 PM, LENREX wrote:

I'm wondering if this is Prodigy processor specific only? Or if MC3's do it
too? Or if it's purely a PTX-3 & MTX-3 hardware issue where the remote gets
it's time from the processor somehow and reboots itself. I've tried
changing the time on the processor and or adding clock drivers in SIMPL yet
no difference. Still reboots at @ 11pm PST EVERY night.

I personally have a PMC3 & PTX3. I have a client with 2) PMC3-XP's &
MTX3's. And I know another dealer that has PMC3 & PTX3 rebooting issues as
well.

My Pro2>Cenrfgwex>MTX3 clients either haven't noticed this issue and
haven't told me, or they don't have this problem...?

--- In Crestron@..., "Block-O-Matic" <michael@> wrote:

A PMC-2+ and ptx-3

--- In Crestron@..., "LENREX" <lenrex@> wrote:

What processor/remote do you have?

--- In Crestron@..., "Block-O-Matic" <michael@> wrote:

Yes, that happened. It will again tonight.

mb

--- In Crestron@..., "LENREX" <lenrex@> wrote:

Has anybody seen their MTX-3 or PTX-3 reboot late at night? Around
11pm PST or 2am EST?


Re: D3 Scheduler

 

Thanks but I just ended up running it through a variable

--- In Crestron@..., Heath Volmer <hvolmer@...> wrote:

Is it possible to modify D3 schedule times without rebuilding and
loading the program? I see a bunch of things in the "real-time view"
but I'm not really sure where to go.

Thanks, Heath


Re: D3 Scheduler

 

Yes, just run the output of the event from the event scheduler into an AND
and use the button feedback to enable the other input of the AND, then run
the AND into a OS or WPULSE.


Mark

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Gregg M <jets_in_2003@...> wrote:

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Is it possible to Set up a scheduler event and only have it run based on a
button's feedback in d3?



D3 Scheduler

 

Is it possible to Set up a scheduler event and only have it run based on a button's feedback in d3?


Re: XBMC not giving thumbnails with MC3 and SystemBuilder

 

--- In Crestron@..., "dtxmatt" <matt@...> wrote:

I've been working with Neil Carthy trying to get a XBMC project working in SystemBuilder with a MC3 processor. No matter what we've tried I'm still not getting the thumbnails.

Has anyone been successful with XBMC, SystemBuilder, and a MC3?
Bump, still looking for any success stories. Thanks.


Mestro Shied

gsusmood
 

Guys greeting on this Holidays!

I have to program some 25 Shutters via Maestro Shield, As far as I been browsing in their web site, this is what i came with:

Configuration Commands
UX (U1-U15) Latches motor X to move up
DX (D1-D15) Latches motor X to move down
SX(S1-S15) StopsmotorX
Channel 15 is an ALL channel and will move all motors at the same time E.g.: - U5 = Motor 5 will begin moving up.

What symbol should I use with this a SIO?


Re: Christmas 2013

 

LOL!!

Oops. Just a little typo. The bad part is I had not even had any Christmas spirits at that point. :)

--- In Crestron@..., Phil Bridges <gravityhammer@...> wrote:

Now that's a head start! :D


On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:34 PM, eagrubbs <eagrubbs@...> wrote:

**


MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!!!!!!!

I hope you all have a great Christmas. Enjoy the family time and thanks
for all the help you guys/gals have provided.



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Re: MTX-3 or PTX-3 rebooting late at night.

 

FYI, the latest TPMC-3X firmware Release Notes states the panel will perform a
"maintenance mode" (i.e., reboot) at 2 AM every day, if it's not in use at the
time. Although it's not mentioned in the MTX-3's Release Notes, I'd be
surprised if the same didn't apply.

--- on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 at 6:03 PM, LENREX wrote:

I'm wondering if this is Prodigy processor specific only? Or if MC3's do it
too? Or if it's purely a PTX-3 & MTX-3 hardware issue where the remote gets
it's time from the processor somehow and reboots itself. I've tried
changing the time on the processor and or adding clock drivers in SIMPL yet
no difference. Still reboots at @ 11pm PST EVERY night.

I personally have a PMC3 & PTX3. I have a client with 2) PMC3-XP's &
MTX3's. And I know another dealer that has PMC3 & PTX3 rebooting issues as
well.

My Pro2>Cenrfgwex>MTX3 clients either haven't noticed this issue and
haven't told me, or they don't have this problem...?

--- In Crestron@..., "Block-O-Matic" <michael@...> wrote:

A PMC-2+ and ptx-3

--- In Crestron@..., "LENREX" <lenrex@> wrote:

What processor/remote do you have?

--- In Crestron@..., "Block-O-Matic" <michael@> wrote:

Yes, that happened. It will again tonight.

mb

--- In Crestron@..., "LENREX" <lenrex@> wrote:

Has anybody seen their MTX-3 or PTX-3 reboot late at night? Around
11pm PST or 2am EST?


