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Re: F-10 series lathe v-48

 

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It’s only if you live in California.? They do ship to Texas.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Guenther Paul
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 13:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] F-10 series lathe v-48

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I would go to Clausing at lease you get new parts for the same or less money. If your west of the Mississippi you have to go thru one of there distributors. If you like i help you i am 60 miles away from Clausing??

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GP

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Re: new guy - old 618

 

Thank you all for all your helpful comments. I really do appreciate the advice, I have taken the recommendations of not using heat near the gear for fear of annealing, and of not attempting to remove the thrust collar. When i looked at it without the gear on there it looks like that pin was ground in place, likely pressed in very tightly, either way I wouldn't want to mess with it unless it were absolutely necessary.
The gears came off, I used two razor blades as wedges and kept giving little love taps on them between the gear and the spacer, rolling around the circumference until it gave, then the gear and spacer came off easily. I think I'll try cleaning up the plain area of the screw just to the right of the left bearing really good with some scotchbrite and see if I can get the bearing to slide over it nicely. Or maybe running it as is with some thin oil for awhile will loosen it more, as it was froze, then tight tight, then to where it could be turned by hand, which i did, a lot of, adding oil every time, by now it's pretty smooth in rotation. This from doing nothing but adding oil and rotating, yet when I put a few drops of oil in, and turn it by hand awhile, the oil still comes out dark, maybe I need to flush this junk out a little? I hope most of what's running out is some kind of grease residue or graphite and not ground up bearing casting.
Re: F-10 series lathe v-48

 

Like you, I needed the ability to install a third set of gears.? I found what looks like a brand new bold, nut, inner bushing and double keyway bushing on Ebay.? Make sure that you are getting one that is designed for your specific model lathe.? I have now used it.? I installed a set of the new 3D printed gears that I will probably leave them on the bushings and when I need the fine feed rates install it, otherwise it will rest in the drawer.

On Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 4:12:20 PM CST, Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab@...> wrote:


A few of the commercial suppliers have stores and web sites that sometimes list a lot of used parts.? Along with some new parts and accessories.? MyMachineShop.net is one.? Clausing did have all of the parts that we have been talking about sometime last year.? I bought two sets plus two gears for the “30 Second Metric Conversion”.? And incidentally, the “30 Second” refers to how long it takes to switch modes, not to how long it takes to make the modification.? :-).?

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of blw6772 via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 06:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] F-10 series lathe v-48

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?Hey guys - lm in the tearing down and cleaning ?stage and finding a lot of missing parts especially for the threading gears among other things , haven’t contacted Clausing International yet about parts availability, hoping some spacers and sleeves to start they will have ?. ?Any other sources out there, maybe a possibility along with E bay ? ? ? ?


thanks for everybody’s help ! Barry ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

Re: new guy - old 618

Don Newbold
 

Robert,

Do you suppose you could help me figure out what year my manual was
published? I've made a brief comparison of the PDF and hard copies I've
got and none are duplicates. My 1937 hard copy section seven is titled
"ATLAS F-SERIES 10-INCH LATHES" and the pages are numbered one to 63.

Don


On 1/28/2019 12:23 AM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io wrote:
The MOLO’s that on the Copyright page say Copyright 1937 were printed
and reprinted (7 known versions) between 1937 and 1953.? I have never
seen nor have I ever heard of anyone having a First Edition actually
printed in 1937.? I have two and have heard of three or four more
editions that were probably printed in 1938.? Except for Chapter 7 –
Threading, which is machine specific, the majority of all editions are
pretty much generic.? Exceptions are that the majority of photos are of
the 10” model in production the year that each copy was printed.? And
the speed related charts? such as RPM versus diameter for specific SFM
assume a 10” or 12”.? However, the charts are close enough to be
usable.? There actually was at least one printing or edition where
Chapter 7 is specific to the 6”.? However, they are pretty rare.

From 1954 on, Chapter 7 includes coverage of the 6”.? >From 1957 on,
Chapter 7 covers the 1/2“ bed 12” and the 6”.

