Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
??? ??? I have a mig welder all apart on the kitchen table right
now . there's room to eat in front of the tv
??? ??? animal
On 4/21/2020 5:15 PM, Bill in OKC too
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SWMBO tolerates my hobbies because I also use them to fix
thing she needs fixed. Also, I equate her kitchen (cooking is
her major hobby) as her workshop, and try not to stint her on
the things she needs for it. The first Damascus bladed knives in
the house were for her kitchen, for example. She has a new range
that's being delivered Friday, and as soon as I can figure out
exactly what we need, she's getting a new counter top mounted
about 6"-8" lower than the current one.
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take
orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a
new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal,
fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:48:31 PM CDT,
ebrucehunter via groups.io
<brucekareen@...> wrote:
A wise aunt once remarked to me, "One should choose
hobbies that bring others enjoyment."? I'm not sure
where that leaves us.
Bruce
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Thats funny, I was thinking about This the other day -Jody
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-------- Original message -------- From: Ralph Hulslander <rhulslander@...> Date: 4/21/20 3:53 PM (GMT-06:00) Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] I Need a 3 Jaw Chuck
Gee, GP I have not heard from them beyond the acknowledgement. Imagine I will let you know?when my laser comes. ha
Ralph Sorry not busting up the thread This message is for Ralgh Did you get the laser ???????
GP
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 4:11:34 PM EDT, Ralph Hulslander < rhulslander@...> wrote:
Why the obsession with TIR? Don't you just turn something and it is round regardless of TIR? It might not be centered on your piece but it will be round.
Of course I am new to all of this.
Ralph Yes, except that measuring it 4” from the jaws could introduce the effects of some other variables that may or may not have anything to do with the chuck.? Chuck runout figures should be taken next to the end of the chuck. ? Although it amounts to the same thing, TIR is most commonly defined as Total Indicator Reading. ? Robert Downs ? ? Novice question here.. I see everyone is giving a TIR (Total indicated runout) reading but not how it was measured. Over a year ago I purchased a Sanou 6” 3 jaw chuck along with a backing plate that was predrilled but needed the boss and face machined to fit. When done I put in a precision ground rod and measured it 4” from the tip of the jaws. The TIR reading was .002. I was very happy with the results. Is this the correct way to measure the runout of a chuck? I did it this way because I did not think that measuring?just the diameter of the chuck is accurate enough. John
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As I typically turn items from about 1/4" diameter up to about 4 inches in diameter I measure the runout of my chucks by chucking a short piece of 2" Diameter TGP steel and put an indicator on the side of that bar not more than 1" from the jaws of the chuck then rotate the spindle by manually turning the large countershaft pulley,. That gives me go or no-go confidence that the chuck will provide reasonable repeatability from part to part of for a part that that's already been turned and needs some minor modification. Sometimes I will set the lathe to back-gear mode at slowest possible belt speed and snap on the switch and observe for 30 seconds or so just to satisfy myself that it turns reasonably true under power.
Most of my 3-jaw chucks are less than .005 TIR, and most of them are very old and worn chucks. I have a 6": Buck with two-piece jaws (not a Tru-Adjust) that comes in at just about .002 TIR.
I acquired a Cushman/South Bend 6" three jaw (two sets of jaws) at Cabin Fever Expo in Lebanon PA this past January that was a NOS in the original South Bend box. After disassembling and thoroughly cleaning off the Cosmoline, reassembling and rotating the backing plate through each of the three possible mounting positions the TIR comes in at less than .001.
How others measure TIR may well be different than my primitive method.
Raymond
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
I never thought a yacht designer’s wife would be so dense as to throw large pieces of metal away. You are a lucky man.
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On Apr 21, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Jay Greer <redwitch1@...> wrote:
? John The most amazing thing happened yesterday. ?I showed my wife a photo of the milling attachment for the 618 with the jaw plates to my wife. ?She said. ?"Oh, I thought they might be important when I was sweeping the floor so I put them in the? Drawer under your lathe"?The only place I had not looked in five days of searching! ?The shop is really clean now! Thanks, Jay
Thank you very much John. ?I will check with them. Jay Greer Yacht Design
The lathe Altas Craftsman lathe I got recently had the milling ?attachments but no plates. I ordered a set from Clausing. I think it was a decent price, shipping was reasonable and they arrived fairly quickly. Another option if you don’t find them elsewhere. Good luck.?
