Re: Looking for Tooling for my Atlas/Craftsman 101.07403 Lathe
That's not actually a tool holder. It's the compound slide. A T-nut fits in it, and helps clamp the tool holder to the slide. There are a couple common types of tool holders that can fit the Atlas lathes. One is the "Lantern" or American style. Looks like the one in the first photo.?
The 2nd type is a quick change tool post, or QCTP. Probably the most common of those is the Aloris style. If you look at recent threads in the group you'll find I normally refer to them as the AXA style. That's incorrect, as Aloris first made them. It's just what I bought first for my Atlas TH42. Which is a 10" lathe. They'll also work on the 12" Atlas/Craftsman lathes. If your lathe is a 6", you'd need an 0XA. Same design, sized for 6"-8" lathes.?https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002YPDQ4G?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title? This is the one I bought, years ago. And they're not necessarily the best deal. There is also a Multifix QCTP. Even the import copies are expensive, but they look sweet!?
You can also get a 4-way tool block. The Harbor Freight 7x lathes come with one of those. I put an 0XA on mine, but didn't actually use it before I traded the lath in for a couple Unimats.?https://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html that's the same lathe I had before I got my TH42. The tool block is visible in the photo.?
Personally, I think you need both a lantern style with tool holders and a QCTP. The lantern style is fussier, less rigid, and can be expensive to set up since they're no longer in production ?But they can do things the QCTP cannot. You can really push the size envelope on a lathe with the lantern style and some tool holders.?
OTH, the QCTP is rigid, adjustable and repeatable, sometimes hard to do with the lantern style. Great for production work, making multiple copies of something. That's essential in a production shop, but less so in a home or hobby shop.?
If you're just fiddling around, either will probably do you fine. If you are restoring an automobile, or motorcycle, firearm, or much of anything else, both are very handy.?
If you're perennially broke like many of us are, you can make an early version of the QCTP. A Van Norman style tool post can be made on the lathe. No other machinery required, though a milling attachment or mill would make it easier.?
As far as guidance on tooling, I found that most of the tooling I bought for my 7x10 mini-lathe was usable on my TH42. The Atlas/Craftsman 10" & 12" lathes have a MT3 spindle taper, and MT2 tailstock taper. Same as all the 7x?? Mini-lathes. 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" lathe tools and blanks can be used on them, too. You can get faceplates that will let you adapt the chucks in either direction, too. I'm not familiar with any of the 6" Atlas/Craftsman lathes, so can't tell you what might work on one of those. But Little Machine Shop has stuff that will fit them, too. I've dealt with them several times over the past 16 years, always been happy with them. Shars, and CDCO tools, are also good folks to deal with. Only bought a few things from Grizzly, but was happy with them, too.
HTH!
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Sunday, October 27, 2024 at 07:56:19 AM CDT, Joseph Azzarello via groups.io <environjoe@...> wrote:
Hello!
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I am very new to the Atlas/Craftsman lathe in fact I picked up a lathe last weekend. I have not touched a lathe in 50 years so am a bit rusty with everything! I have ordered a couple of books to learn from to help bring me up to speed. It had no tooling with it and I am trying to find some I can purchase. The lathe I bought did come with a toolholder but nothing else. {see photo} Can someone direct me to where and what I should purchase to get started. Both Grizzly and Little Machine Shop have tool packages however I am not sure what would work for me. Can someone provide me with some direction? Thanks in advance.
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Joe
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Re: Looking for Tooling for my Atlas/Craftsman 101.07403 Lathe
Welcome to the world of Atlas Lathes, Joe.
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Some questions for you:
What model lathe did you get? ?They made a 6" swing, a 10" swing and a 12" swing, I think, and recommendations will vary.
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The simplest is the traditional ROCKER STYLE (some call 'em Lantern Style) tool post. ?Next step up would be a block tool holder, where you might be able to mount two or more tools and rotate the block to bring a tool into use. ?Finally (and there are variations and opinions here too) would be a Quick Change Tool Post. ?Knowing the size of your lathe will dictate what choices make more or less sense.
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Did your lathe come with change gears or a Quick Change Gear Box?
We'd love to see more pictures of your lathe
Charlie
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Looking for Tooling for my Atlas/Craftsman 101.07403 Lathe
Hello!