The change to a recommendation for SAE 20 appears to have been
retroactive.? However, I have been wondering lately whether it might be
better to continue using SAE 10 on the sleeve bearings in the 101.07301.

Robert Downs

*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
Behalf Of *Don Newbold
*Sent:* Friday, January 25, 2019 12:21
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] new guy - old 618

I've looked through a bunch of pdf's and a couple of original printed
manuals. My original 1937 Atlas manual never mentions 618 or any other
model number, as best I could tell, but it discusses both bearing styles
and shows pictures of both styles.

I noticed one little tid bit of information. In the 1937 manual 10
weight oil is used. In the later manuals, 50s/60s and later, 20 weight
is used.

Don




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Re: F-10 series lathe v-48

 

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A few of the commercial suppliers have stores and web sites that sometimes list a lot of used parts.? Along with some new parts and accessories.? MyMachineShop.net is one.? Clausing did have all of the parts that we have been talking about sometime last year.? I bought two sets plus two gears for the “30 Second Metric Conversion”.? And incidentally, the “30 Second” refers to how long it takes to switch modes, not to how long it takes to make the modification.? :-).?

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of blw6772 via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 06:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] F-10 series lathe v-48

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?Hey guys - lm in the tearing down and cleaning ?stage and finding a lot of missing parts especially for the threading gears among other things , haven’t contacted Clausing International yet about parts availability, hoping some spacers and sleeves to start they will have ?. ?Any other sources out there, maybe a possibility along with E bay ? ? ? ?


thanks for everybody’s help ! Barry ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

Re: Missing Feed Gear Bolt

 

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Out of curiosity, what kind of dimensional tolerances to they quote for your printer?? And since you could always make one, adjust the values in the code slightly, and make another until it was right, how good is the repeatability?

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 06:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Missing Feed Gear Bolt

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Only way to know for sure is to try it. But I think it will work well. Or at least well enough. The gears and bushings are zamac, not the toughest alloy around. ABS is pretty tough. 3d-printed parts of ABS aren't as tough as injection-molded ABS, but Mr. Pete222 was using 3d-printed gears. The ones with high infill did well in his tests. Bushings aren't going to be stressed as much as the teeth of a gear, or so I believe.?

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Only one way to truly know, of course.

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Bill in OKC?

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Re: Concern with my Spindle

 

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OK.? All’s well that ends well!

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 05:48
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Concern with my Spindle

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Robert,

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Regarding the covers being seals, that is exactly what I thought. However, after reading a few comments here I started to question my thinking. Thanks for making me question myself less. Hahaha!!

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As for removing the spindle, I tried exactly as you described over and over, with no success. No matter what I did, I just could not get the woodruff key to come up with pliers. Tapping it down to rock it out of the slot was the only thing that worked. And I needed to expose the whole key to do that. I read about that technique on this site somewhere, I’m pretty sure. Anyway, it’s running good now. No harm, no foul. ?

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Thanks, ?

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Brad

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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:35 AM Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab=[email protected]> wrote:

Mike and Brad,

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There are no seals on the spindle or spindle flange.? The four steel cups, one of which is on each side of each bearing on the spindle, have a average clearance of about 0.012” all around on the flange OD behind the chuck and between the cup ID and spindle or spacer OD at the other three locations.? This is from actual measurements on my particular 3996.? I don’t know what the tolerance on this fit is.? But this is the gap through which the oil from the oil cups on top of the headstock drips or runs.? The cups are more correctly classed as covers rather than seals.

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On the issue of removing the Woodruff key from the spindle, if you drive the key into the inner dust cover and dent the cover, you drove the spindle out too far before removing the key.? The Atlas Technical manual (readily available to all members) clearly says to remove the key with a pair of pliers.? If you loosen the set screws in the collar to the left of the small spindle gear, the two gears and the pulley will move slightly to the left.? The may ?still be slightly underneath the bull gear.? If sp, when you remove the key, you pull up on the end nearest the tailstock and it comes out at an angle.? Same when you reinstall it.? You stick the left end of the key into the keyway in the bull gear and into the key seat in the spindle and then tap the right end down with a pin punch.? Theoretically there should be just enough room to get the key into and out of the keyway with the key straight but in practice it may not quite work out that way.? Unfortunately, the Technical Bulletin does not warn you about this.

