I am getting close to needing belts for my 10F with Horizontal Countershaft.
I want to go with the link belts.
Can someone recommend a good brand and how much length will I need?
Steve
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Scrap steel right now is hardly worth hauling into the breakers, so
it is usually easy to find drops and left over chunks of unknown
steel. Learn to spark test it for carbon and then test with a file
for hardness.
You don't say what part of this earth you are on so it makes it
tough to be specific. Knowing what kind of lathe you have might be
helpful too. I turn a lot of old axles on my 12" A/C. Sometimes I
have to anneal things if it is too hard to start with.
You can download an app called iScrap from the play store to locate
metal suppliers near you.
Many times old plumbing parts have very usable bits of brass.
For melting aluminum I like pistons mixed with some extrusions. Last
batch came out awesome and made some nice blocks to carve on the
mill and a round disk to make a sanding disk out of... when I get
there LOL. Here in Oregon we get 10? a can so it is not reasonable
to melt them down for anything. Collect them trade em in and buy a
hunk of real metal. The other issue with cans is the chance of
getting some liquid left and causing a steam expulsion.
So for me, I get my metal from friends and acquaintances that know I
have a shop. If I have a project that requires a bunch of metal I
just go to the yard and buy it. After 25 years or so of collecting I
have a pretty fair stockpile.
One more tip I have. Mark any known metals so you will know what
they are. 12L14 turns wonderfully, as long as you don't need to weld
it.
Spend some time reading about the properties of the different
metals. When you go "dumpster diving" take a magnet and a small file
with you to help identify metals. Drive around an look for places
that use metals and don't be afraid to knock on some doors.
Also, very important, figure out how and where you are going to
store it all. One nice trick for shorts (less than 4 feet) I made a
box around some pieces of 4" ABS pipe, longer in back and shorter in
front.
On 3/21/2024 7:15 AM, Lbrewer42 wrote:
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Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy metal. But
as with most subjects, I find experienced people have tricks up
their sleeve. I just want some stuff to learn to turn with. B/c I
am not experienced I am thinking old railroad spikes, making a
forge and melting aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just
want to learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts,
etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found for
obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the wallet and
shelling out big bucks? I don't even have projects in mind really,
just wanting the hands on experience with different metals.
Thanks for any ideas,
Lee
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
And is much more dangerous. Pouring molten metal can be very hazardous.
On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 10:58:28 AM EDT, Peter Ross <rosspm@...> wrote:
go to a local welding shop and buy some drops.
setting up a forge and melting aluminum may be fun but won't be less expensive than buying new material.?
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
? See if you have a Metal Supermarket? In your area. They usually have what you want. Our store in Raleigh. Nc has a rack of short left over(drops) at reduced prices.
On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 10:43:02 AM EDT, Jon Elson <elson@...> wrote:
On 3/21/24 09:15, Lbrewer42 wrote: Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy
metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced
people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff
to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am
thinking old railroad spikes, making a forge and melting
aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to
learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts,
etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found
for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the
wallet and shelling out big bucks? I don't even have
projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on
experience with different metals. Ugh!? Both of these materials will NOT be easy to machine! Aluminum cans are pure aluminum (1000 alloy) and will tear and crumple when you try to machine it.? Harder alloys (2024, 6063) are much easier to machine. I have no idea what railroad spikes are made of, but I can't imagine they are anything considered? to be "free machining". Jon
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
McMaster Carr has drill rod and 12L14 in round stock at decent prices.? You can also see if your local scrap metal recycling company might let you buy from them.?
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On Mar 21, 2024, at 7:58?AM, Peter Ross <rosspm@...> wrote:
?go to a local welding shop and buy some drops.
setting up a forge and melting aluminum may be fun but won't be less expensive than buying new material.?
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Shop... no one place is always best.
I get most of my metals from the local metals scrap yards.? I'm in Portland OR and there's one with a good supply of aluminum.? They have pretty much everything but for steel I like one in Salem OR.
I've also had good luck at the new metal houses.? Some have surplus bins other will sell odd ends to the hobbyist at a good discount.? It helps a lot if you take the whole piece... like you need 10" and the one on the shelf is 19.5"... take the whole piece.
Keep an eye out for "good stuff".? If you see a piece of stock that fits the kind of thing you do, grab it... save a trip and a lot of time later.
Greg
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
go to a local welding shop and buy some drops.
setting up a forge and melting aluminum may be fun but won't be less expensive than buying new material.?
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
On 3/21/24 09:15, Lbrewer42 wrote: Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy
metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced
people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff
to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am
thinking old railroad spikes, making a forge and melting
aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to
learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts,
etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found
for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the
wallet and shelling out big bucks? I don't even have
projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on
experience with different metals. Ugh!? Both of these materials will NOT be easy to machine! Aluminum cans are pure aluminum (1000 alloy) and will tear and crumple when you try to machine it.? Harder alloys (2024, 6063) are much easier to machine. I have no idea what railroad spikes are made of, but I can't imagine they are anything considered? to be "free machining". Jon
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
A railroad spike is going to be very hard and depending on the lathe you have, might be too much to ask from it.?