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I am very new to the Atlas/Craftsman lathe in fact I picked up a lathe last weekend. I have not touched a lathe in 50 years so am a bit rusty with everything! I have ordered a couple of books to learn from to help bring me up to speed. It had no tooling with it and I am trying to find some I can purchase. The lathe I bought did come with a toolholder but nothing else. {see photo} Can someone direct me to where and what I should purchase to get started. Both Grizzly and Little Machine Shop have tool packages however I am not sure what would work for me. Can someone provide me with some direction? Thanks in advance.
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Joe
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Re: Hello. New Owner of Old Atlas Mill
Hello Conjada,
I too received one as a gift completely disassembled. i have been working on restoring it for the past few weeks this Forum really helped me find information.? i have attached a few documents that may help you and some photos of my work in process.?
also there is a very thorough series of YouTube videos on the complete disassembly and reassembly of an Atlas Milling Machine created by
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here are the 5 video links in order:
disassembly:
Reassembly Part1:
Reassembly Part 2:
Reassembly Part 3:
Reassembly Part 4:
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they are very concise and really helped me get my Model MF project rolling. I still have lots more to do. but im making progress !
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best wishes for your project
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Steve Lil <><
Wanaque NJ USA
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Re: atlas 10" headstock reassembly
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Re: atlas 10" headstock reassembly
No grease on spindle bearings!? Use spindle oil. I use Zoom Spout oil.
hi all, I am at the stage where i think i can put the headstock back together.? As allways with these things i have done some research into what grease to use for the timkin bearings and ending up learning far too much and still none the wiser.
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what grease should i use please?
many thanks
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Re: atlas 10" headstock reassembly
Mine wants spindle oil, not grease. Only place that uses grease is the shaft bearings for the countershaft.? SAE10 non-detergent oil is specified in the older manuals & lube charts. SAE20 for later references.?
Look in files for the lube chart.
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Saturday, October 26, 2024 at 01:04:08 AM CDT, hedgesben@... <hedgesben@...> wrote:
hi all, I am at the stage where i think i can put the headstock back together.? As allways with these things i have done some research into what grease to use for the timkin bearings and ending up learning far too much and still none the wiser.
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what grease should i use please?
many thanks
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atlas 10" headstock reassembly
hi all, I am at the stage where i think i can put the headstock back together.? As allways with these things i have done some research into what grease to use for the timkin bearings and ending up learning far too much and still none the wiser.
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what grease should i use please?
many thanks
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
I do not think Aloris makes an 0XA, which may be why the naming
convention is different. This Aloris chart from their catalog should
tell you what size you need unless you have a mini-lathe.
On 10/24/2024 3:20 PM, mike allen via
groups.io wrote:
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??? ??? FWIW I read that lots of folks are removing their
compounds & mounting the/a toolpost directly to then
crossslide to improve rigidity .
animal
On 10/24/24 12:15 PM, Larry Hoelscher
wrote:
I
have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In order to get my AXA tool post
to sit on my cross feed casting, I had to file down the
hump on the casting so that I could get it to sit flat on
the cross feed.? It allowed me to swivel the block in
place.? Someone else who has at 12" will tell you that the
cross feed has a raised plateform from the casting
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at
2:06?PM Larry Hoelscher via <lgh1330= [email protected]>
wrote:
I have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In
order to get my AXA tool post to sit on my cross feed
casting, I had to file down the
AXA
So I have a 10in and a 12in Atlas lathes. Which
wedge style tool holder set works best for both?
Thanks
Jim Irwin
On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Larry
Hoelscher via < lgh1330@...>
wrote:
How about buying a milling
attachment for your lathe, then you
can make your own holders.? As you
stated, that is what a machinist would
DO.
I started out with a
"rocker" style tool post.? It work
but would often catch the bit and
move it off center.? When I
managed to get one of the 4 sided
posts, I thot it was a wonder.?
But after a while, it got very
tiresome to put a bit in and shim
it to the right height, and for
each bit having to do this.
Putting "4" bits in at once
usually did not work.
When I managed to get
hold of the Aloris style tool post
I was simply amazed at how well it
work, how easy it was to change a
tool--and it was pre-set to the
right height.? The only problem
was having a separate holder for
each tool.??