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Robert Downs

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Re: Missing Feed Gear Bolt

 

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I forgot to mention that these were NOS USA made.? These will probably camp out around the lathe.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/29/19 3:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Missing Feed Gear Bolt

??? ??? good deal . I have been verry happy with the Simonds files that I have bought recently

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 11:36 AM, Jody wrote:
Thanks animal, I didn't think about them. I found a gear bolt assembly on ebay with the bolt, bushing, sleeve, nut and washer.? All OEM.? Thesame guy also had lot of 5 Simonds Swiss pattern files and I bought them too.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/29/19 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Missing Feed Gear Bolt

Jody have ya tried my? "? " they
have used craftsman , logan & south bend parts

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 3:47 AM, Jody wrote:
Dave,
That's the one.? Robert brought it to my attention that I will need
the sleeve and bushing, something in my haste to find a solution
didn't even think about.? Rooting around in the parts box that came
with the lathe, no sleeve or bushing , nut and thick washer.

I actually found 2 on ebay that have the whole assembly (bolt,
bushing, sleeve, nut, washer).? I think I may buy one of these guys.?
Thanks a lot for looking into that and offering.? I would do it but
the fact that i don't have the other components to hold the gear, Id
still be dead in the water.
If it ain't one thing it is something else.
-Jody
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Re: Missing Feed Gear Bolt

 

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??? ??? good deal . I have been verry happy with the Simonds files that I have bought recently

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 11:36 AM, Jody wrote:

Thanks animal, I didn't think about them. I found a gear bolt assembly on ebay with the bolt, bushing, sleeve, nut and washer.? All OEM.? Thesame guy also had lot of 5 Simonds Swiss pattern files and I bought them too.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/29/19 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Missing Feed Gear Bolt

Jody have ya tried my? "? " they
have used craftsman , logan & south bend parts

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 3:47 AM, Jody wrote:
Dave,
That's the one.? Robert brought it to my attention that I will need
the sleeve and bushing, something in my haste to find a solution
didn't even think about.? Rooting around in the parts box that came
with the lathe, no sleeve or bushing , nut and thick washer.

I actually found 2 on ebay that have the whole assembly (bolt,
bushing, sleeve, nut, washer).? I think I may buy one of these guys.?
Thanks a lot for looking into that and offering.? I would do it but
the fact that i don't have the other components to hold the gear, Id
still be dead in the water.
If it ain't one thing it is something else.
-Jody
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Re: Missing Feed Gear Bolt

 

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Thanks animal, I didn't think about them. I found a gear bolt assembly on ebay with the bolt, bushing, sleeve, nut and washer.? All OEM.? Thesame guy also had lot of 5 Simonds Swiss pattern files and I bought them too.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/29/19 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Missing Feed Gear Bolt

Jody have ya tried my? "? " they
have used craftsman , logan & south bend parts

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 3:47 AM, Jody wrote:
Dave,
That's the one.? Robert brought it to my attention that I will need
the sleeve and bushing, something in my haste to find a solution
didn't even think about.? Rooting around in the parts box that came
with the lathe, no sleeve or bushing , nut and thick washer.

I actually found 2 on ebay that have the whole assembly (bolt,
bushing, sleeve, nut, washer).? I think I may buy one of these guys.?
Thanks a lot for looking into that and offering.? I would do it but
the fact that i don't have the other components to hold the gear, Id
still be dead in the water.
If it ain't one thing it is something else.
-Jody
Re: Missing Feed Gear Bolt

 

Elevator bolts are harder they are not needed a standered? soft hardware carriage bold will work just fine??

GP


On Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 1:23:32 PM EST, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


Jody have ya tried my? "? " they
have used craftsman , logan & south bend parts

??? ??? animal


On 1/29/2019 3:47 AM, Jody wrote:
Dave,
That's the one.? Robert brought it to my attention that I will need
the sleeve and bushing, something in my haste to find a solution
didn't even think about.? Rooting around in the parts box that came
with the lathe, no sleeve or bushing , nut and thick washer.