Re: Pakedge Reliability

jgreenink16
 

I don't like that the poe switch interfaces are only correct in IE, but I just use chrome or firefox anyway and deal with the mis-alignment. The interfaces may be a little slow, but I don't find them to be any slower than any other manufacturer's interfaces for managed equipment. There are quirks with the stuff, but it's still so much better than any other solution unless you outsource it.

--- In Crestron@..., "floyd1212" <floyd1212@...> wrote:

For the most part we have had few problems with the hardware. We did have a PoE switch that lost its configuration (with VLANs) twice. But it hasn't happened again.

My only other gripe is that the web interfaces to configure the WAPs and the switches is painfully slow and does not render properly in all browsers. The interface for the routers (re-badged Fortinets) is much better.


--- In Crestron@..., "jgreenink16" <jgreenink16@> wrote:

I have to chime in here as well and report nothing but good things about pakedge. I've worked with them directly on a lot of things and they're all very helpful. What issues are you having?

--- In Crestron@..., "m.nguyen" <mpninc@> wrote:

We have been using pakedge as well and it been pretty solid aside from the
issue with ps3 with virtual cell.
On Dec 22, 2012 5:22 PM, "Kris" <kris.k@> wrote:

**


Never had hardware issues. Only issues with improper setup, wiring or
implementation. Got to love IT issues!

--- In Crestron@..., "Bill Karlis" <vkarlisc@> wrote:

Hello All :-)

For our crestron IT backbone, we've been using Pakedge routers,
switches, access points and their virtual kit lately.

Occasionally, we seem to be having network issues at clients homes and
apartments. Its not often but does seem to happen.

I am trying to narrow it down whether its a problem on our side with
running wires / terminating ends properly etc.

Has anyone else had hardware issues with Pakedge gear?

Thanks in advance,
Bill


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Re: prodigy mc3

metdeathx
 

Should be fine as long as you don't plan to add a lot of Crestron gear to the system. I had a good bit of stuff controlled by my PMC3.

I had an Xbox 360, a HTPC, Sony Blu-Ray changer, TV, Home Theater receiver, PS3, PS2, Roku all hooked up and controlled using IR spliters and other little "hacks"

The only other problem you may run into is if you don't have the Mobile Pro app, your TP file may run over the free size limit.

--- In Crestron@..., Paul Mclean <horsis139@...> wrote:

I am not new to Crestron but
?I am new to doing myself?
Have been paying others to do this for 10 years?
My turn now?

Any way I bought prodigy PMC3 (hope that was not a mistake)
intent is:
?control for theater with I-pad?

replacing older cp2 (no ethernet)
no access to software
programmer died

have?
vutec on relay

direct tv ?(IR)

blue ray ?(IR)


sony str d2es (IR)

JVC DLAX 90 ?(iR ?)

graffic eye 4 button (serial)

Is this going to work?

will graffic eye integrate on serial or is that prodigy only

Thank You

Paul
AHT PHX AZ



Re: Ethernet Intersystem Communication question (yay!... right?)

metdeathx
 

The Prodigy stuff is on hand, and I really only need it to do some small stuff. As far as the EIC, it's just control a BDP-7000ES, a Roku, and serial switcher. Granted, I have to wait until next demo dollars to make some changes to fully use all of that stuff (need and 8x2).

--- In Crestron@..., "LENREX" <lenrex@...> wrote:

I'd add another MC3 or CEN-CI3 with appropriate cards. I'd avoid using prodigy processors, with regular Crestron stuff. You'll just get pigeon-holed in the future. And yeah, I know PMC3's are probably cheaper.

--- In Crestron@..., "metdeathx" <metdeathx@> wrote:

In my personal system I have a MC3 that controls two rooms, each have some "local" sources, and there are some shared sources (BDP-7000ES, Roku, analog video switcher).

I'm thinking about adding a third room using a PMC3 and EIC, will that actually work? I can add the EIC symbol to the PMC3 system, and to the MC3. However, before I go about the ardous task of adding the handlers for those sources to the EIC, has anyone done anything similar?

If so, any pitfalls I should look out for? I'm not likely to run 1000s of symbols between the systems, just basic things like play/pause/stop, a few feedback and interlock states for the shared devices.


Re: Crestron 2 series processor

horsis139
 

--- In Crestron@..., "steve_advanced" <maverick2112@...> wrote:

I am looking for a used 2 series processor to be used to drive some lighting at my house. I f anyone has a unit laying around an is in need of some quick cash, drop me a noe and we can discuss.

Thanks

Steve
i have an older CP2 it is in use but I will be replacing as soon as I finish new one


prodigy mc3

Paul Mclean
 

I am not new to Crestron but
?I am new to doing myself?
Have been paying others to do this for 10 years?
My turn now?

Any way I bought prodigy PMC3 (hope that was not a mistake)
intent is:
?control for theater with I-pad?

replacing older cp2 (no ethernet)
no access to software
programmer died

have?
vutec on relay

direct tv ?(IR)

blue ray ?(IR)


sony str d2es (IR)

JVC DLAX 90 ?(iR ?)

graffic eye 4 button (serial)

Is this going to work?

will graffic eye integrate on serial or is that prodigy only

Thank You

Paul
AHT PHX AZ

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