Well . . . .? There
is a solution--you can make one.?
Or you could buy a cheapo Chinese
one.? That's what I would do.?
Look into Shars in the USA, but
you were talking Lbs not USD so
most likely your are in Britain.?
I'm sure there must be a cheapo
sales company in Britain.? If it
were me, and I had access to
milling capability, I would make
one--lots of fun to make your own
tools.? After all, that's what
machining is:? Making a tool to
make a tool to make a final
piece.? Done it many times.
I bought a bundle of
the slide on tool holders but as
every machinist knows, you never
have enough tools, so I will get
around to making more.? I have a
good supply of the right type of
steel for making the holders.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
??? ??? FWIW I read that lots of folks are removing their
compounds & mounting the/a toolpost directly to then
crossslide to improve rigidity .
animal
On 10/24/24 12:15 PM, Larry Hoelscher
wrote:
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Show quoted text
I have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In order to
get my AXA tool post to sit on my cross feed casting, I had
to file down the hump on the casting so that I could
get it to sit flat on the cross feed.? It allowed me to swivel
the block in place.? Someone else who has at 12" will tell you
that the cross feed has a raised plateform from the casting
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at
2:06?PM Larry Hoelscher via <lgh1330= [email protected]>
wrote:
I have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In
order to get my AXA tool post to sit on my cross feed
casting, I had to file down the
AXA
So I have a 10in and a 12in Atlas lathes. Which
wedge style tool holder set works best for both?
Thanks
Jim Irwin
On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Larry
Hoelscher via < lgh1330@...>
wrote:
How about buying a milling attachment
for your lathe, then you can make your
own holders.? As you stated, that is
what a machinist would DO.
I started out with a
"rocker" style tool post.? It work
but would often catch the bit and
move it off center.? When I managed
to get one of the 4 sided posts, I
thot it was a wonder.? But after a
while, it got very tiresome to put a
bit in and shim it to the right
height, and for each bit having to
do this. Putting "4" bits in at once
usually did not work.
When I managed to get
hold of the Aloris style tool post I
was simply amazed at how well it
work, how easy it was to change a
tool--and it was pre-set to the
right height.? The only problem was
having a separate holder for each
tool.??
Well . . . .? There is
a solution--you can make one.? Or
you could buy a cheapo Chinese one.?
That's what I would do.? Look into
Shars in the USA, but you were
talking Lbs not USD so most likely
your are in Britain.? I'm sure there
must be a cheapo sales company in
Britain.? If it were me, and I had
access to milling capability, I
would make one--lots of fun to make
your own tools.? After all, that's
what machining is:? Making a tool to
make a tool to make a final piece.?
Done it many times.
I bought a bundle of
the slide on tool holders but as
every machinist knows, you never
have enough tools, so I will get
around to making more.? I have a
good supply of the right type of
steel for making the holders.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
I have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In order to get my AXA tool post to sit on my cross feed casting, I had to file down the hump on the casting so that I could get it to sit flat on the cross feed.? It allowed me to swivel the block in place.? Someone else who has at 12" will tell you that the cross feed has a raised plateform from the casting
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 2:06?PM Larry Hoelscher via <lgh1330= [email protected]> wrote: I have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In order to get my AXA tool post to sit on my cross feed casting, I had to file down the
AXA
So I have a 10in and a 12in Atlas lathes. Which wedge style tool holder set works best for both?
Thanks
Jim Irwin
On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Larry Hoelscher via < lgh1330@...> wrote:
How about buying a milling attachment for your lathe, then you can make your own holders.? As you stated, that is what a machinist would DO.
I started out with a "rocker" style tool post.? It work but would often catch the bit and move it off center.? When I managed to get one of the 4 sided posts, I thot it was a wonder.? But after a while, it got very tiresome to put a
bit in and shim it to the right height, and for each bit having to do this. Putting "4" bits in at once usually did not work.
When I managed to get hold of the Aloris style tool post I was simply amazed at how well it work, how easy it was to change a tool--and it was pre-set to the right height.? The only problem was having a separate holder for each tool.??
