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Does yours have the MT2 or MT3 shank? I see they made them up to MT5, mine is MT2. I've got some scraps of metal here I could make into a 2-piece collar, for that matter. Spent way too much money getting my wife set up to heal after her shoulder surgery late in October, and I'm officially done spending money on my new SB lathe until she says otherwise. ;) Gotta admit I milked it pretty good while I could. I'll hope the bearing can be cleaned out. Seems Amazon wants about $41 for the cheap one, and up like a skyrocket from there. I'll have to call Fleck Bearing, our local bearing shop, and see what they want. Thanks a bunch for the info! I was trying to find it about a week ago, and not having any luck. Was gonna take a hack at it sometime this week and hope I didn't butcher it. I'll probably take it to work and put a little Mobile Polyrex EM in it. Thin, as greases go, very water & heat resistant. It's what is specified for all the monster motors on our mat machine, which has that 60hp motor I think I've mentioned here. Among 11 or 12 others, ranging down to 1.5hp. Thanks again! Bill in OKC
On Sunday, January 6, 2019, 8:52:22 AM CST, Dave Matticks <dpm100@...> wrote:
Hi Bill, Here we go. It's not real obvious how to take these guys apart as you may have noticed! I drilled and tapped two 10-32 holes in the front cover plate and used a slide hammer to pull it out, not necessary as that didn't really help in the end and I had to make a new replacement! Anyway, the od of the point on mine is around .740. Put a 3/4" shaft collar on it leaving a gap between that and the body and use 2 screwdrivers/ pry bars, whatever to extract the tip. The shank is separate, use maybe a 1/2" diameter pin to push that out. I used my 10 ton Dake screw press, it's on a taper so when it pops, it's out. Put a box of rags or something under it so it doesn't get damaged. Then flip it over and use something around 5/8" diameter to press out the bearing along with the front cover. Easy! It uses a double row angular contact bearing, 3202 I believe. I was able to remove the cages intact for a good cleaning. Old hardened grease was the problem. Looks almost new and runs like new. ? Polish everything up and put it back together. I first used NLGI #2, had to do it again, too much drag so I switched to a Lithium #1. Shell Gadus S3 V220C1 to be exact, couple dollars at McMaster. I love that place and they're about 2 miles from my house! Don't use white lithium and don't over pack. My youngest son was USAF, now he's Air National Guard and a high school "industrial technology" teacher, AKA machine shop.? Hope this helps. Dave On January 5, 2019 at 7:21 PM "Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io" <wmrmeyers@...> wrote: |
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It wasn't the Atlas I was talking about there, but its new companion, a South Bend Heavy 10L toolroom lathe. Also known as a gunsmith's lathe. I can see it needing a heavier motor. Uses 5C collets rather than the 3C's Atlas uses. 1-3/8" spindle through hole. Once I? have that running, and with a 3 phase motor & VFD, I may look again at doing it to the Atlas. It has a 1/2hp 1ph motor, IIRC, and it doesn't need to be any heavier, but variable speed would sure be nice. It's a 10F. All is now clear to me, too! ;) Bill in OKC
On Sunday, January 6, 2019, 8:42:12 AM CST, cwlathes <carvelw@...> wrote:
Hi Bill, ? That is very curious . ? Keep well, ? Carvel ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io ? Don't know about that. The serial number card says it was shipped with a 3/4hp 1ph 1725 rpm motor. And a 3/4hp VFD might not be able to turn a motor rated for 2hp at all. And the motor is physically large enough it could be a 3HP motor. I don't know a lot about 3phase motors, but I work with them, so have been reading up on them. My equipment that I work on has quite a variety of motors, many 3 phase, and rated from 1/4HP to 60HP. I've still got a lot of parts to derust, paint, and put back together, so I'm not in a great hurry at the moment. Get down to the last couple of parts, it will get more urgent, though, I do suspect! ;) ? Bill in OKC ? On Sunday, January 6, 2019, 1:48:59 AM CST, cwlathes <carvelw@...> wrote: ? ? Morning Bill, ? Regards, ? Carvel ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io ? I'm thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor. Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for the combination, plus shipping.? ? The lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have 220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it. Or move the lathe to it.? ? I gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42 inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle. 40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the 22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that! :) ? The table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3' x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea. I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it was running. :) ? Bill in OKC ? ? ?
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Don't know about that. The serial number card says it was shipped with a 3/4hp 1ph 1725 rpm motor. And a 3/4hp VFD might not be able to turn a motor rated for 2hp at all. And the motor is physically large enough it could be a 3HP motor. I don't know a lot about 3phase motors, but I work with them, so have been reading up on them. My equipment that I work on has quite a variety of motors, many 3 phase, and rated from 1/4HP to 60HP. I've still got a lot of parts to derust, paint, and put back together, so I'm not in a great hurry at the moment. Get down to the last couple of parts, it will get more urgent, though, I do suspect! ;) Bill in OKC
On Sunday, January 6, 2019, 1:48:59 AM CST, cwlathes <carvelw@...> wrote:
Morning Bill, ? Regards, ? Carvel ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io ? I'm thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor. Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for the combination, plus shipping.? ? The lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have 220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it. Or move the lathe to it.? ? I gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42 inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle. 40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the 22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that! :) ? The table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3' x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea. I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it was running. :) ? Bill in OKC ? ? ?
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I'm thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor. Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for the combination, plus shipping.?
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The lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have 220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it. Or move the lathe to it.? I gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42 inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle. 40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the 22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that! :) The table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3' x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea. I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it was running. :) Bill in OKC
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Re: Royal live center
I may have something at work I can borrow, if necessary. I've made some small parts for them, so my boss is good about loaniong tools. Get yourself settled, and take your time. I retired from the USAF over 20 years ago, but still remember being jetlagged after getting home from some long trips.
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Bill in OKC -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/5/19, Dave Matticks <dpm100@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, January 5, 2019, 6:40 PM Hi Bill, I have more pics and can tell you the first try way and the easy way to get it apart! Just got home from Iceland yesterday but I'll try to do something tomorrow.? Mine is nice and smooth now and runs out less than .0002". You're going to have to invest in a 3/4" 2 piece shaft collar though, 1 piece clamp on could work as well. Set screw collars are garbage. Dave Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io" <wmrmeyers@...> Date: 1/5/19 18:16 (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center Dave,I only see one pic, and I'm VERY interested because I got one with my SB 10L lathe, and mine is more than "a little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open barn. More photos would be welcome. More info on how you got it apart, too. Mine spent a few days soaking in evaporust after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I have a small arbor press in the home shop, and a 20-ton HF hydraulic press available at work. Looks like I'll need a new bearing, from your photo.? Thanks for a really timely post! Bill in OKC On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50 PM, Dave Matticks<dpm100@...> wrote: Hi guys,? I have a Royal Products , Regal live center that either came with or was purchased along with my dad's lathe. Whatever, first one I ever used.? Recently rebuilt it. Nothing wrong except for the crunchy bearings due to dried up? grease.? Couple pics of the process.? Dave |
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I only see one pic, and I'm VERY interested because I got one with my SB 10L lathe, and mine is more than "a little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open barn. More photos would be welcome. More info on how you got it apart, too. Mine spent a few days soaking in evaporust after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I have a small arbor press in the home shop, and a 20-ton HF hydraulic press available at work. Looks like I'll need a new bearing, from your photo.? Thanks for a really timely post! Bill in OKC
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