John I did a bad thing the other day. I was cleaning up my bench and dropped the jaw plates for my 618 Atlas lathe milling attachment in the trash bucket and promptly forgot to go for them as soon as I could do so. The phone rang, and someone came to the door to ask a question. I, forgot the plates, until the next day and my clean up wife had thrown the contents of the bucket in the trash that was collected. Now I am in the middle of a job and have not jaw plates. With the virus scare I am not allowed out of my cage so, do any of you have a set you want to sell or duplicate for me?
I have no steel stock on hand to make a set from so can anyone out there help? I would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks
Jay Greer
Boat Design
-- John R. in Virginia Beach
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On 04/21/2020 03:11 PM, Ralph Hulslander wrote: Why the obsession with TIR? Don't you just turn something
and it is round regardless of TIR? It might not be
centered on your piece but it will be round.
Well, two reasons. One is if you start with a piece of 1/2" rod, and make several cuts on it, but don't turn the original diameter because you want it to be 1/2". Then, if the chuck doesn't hold things well-centered, the cut parts won't be concentric to the uncut parts. That would make you start with a larger diameter piece of stock and have to turn it down. The other reason is if you need to remove the part from the chuck at some stage and then put it back in for additional turning. You would have to mark the rotational position with respect to the jaws and put back the same way to get everything concentric. Just a lot easier if the chuck holds things very nearly on center. Of course, if you turn the whole exterior of a part, and don't remove until finished, then this doesn't matter. Jon
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On 04/21/2020 01:49 PM, Chipbreaker13 wrote:
Novice question here... I see everyone is giving a TIR
(Total indicated runout) reading but not how it was
measured. Over a year ago I purchased a Sanou 6” 3 jaw
chuck along with a backing plate that was predrilled but
needed the boss and face machined to fit. When done I put
in a precision ground rod and measured it 4” from the tip
of the jaws. The TIR reading was .002. I was very happy
with the results. Is this the correct way to measure the
runout of a chuck? I did it this way because I did not
think that measuring just the diameter of the chuck is
accurate enough.
Yes, who cares about the OD of the chuck (except that it could cause the whole machine to vibrate.) You should measure the rod at two distances from the chuck, to detect not only runout but also wobble (techically nutation). Facing the backing plate should fix the latter, if needed. Jon
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Good news, great wife!
Dave
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On April 21, 2020 at 2:26 PM Jay Greer <redwitch1@...> wrote:
John
The most amazing thing happened yesterday. ?I showed my wife a photo of the milling attachment for the 618 with the jaw plates to my wife. ?She said. ?"Oh, I thought they might be important when I was sweeping the floor so I put them in the?
Drawer under your lathe"?The only place I had not looked in five days of searching! ?The shop is really clean now!
Thanks,
Jay
Thank you very much John. ?I will check with them.
Jay Greer
Yacht Design
The lathe Altas Craftsman lathe I got recently had the milling ?attachments but no plates. I ordered a set from Clausing. I think it was a decent price, shipping was reasonable and they arrived fairly quickly. Another option if you don’t find them elsewhere. Good luck.?
John
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 5:07 PM Jay Greer <
redwitch1@...> wrote:
I did a bad thing the other day. I was cleaning up my bench and dropped the jaw plates for my 618 Atlas lathe milling attachment in the trash bucket and promptly forgot to go for them as soon as I could do so. The phone rang, and someone came to the door to ask a question. I, forgot the plates, until the next day and my clean up wife had thrown the contents of the bucket in the trash that was collected. Now I am in the middle of a job and have not jaw plates. With the virus scare I am not allowed out of my cage so, do any of you have a set you want to sell or duplicate for me?
I have no steel stock on hand to make a set from so can anyone out there help? I would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks
Jay Greer
Boat Design
--
John R. in Virginia Beach
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
SWMBO tolerates my hobbies because I also use them to fix thing she needs fixed. Also, I equate her kitchen (cooking is her major hobby) as her workshop, and try not to stint her on the things she needs for it. The first Damascus bladed knives in the house were for her kitchen, for example. She has a new range that's being delivered Friday, and as soon as I can figure out exactly what we need, she's getting a new counter top mounted about 6"-8" lower than the current one.
