Re: Atlas / Craftsman 10F-12 10" & 12" Lathe Half Nuts / Split Nut
Rexarino Feb 5 #102601
I used a spacer to make the lines on the thread dial assembly line up correctly after installing new half nuts from Clausing.
Regards,
Rex
Just for future reference, how do you know or what is the indication, that the dial is not in sink with the half nuts and would require a spacer?
Thanks, Ken H in AZ
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The sleeve type 3MT to 2MT adapter is to be greatly preferred over the much more common tang type in that at least the Atlas made one does not hang the 2MT widget out in front of the spindle nose. ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 23:11
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center? A Morse #3 solid center or a Morse #2 solid center in a Morse #3 sleeve will fit your headstock spindle equally well. ?I’d go with the sleeve, though, for several reasons. The #2 centers are cheaper. As your tailstock ram is a Morse #2 taper, the sleeve will allow you to use your tooling in either spot. ?And it will allow you to make tooling that will fit your tailstock. The sleeve will allow you to mount your tailstock centers in your headstock for the purpose of truing them up, which has to be done occasionally. Will the sleeve introduce inaccuracy? ?Not really - any decent sleeve will be much more accurate than you will ever need.
On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab@...> wrote:
Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ? ? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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In most Chinese cases I would agree with you.? But how badly depends upon the size and shape of the piston.? Most of the Chinese made piston-type tool posts have a very small round piston.? The Yuasa, which was I think the first piston type made some 40 odd years ago, has a larger rectangular piston.? I bought one new 38 years ago (when the cost in 2019 Dollars was about three times what the CDCO one costs today) and have never felt that it was inferior to the wedge type.? Fortunately, the holders will fit either type. ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrei
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 20:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post?
Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
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A Morse #3 solid center or a Morse #2 solid center in a Morse #3 sleeve will fit your headstock spindle equally well. ?I’d go with the sleeve, though, for several reasons.
The #2 centers are cheaper.
As your tailstock ram is a Morse #2 taper, the sleeve will allow you to use your tooling in either spot. ?And it will allow you to make tooling that will fit your tailstock.
The sleeve will allow you to mount your tailstock centers in your headstock for the purpose of truing them up, which has to be done occasionally.
Will the sleeve introduce inaccuracy? ?Not really - any decent sleeve will be much more accurate than you will ever need.
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On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io < wa5cab@...> wrote: Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ? ? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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I bought a import QC , think it may have been from CDCO , there
were complaints about where the handle was when tight , I just took mine
apart , which I seem to do with anything new & cleaned it up a bit &
just moved
??? ??? a part & had the handle in the right place ,
??? ??? animal
??? ??? oh yea , ya prob will have to make the T-nut fit yer lathe ,
but I'm pretty sure thats with an QCTP ya buy
??? ??? animal
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On 2/6/2019 8:17 PM, mondosmetals wrote:
AXA Wedge-type QCTP kit:
$129 plus shipping.
I am not endorsing this particular product or seller, just showing
that they can be had for little money in comparison to top-name brands
that are priced ten times higher.
The kit I have was similarly priced and it works great! I can't name
the seller because he closed his shop several years ago and is now
into other endeavors.
Raymond
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AXA Wedge-type QCTP kit:
$129 plus shipping.
I am not endorsing this particular product or seller, just showing that they can be had for little money in comparison to top-name brands that are priced ten times higher.
The kit I have was similarly priced and it works great! I can't name the seller because he closed his shop several years ago and is now into other endeavors.
Raymond
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Stan, no, I would recommend the wedge type holder. I think I bought mine through eBay.
Kurt S.
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From: Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...>
Date: 2/6/19 9:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
Opps. I forgot the punch line which is:
Is this the one you are recommending?
On 2/6/2019 7:43 PM, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to
center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change
tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
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Must be a typo. 175-200 is average online
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CDCO has an AXA wedge type but they are out of stock and the price is
$3,000.
On 2/6/2019 7:44 PM, Andrei wrote:
Piston sucks. Get wedge
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*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on
behalf of Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:43:21 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to
center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change
tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
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I purchased the Phase II wedge type about 6 years ago.? I've been very happy with it.? I bought CDCO toolholders and found that their dimensions are a bit variable (the locking handle locks in a variety of different positions with the CDCO, but in the same place with the? Phase II).? The variability in dimensions has had no practical significance in the use of the toolholders.? Amazon has the Phase II set for $223 with free shipping.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:43 PM Stan Gorodenski < stanlep@...> wrote: Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, , but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
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Item 68566. Out of stock temporarily
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Opps. I forgot the punch line which is:
Is this the one you are recommending?
On 2/6/2019 7:43 PM, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to
center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change
tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
|
CDCO has an AXA wedge type but they are out of stock and the price is
$3,000.