Well . . . .? There is a solution--you can make one.? Or you could buy a cheapo Chinese one.? That's what I would do.? Look into Shars in the USA, but you were talking Lbs not USD so most likely your are in Britain.? I'm sure there must
be a cheapo sales company in Britain.? If it were me, and I had access to milling capability, I would make one--lots of fun to make your own tools.? After all, that's what machining is:? Making a tool to make a tool to make a final piece.? Done it many times.
I bought a bundle of the slide on tool holders but as every machinist knows, you never have enough tools, so I will get around to making more.? I have a good supply of the right type of steel for making the holders.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
OXA is much smaller. It is only supposed to work up to 8-9 inch lathes. You can try one to see if it works. Buy it from Amazon and if it is too small, send it back and order an AXA size.
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I have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In order to get my AXA tool post to sit on my cross feed casting, I had to file down the
AXA
So I have a 10in and a 12in Atlas lathes. Which wedge style tool holder set works best for both?
Thanks
Jim Irwin
On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Larry Hoelscher via < lgh1330@...> wrote:
How about buying a milling attachment for your lathe, then you can make your own holders.? As you stated, that is what a machinist would DO.
I started out with a "rocker" style tool post.? It work but would often catch the bit and move it off center.? When I managed to get one of the 4 sided posts, I thot it was a wonder.? But after a while, it got very tiresome to put a bit in and
shim it to the right height, and for each bit having to do this. Putting "4" bits in at once usually did not work.
When I managed to get hold of the Aloris style tool post I was simply amazed at how well it work, how easy it was to change a tool--and it was pre-set to the right height.? The only problem was having a separate holder for each tool.??
Well . . . .? There is a solution--you can make one.? Or you could buy a cheapo Chinese one.? That's what I would do.? Look into Shars in the USA, but you were talking Lbs not USD so most likely your are in Britain.? I'm sure there must be a
cheapo sales company in Britain.? If it were me, and I had access to milling capability, I would make one--lots of fun to make your own tools.? After all, that's what machining is:? Making a tool to make a tool to make a final piece.? Done it many times.
I bought a bundle of the slide on tool holders but as every machinist knows, you never have enough tools, so I will get around to making more.? I have a good supply of the right type of steel for making the holders.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
I have a 10" Atlas lathe.? In order to get my AXA tool post to sit on my cross feed casting, I had to file down the
AXA
So I have a 10in and a 12in Atlas lathes. Which wedge style tool holder set works best for both?
Thanks
Jim Irwin
On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Larry Hoelscher via < lgh1330@...> wrote:
How about buying a milling attachment for your lathe, then you can make your own holders.? As you stated, that is what a machinist would DO.
I started out with a "rocker" style tool post.? It work but would often catch the bit and move it off center.? When I managed to get one of the 4 sided posts, I thot it was a wonder.? But after a while, it got very tiresome to put a
bit in and shim it to the right height, and for each bit having to do this. Putting "4" bits in at once usually did not work.
When I managed to get hold of the Aloris style tool post I was simply amazed at how well it work, how easy it was to change a tool--and it was pre-set to the right height.? The only problem was having a separate holder for each tool.??
Well . . . .? There is a solution--you can make one.? Or you could buy a cheapo Chinese one.? That's what I would do.? Look into Shars in the USA, but you were talking Lbs not USD so most likely your are in Britain.? I'm sure there must
be a cheapo sales company in Britain.? If it were me, and I had access to milling capability, I would make one--lots of fun to make your own tools.? After all, that's what machining is:? Making a tool to make a tool to make a final piece.? Done it many times.
I bought a bundle of the slide on tool holders but as every machinist knows, you never have enough tools, so I will get around to making more.? I have a good supply of the right type of steel for making the holders.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
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So I have a 10in and a 12in Atlas lathes. Which wedge style tool holder set works best for both?
Thanks
Jim Irwin
On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Larry Hoelscher via < lgh1330@...> wrote:
How about buying a milling attachment for your lathe, then you can make your own holders.? As you stated, that is what a machinist would DO.
I started out with a "rocker" style tool post.? It work but would often catch the bit and move it off center.? When I managed to get one of the 4 sided posts, I thot it was a wonder.? But after a while, it got very tiresome to put a
bit in and shim it to the right height, and for each bit having to do this. Putting "4" bits in at once usually did not work.
When I managed to get hold of the Aloris style tool post I was simply amazed at how well it work, how easy it was to change a tool--and it was pre-set to the right height.? The only problem was having a separate holder for each tool.??