I actually found 2 on ebay that have the whole assembly (bolt,
bushing, sleeve, nut, washer).? I think I may buy one of these guys.?
Thanks a lot for looking into that and offering.? I would do it but
the fact that i don't have the other components to hold the gear, Id
still be dead in the water.
If it ain't one thing it is something else.
-Jody
Re: Concern with my Spindle

 

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I agree, I'm a little concerned about how fast mine come out.? It only came to my attention because the oil cup was using oil so slowly with the felt in there.? So I pulled.out to see what happens.

-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: "jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via Groups.Io" <jmartin957@...>
Date: 1/29/19 11:51 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Concern with my Spindle

The dust covers are not oil seals, but they are meant to retain oil. As Robert states there is a gap between the dust cover and the spindle, and this is where the oil is supposed to leak out. ?So the oil level – at least for a while - should be high enough to reach the bearing rollers.

Jody says that the oil leaks out at the bottom of one of his dust covers just as fast as he can feed it in. That tells me that his dust cover is not retaining any oil at all, and that his bearing may be running dry.

If the dust cover is not a good enough fit in the head stock bore to retain any oil at all, then it should be replaced or perhaps sealed with a silicone or similar sealant.


On Jan 29, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Jon Elson <elson@...> wrote:

On 01/28/2019 11:46 PM, cwlathes wrote:
The dust covers on my 10F have little slots in them to clear the key . . . My understanding has been that they are there to protect the bearings and are not oil seals . Carvel



Yes, exactly!? That why they are called "dust covers".? Their purpose is to keep swarf from getting into the bearings.? They may actually trap just a LITTLE bit of oil that would otherwise ooze out, but that's not what they are there for.? Obviously, looking at the way they are made and fit, there's no WAY they could function as a SEAL to retain oil.

Jon
Re: F-10 series lathe v-48

 

I would go to Clausing at lease you get new parts for the same or less money. If your west of the Mississippi you have to go thru one of there distributors. If you like i help you i am 60 miles away from Clausing??

GP


On Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 1:26:20 PM EST, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? try these guys "? ? "

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 4:19 AM, blw6772 via Groups.Io wrote:
?Hey guys - lm in the tearing down and cleaning ?stage and finding a lot of missing parts especially for the threading gears among other things , haven’t contacted Clausing International yet about parts availability, hoping some spacers and sleeves to start they will have ?. ?Any other sources out there, maybe a possibility along with E bay ? ? ? ?


thanks for everybody’s help ! Barry ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

Re: F-10 series lathe v-48

 

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??? ??? try these guys "? ? "

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 4:19 AM, blw6772 via Groups.Io wrote:

?Hey guys - lm in the tearing down and cleaning ?stage and finding a lot of missing parts especially for the threading gears among other things , haven’t contacted Clausing International yet about parts availability, hoping some spacers and sleeves to start they will have ?. ?Any other sources out there, maybe a possibility along with E bay ? ? ? ?


thanks for everybody’s help ! Barry ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
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Re: Missing Feed Gear Bolt

 

Jody have ya tried my? "? " they
have used craftsman , logan & south bend parts

??? ??? animal


On 1/29/2019 3:47 AM, Jody wrote:
Dave,
That's the one.? Robert brought it to my attention that I will need
the sleeve and bushing, something in my haste to find a solution
didn't even think about.? Rooting around in the parts box that came
with the lathe, no sleeve or bushing , nut and thick washer.

I actually found 2 on ebay that have the whole assembly (bolt,
bushing, sleeve, nut, washer).? I think I may buy one of these guys.?
Thanks a lot for looking into that and offering.? I would do it but
the fact that i don't have the other components to hold the gear, Id
still be dead in the water.
If it ain't one thing it is something else.
-Jody
Re: Missing Feed Gear Bolt

 

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??? ??? Ken , yer only the 3rd person I'm associated with? that has heard of "elevator " bolt's . I asked my hardware store owner for some & he said? " what are they ?