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:48:31 PM CDT, ebrucehunter via groups.io <brucekareen@...> wrote:
A wise aunt once remarked to me, "One should choose hobbies that bring others enjoyment."? I'm not sure where that leaves us.
Bruce
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
??? ??? ya can't cut with a diamond?
??? ??? animal
On 4/21/2020 4:27 PM, Denny via
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LOL....yes, it has often been suggested that an
occasional trip to Zales has many benefits. They don't have much
for tooling there.
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To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw
plates
Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.?
I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a
gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been
reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.?
Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at
least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or
vacuum cleaner.
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
No, I actually have a parts washer, and an electric pressure washer, for those parts that need cleaned. I'm crazy, not stupid. ;)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:44:37 PM CDT, Denny via groups.io <ibdennyak@...> wrote:
ha ha.....do you clean engine parts in your dishwasher too????
-----Original Message----- From: Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> To: [email protected]Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates You can always borrow the diamond to tip a tool when you need one. Just remember the 11th Commandment!
"Don't Get Caught!"
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:27:12 PM CDT, Denny via groups.io <ibdennyak@...> wrote:
LOL....yes, it has often been suggested that an occasional trip to Zales has many benefits. They don't have much for tooling there. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Chadima <jeff.chadima@...> To: [email protected]Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum cleaner.
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
??? ??? my wife won't even go out to my shop
??? ??? animal
On 4/21/2020 1:03 PM, Ralph Hulslander
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I'd go crazy if my wife ever tried to clean up my
shop.?
When I was working, a fellow engineer received some
custom mold cavities for final approval. Left them on the
floor by the wall to go home. Cleaning crew trashed them
that night never to be seen again. About $30k iirc.
Sent from my Boost Mobile Phone.
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling
attachment jaw plates
John
The most amazing thing happened yesterday.? I showed my
wife a photo of the milling attachment for the 618 with
the jaw plates to my wife.? She said. ?"Oh, I thought they
might be important when I was sweeping the floor so I put
them in the?
Drawer under your lathe"?The only place I had not
looked in five days of searching!? The shop is really
clean now!
Thanks,
Jay
Thank
you very much John.? I will check with them.
Jay Greer
Yacht Design
The lathe Altas
Craftsman lathe I got recently had
the milling ?attachments but no
plates. I ordered a set from
Clausing. I think it was a decent
price, shipping was reasonable and
they arrived fairly quickly. Another
option if you don’t find them
elsewhere. Good luck.?
John
I did a bad
thing the other day. I was
cleaning up my bench and dropped
the jaw plates for my 618 Atlas
lathe milling attachment in the
trash bucket and promptly forgot
to go for them as soon as I could
do so. The phone rang, and someone
came to the door to ask a
question. I, forgot the plates,
until the next day and my clean up
wife had thrown the contents of
the bucket in the trash that was
collected. Now I am in the middle
of a job and have not jaw plates.
With the virus scare I am not
allowed out of my cage so, do any
of you have a set you want to sell
or duplicate for me?
I have no steel stock on hand to
make a set from so can anyone out
there help? I would greatly
appreciate it!
Thanks
Jay Greer
Boat Design
--
John R. in Virginia Beach
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Mine got a chainsaw one year.? I learned my lesson too.
Bruce
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Young stupid me bought my young bride a tiller for Christmas
nearly thirty years ago. ? Some lessons last.
Charles
?Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are
single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for
traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I
have been reminded a few times that she remembers that
gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at
least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum
cleaner.
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
??? ??? ??? sometimes yer the windshield, sometimes yer the bug
??? ??? animal
On 4/21/2020 12:26 PM, Jay Greer wrote:
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John
The most amazing thing happened yesterday. ?I showed
my wife a photo of the milling attachment for the 618 with the
jaw plates to my wife. ?She said. ?"Oh, I thought they might be
important when I was sweeping the floor so I put them in the?
Drawer under your lathe"?The only place I had not
looked in five days of searching! ?The shop is really clean
now!
Thanks,
Jay
Thank
you very much John. ?I will check with them.