Well . . . .? There is a solution--you can make one.? Or you could buy a cheapo Chinese one.? That's what I would do.? Look into Shars in the USA, but you were talking Lbs not USD so most likely your are in Britain.? I'm sure there must
be a cheapo sales company in Britain.? If it were me, and I had access to milling capability, I would make one--lots of fun to make your own tools.? After all, that's what machining is:? Making a tool to make a tool to make a final piece.? Done it many times.
I bought a bundle of the slide on tool holders but as every machinist knows, you never have enough tools, so I will get around to making more.? I have a good supply of the right type of steel for making the holders.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
So I have a 10in and a 12in Atlas lathes. Which wedge style tool holder set works best for both?
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On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Larry Hoelscher via < lgh1330@...> wrote:
How about buying a milling attachment for your lathe, then you can make your own holders.? As you stated, that is what a machinist would DO.
I started out with a "rocker" style tool post.? It work but would often catch the bit and move it off center.? When I managed to get one of the 4 sided posts, I thot it was a wonder.? But after a while, it got very tiresome to put a bit in and shim it to the right height, and for each bit having to do this. Putting "4" bits in at once usually did not work.
When I managed to get hold of the Aloris style tool post I was simply amazed at how well it work, how easy it was to change a tool--and it was pre-set to the right height.? The only problem was having a separate holder for each tool.??
Well . . . .? There is a solution--you can make one.? Or you could buy a cheapo Chinese one.? That's what I would do.? Look into Shars in the USA, but you were talking Lbs not USD so most likely your are in Britain.? I'm sure there must be a cheapo sales company in Britain.? If it were me, and I had access to milling capability, I would make one--lots of fun to make your own tools.? After all, that's what machining is:? Making a tool to make a tool to make a final piece.? Done it many times.
I bought a bundle of the slide on tool holders but as every machinist knows, you never have enough tools, so I will get around to making more.? I have a good supply of the right type of steel for making the holders.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.”
― Confucius
The accurate and correct term is "0XA", (That is Zero XA") which is the smallest size of quick change tool post for lathes.?
Accuracy is the quality of being correct, exact, or true.
-Dan in Nevada
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
mike Allen Wed, 23 11:45 "Pretty slick"
It has the adjusting nut for centering the cutting tool height so it lands right on every time. It also filled a need not addressed by any other tool holder and that was to hold a piece of thin hacksaw blade sharpened for making E & C clip groves.
--
Ken H in AZ
Knowledge is like manure, it won't do any good unless you spread it around.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
If you go to the Shars.com website, they have dimensional drawings of all the tool holders.
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No, that's the point I was trying inadequately to make above.? Each designation (AXA, BXA, etc) MUST take tool holders made exclusively for them.? It took ME? a LONG time to figure this out myself, and oldsters who already
know this scoff at us ignoramuses, but try as I might, I could not find a direct answer to what these designations are.? But I know now.
As far as the Aloris style tool POST goes, it has a sliding WEDGE that holds the tool holder in place.? There is another style that has a PISTON that pushes out and presses the back side of the tool holder.? That type is simpler--that
is the style I would make if I were to make one.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
No, that's the point I was trying inadequately to make above.? Each designation (AXA, BXA, etc) MUST take tool holders made exclusively for them.? It took ME? a LONG time to figure this out myself, and oldsters who already know this scoff at us ignoramuses, but try as I might, I could not find a direct answer to what these designations are.? But I know now.
As far as the Aloris style tool POST goes, it has a sliding WEDGE that holds the tool holder in place.? There is another style that has a PISTON that pushes out and presses the back side of the tool holder.? That type is simpler--that is the style I would make if I were to make one.
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Re: Hello. New Owner of Old Atlas Mill
It looks like you have most of the stuff you need. ?An overarm support and a milling arbor will be necessary if you choose to run it as a Horizontal Mill. ? You can instead run it with a small face mill or even end-mill cutters, using a MT-2 Adaptor. ?
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It is a SMALL mill, designed for small work. ?Remember to never Climb Cut, as that is a good way to strip out the lead screw nut.
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Charlie, who enjoys using his own Atlas mill now and again.
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Bill in OKC too
charles brady
Ken H