??? ??? animal

On 1/29/2019 12:09 AM, Ken Harrington wrote:

Curious, if it is just a gear in the train is the double key necessary? Why wouldn't a simple snug spacer/bushing work?

Another candidate for a commonly available bolt with enough meat on it to modify into what you need (machine it down) you might look at "elevator" bolts.


Ken H in AZ
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Re: Welcome to [email protected]

 

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Electrolytic rust removal works very well , but must ONLY be used on ferrous material . .? non ferrous parts must be removed or they will dissolve :>(

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Regards, Carvel

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: 29 January 2019 01:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Welcome to [email protected]

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Ya may want to be pretty careful how ya proceed with the
cleaning up on the Levin . their a pretty sweet lil machine . I don't
know if it would be a candidate for the " electrolytic rust removal
process " I have never tried

??? ??? it but have seen& heard pretty good things about it .

??? ??? animal


On 1/28/2019 3:15 PM, Don Newbold wrote:

Early 60's sounds like a reasonable date. I believe all three lathes
came from the same individual - a deceased relative. I think he started
out with the Sears, then passed it on to his brother-in-law when he got
the Atlas. The Sears may never have been used as that guy ran a
woodworking shop. He died and it went to his son - my wife's cousin. I
got it from him in a trade as he wouldn't take an old dilapidated 5x8
trailer for free. The relative then bought the Levin from NASA and set
the Atlas aside. Some years later the Atlas went to my wife (before we
met) and the Levin was destined for, but never picked up by, my
sister-in-law. My wife saw my interest in the Levin so bought for me a
birthday gift. So, now I've got three lathes, all disassembled for
moving, though I did use the Atlas for an hour or so before it was
moved. The Sears spindle moves, but I have no motor and no space to set
it up separately. The Levin spindle does move, though all of the parts
are covered in rust. I'll make room for it and get it working some day.

Don
Re: Concern with my Spindle

 

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The dust covers are not oil seals, but they are meant to retain oil. As Robert states there is a gap between the dust cover and the spindle, and this is where the oil is supposed to leak out. ?So the oil level – at least for a while - should be high enough to reach the bearing rollers.

Jody says that the oil leaks out at the bottom of one of his dust covers just as fast as he can feed it in. That tells me that his dust cover is not retaining any oil at all, and that his bearing may be running dry.

If the dust cover is not a good enough fit in the head stock bore to retain any oil at all, then it should be replaced or perhaps sealed with a silicone or similar sealant.


On Jan 29, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Jon Elson <elson@...> wrote:

On 01/28/2019 11:46 PM, cwlathes wrote:
The dust covers on my 10F have little slots in them to clear the key . . . My understanding has been that they are there to protect the bearings and are not oil seals . Carvel



Yes, exactly!? That why they are called "dust covers".? Their purpose is to keep swarf from getting into the bearings.? They may actually trap just a LITTLE bit of oil that would otherwise ooze out, but that's not what they are there for.? Obviously, looking at the way they are made and fit, there's no WAY they could function as a SEAL to retain oil.

Jon
Re: Concern with my Spindle

 

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On 01/28/2019 11:46 PM, cwlathes wrote:
The dust covers on my 10F have little slots in them to clear the key . . . My understanding has been that they are there to protect the bearings and are not oil seals . Carvel



Yes, exactly!? That why they are called "dust covers".? Their purpose is to keep swarf from getting into the bearings.? They may actually trap just a LITTLE bit of oil that would otherwise ooze out, but that's not what they are there for.? Obviously, looking at the way they are made and fit, there's no WAY they could function as a SEAL to retain oil.

Jon
Re: F-10 series lathe v-48

 

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Agreed.
Get your part numbers together if possible and give a call to Clausing.? The prices maybe reasonable.? Otherwise check flea-bay

-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: mondosmetals <jwrey@...>
Date: 1/29/19 6:39 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] F-10 series lathe v-48

Call Clausing-Indistrial parts department first. (800) 323-0972

Raymond
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