Jay Greer
Yacht Design
The lathe Altas
Craftsman lathe I got recently had the
milling ?attachments but no plates. I
ordered a set from Clausing. I think it
was a decent price, shipping was
reasonable and they arrived fairly
quickly. Another option if you don’t find
them elsewhere. Good luck.?
John
I did a bad thing
the other day. I was cleaning up my
bench and dropped the jaw plates for my
618 Atlas lathe milling attachment in
the trash bucket and promptly forgot to
go for them as soon as I could do so.
The phone rang, and someone came to the
door to ask a question. I, forgot the
plates, until the next day and my clean
up wife had thrown the contents of the
bucket in the trash that was collected.
Now I am in the middle of a job and have
not jaw plates. With the virus scare I
am not allowed out of my cage so, do any
of you have a set you want to sell or
duplicate for me?
I have no steel stock on hand to make a
set from so can anyone out there help? I
would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks
Jay Greer
Boat Design
--
John R. in Virginia Beach
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
A wise aunt once remarked to me, "One should choose hobbies that bring others enjoyment."? I'm not sure where that leaves us.
Bruce
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
ha ha.....do you clean engine parts in your dishwasher too????
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates
You can always borrow the diamond to tip a tool when you need one. Just remember the 11th Commandment!
"Don't Get Caught!"
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:27:12 PM CDT, Denny via groups.io <ibdennyak@...> wrote:
LOL....yes, it has often been suggested that an occasional trip to Zales has many benefits. They don't have much for tooling there.
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Chadima <jeff.chadima@...> To: [email protected]Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates
Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum cleaner.
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
You can always borrow the diamond to tip a tool when you need one. Just remember the 11th Commandment!
"Don't Get Caught!"
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:27:12 PM CDT, Denny via groups.io <ibdennyak@...> wrote:
LOL....yes, it has often been suggested that an occasional trip to Zales has many benefits. They don't have much for tooling there.
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Chadima <jeff.chadima@...> To: [email protected]Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum cleaner.
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
LOL....yes, it has often been suggested that an occasional trip to Zales has many benefits. They don't have much for tooling there.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Chadima <jeff.chadima@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates
Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum cleaner.
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Young stupid me bought my young bride a tiller for Christmas nearly thirty years ago. ? Some lessons last.
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On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Jeff Chadima <jeff.chadima@...> wrote:
?Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum cleaner.
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Thats great news and she's a keeper.
I get teased at home by my wife and 10 yr old daughter when working on my lathe.? They claim they never see any fruits from it.??
The other day my 10 yo daughter asked what I was make on the lathe.? I said a tool for lathe.
She giggled and said "so you are using your lathe to make something for your lathe".
I told her you make seem crazy when you say it like that. -Jody
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-------- Original message -------- From: Jay Greer <redwitch1@...> Date: 4/21/20 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00) Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates
John The most amazing thing happened yesterday. ?I showed my wife a photo of the milling attachment for the 618 with the jaw plates to my wife. ?She said. ?"Oh, I thought they might be important when I was sweeping the floor so I put them in the? Drawer under your lathe"?The only place I had not looked in five days of searching! ?The shop is really clean now! Thanks, Jay
Thank you very much John. ?I will check with them. Jay Greer Yacht Design
The lathe Altas Craftsman lathe I got recently had the milling ?attachments but no plates. I ordered a set from Clausing. I think it was a decent price, shipping was reasonable and they arrived fairly quickly. Another option if you don’t find them elsewhere. Good luck.?
John I did a bad thing the other day. I was cleaning up my bench and dropped the jaw plates for my 618 Atlas lathe milling attachment in the trash bucket and promptly forgot to go for them as soon as I could do so. The phone rang, and someone came to the door to ask a question. I, forgot the plates, until the next day and my clean up wife had thrown the contents of the bucket in the trash that was collected. Now I am in the middle of a job and have not jaw plates. With the virus scare I am not allowed out of my cage so, do any of you have a set you want to sell or duplicate for me?
I have no steel stock on hand to make a set from so can anyone out there help? I would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks
Jay Greer
Boat Design
-- John R. in Virginia Beach
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Re: 618 milling attachment jaw plates
Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum cleaner.
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Brian Cayer
Bill in OKC too
ebrucehunter