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On 2/6/2019 7:44 PM, Andrei wrote: Piston sucks. Get wedge
Get Outlook for Android <>
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*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on
behalf of Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:43:21 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to
center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change
tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
|
Opps. I forgot the punch line which is:
Is this the one you are recommending?
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On 2/6/2019 7:43 PM, Stan Gorodenski wrote: Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to
center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change
tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
|
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Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
|
Kurt,
I looked in CDCO, cdcotools.com, but I cannot copy a link to the post
and tool holders because the page I am looking at doesn't have a link to
it. However, it is item #29461 and includes the quick change post and 5
tools holders. It is called
AXA Piston Type Tool Post for Lathe up to 12"
and in the description it specifically says it fits an Atlas 10" and 12"
Stan
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On 2/6/2019 1:26 PM, Kurt Sierens wrote:
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
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Re: Atlas / Craftsman 10F-12 10" & 12" Lathe Half Nuts / Split Nut
Did you request a replacement part?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Jim Irwin <jimirwin@...> Date: 2/6/19 2:51 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas / Craftsman 10F-12 10" & 12" Lathe Half Nuts / Split Nut
This is called “zinc pest” and is the result of the casting alloy (primarily zinc) having lead as an impurity. ’Tain’t s’posed to be any lead in there, but has been known to happen. In other words, this is an anomaly not something endemic to Zamak or other zinc-based alloys. The Zamak alloy used in our lathe parts is quite a strong & durable alloy. Check it out. BUT some few parts have fallen to zinc pest.? There is no way to induce this problem in existing parts, nor to remedy it (except replacing the parts).
Jim Irwin On Feb 6, 2019, at 12:39 PM, seb fontana via Groups.Io < speedoo51@...> wrote:
Spacer is to line up the marks on the threading dial, most often marks get out of alignment when parts are mixed from different machines..
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??? ??? when ya go to buy extra holders , get the #2 & not
the plane #1 , the #2 allows square & round tools along with
some boring bars . & ya can turn the knurler bout face &
use that for a square tool holder too
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On 2/6/2019 1:07 PM, Stan Gorodenski
wrote:
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Thank you all for responding. This helps a lot.
Stan
On 2/6/2019 1:43 PM, Jody wrote:
Agree with Kurt.
I have one as well.? For the price at CDCO, it is hard to beat.?
Pretty good quality, especially at that price.
-Jody
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From: Kurt Sierens <ksierens@...>
Date: 2/6/19 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it
has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected]
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to
center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from
where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick
change tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
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Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 14:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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Re: Atlas / Craftsman 10F-12 10" & 12" Lathe Half Nuts / Split Nut
OK.? That does save time and hassle to remove, rotate and press back on the gear. ? Robert Downs ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of seb fontana via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 12:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas / Craftsman 10F-12 10" & 12" Lathe Half Nuts / Split Nut? Spacer is to line up the marks on the threading dial, most often marks get out of alignment when parts are mixed from different machines..
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Re: Atlas / Craftsman 10F-12 10" & 12" Lathe Half Nuts / Split Nut
Speedoo51: I had considered that the actual threads in the brass were not accurate to the size of the half nuts.? Yes, when I was reworking my lathe I replaced my lead screw with less worn acme threads, so all these parts can vary the accuracy? of the threads.? Only the? half nuts and the position of the thread dial can tell you when to start your threads.? All good info.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:51 PM Jim Irwin < jimirwin@...> wrote: This is called “zinc pest” and is the result of the casting alloy (primarily zinc) having lead as an impurity. ’Tain’t s’posed to be any lead in there, but has been known to happen. In other words, this is an anomaly not something endemic to Zamak or other zinc-based alloys. The Zamak alloy used in our lathe parts is quite a strong & durable alloy. Check it out. BUT some few parts have fallen to zinc pest.? There is no way to induce this problem in existing parts, nor to remedy it (except replacing the parts).
Jim Irwin On Feb 6, 2019, at 12:39 PM, seb fontana via Groups.Io < speedoo51@...> wrote:
Spacer is to line up the marks on the threading dial, most often marks get out of alignment when parts are mixed from different machines..
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Thank you all for responding. This helps a lot.
Stan
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On 2/6/2019 1:43 PM, Jody wrote: Agree with Kurt.
I have one as well.? For the price at CDCO, it is hard to beat.?
Pretty good quality, especially at that price.
-Jody
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From: Kurt Sierens <ksierens@...>
Date: 2/6/19 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I would go with an AXA.? I bought mine from CDCO (Bostar) and it has
worked out well.
Kurt S.
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:24 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Quick Change Post
I have the Atlas 10" lathe. I do not know what the center to center is,
but the bed length the carriage rides on is almost 36" from where it
meets the headstock to the end of the bed. In this group it had
previously been determined that it is of vintage 1957 or so.
I would like to replace the rocker tool holder with a quick change tool
holder. Can anyone recommend a good one for this lathe?
Stan
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Ken H
Stan Gorodenski