Go online to ebay and buy metal from there. You can find cut off drops of a foot or less in length for 10-20 bucks.?
Buy some aluminum, brass, and 12L14 steel. stay away from the high grade steels like 4140 as they are harder to machine with a small lathe.?
Don't be afraid to screw up. that is how most of us learn. plus, youtube has a lot of beginner?videos.
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Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am thinking old railroad spikes, making
a forge and melting aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts, etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the wallet and
shelling out big bucks? I don't even have projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on experience with different metals.
Thanks for any ideas,
Lee
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Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am thinking old railroad spikes, making a forge and melting aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts, etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the wallet and shelling out big bucks? I don't even have projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on experience with different metals.
Thanks for any ideas,
Lee
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Re: Probably not a good thing
He probably got a nice new shiny one on his way out the door too
.
animal
On 3/20/24 8:37 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
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That is the company I was thinking about in my earlier post. I
think Abom did a factory tour video where I saw the different
versions.
On 3/20/2024 12:49 AM, Bill Williams
wrote:
Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to
Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I
have the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at
6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine
knock-off's for years all parts are interchangeable .
It keeps? Harbor Freight doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good
products made there if you control the process.
Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a
fictitious brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your
price. There is a Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you
can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts with the
Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away
with it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a
factory in China, and the products made there are
thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog
or website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is
made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore
<mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well
respected companies, maybe not Starrett, had a
value line of Chicom products alongside their
American made line. It does appear Starrett has a
presence in China already as this screen shot of
their website demonstrates. Something must be
getting made there. We are okay with slave labor
so long as we aren't the slaves and the products
are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location
of the slaves.
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Re: Probably not a good thing
That is the company I was thinking about in my earlier post. I think
Abom did a factory tour video where I saw the different versions.
On 3/20/2024 12:49 AM, Bill Williams
wrote:
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Show quoted text
Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to
Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I have
the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at
6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine
knock-off's for years all parts are interchangeable . It
keeps? Harbor Freight doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products
made there if you control the process. Unfortunately,
once they learn your processes, they will steal your IP
and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally
interchange genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I
honestly do not know how they get away with it. It seems
like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a
factory in China, and the products made there are thus
under their direct control. Unlike companies that buy
products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website,
it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of
Chicom products alongside their American made line.
It does appear Starrett has a presence in China
already as this screen shot of their website
demonstrates. Something must be getting made there.
We are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't
the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
Thanks Jim.? Looking him up now.
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Re: Probably not a good thing
Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I have the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...> wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious
brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally interchange
genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know
how they get away with it. It seems like Stihl would protest
more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike
companies that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or
website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom
products alongside their American made line. It does appear
Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot
of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting
made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we
aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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Re: Probably not a good thing
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious
brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally interchange
genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know
how they get away with it. It seems like Stihl would protest
more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike
companies that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or
website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom
products alongside their American made line. It does appear
Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot
of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting
made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we
aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
You can also watch ABOM 79. Adam is a good machinist that works on real projects and finds solutions that inspire us.
You guys are great!? I very much appreciate all the feedback, comments, and help.
Being new here I did some searching for settings and now set them so I will get a daily digest.? I had not see all the replies before coming here again to try to figure out the workings of this site.
I finished Mr. Pete's video series on the Atlas lathe that I bought from him as well as have spent a lot of time online watching him and others.? Health issues keep me down from always being able to be in my shop like I would like to be, but it gives more time for books and videos for learning.? There are just things I find when it is time to go hands on that are common sense to people already experienced with the lathe that I did not? find in online videos.?
??
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
You guys are great!? I very much appreciate all the feedback, comments, and help.
Being new here I did some searching for settings and now set them so I will get a daily digest.? I had not see all the replies before coming here again to try to figure out the workings of this site.
I finished Mr. Pete's video series on the Atlas lathe that I bought from him as well as have spent a lot of time online watching him and others.? Health issues keep me down from always being able to be in my shop like I would like to be, but it gives more time for books and videos for learning.? There are just things I find when it is time to go hands on that are common sense to people already experienced with the lathe that I did not? find in online videos.?
??
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Re: Probably not a good thing
It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they will
steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a Stihl knockoff
on Amazon that you can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts
with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away with
it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty
obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies,
maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products
alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett
has a presence in China already as this screen shot of their
website demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We
are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and
the products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the
location of the slaves.
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
this what yer lookin for
?
animal
n 3/18/24 12:56 PM, Lbrewer42 wrote:
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Total newbie. Did my first turning not long ago. I learned a lot.
Specifically that I have a lot to learn, but also that this is
going to be something i REALLY enjoy. I am trying to find a chart
showing the different speed settings for my 10 inch V54. Does
anyone have such a thing?
I have been looking online and not found one so far.
Thanks, Lee
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Re: Probably not a good thing
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they will
steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a Stihl knockoff
on Amazon that you can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts
with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away with
it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty
obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore
<mpoore10@...> wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies,
maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products
alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett has
a presence in China already as this screen shot of their website
demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We are okay
with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and the
products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location of
the slaves.
|
Jim F
Lbrewer42