Well, someone's paying attention...
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Browsing through that Well-Known Internet Auction Community, I came across this listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-N-Scale-2288b-T-P-W-New-in-Jewel-Case/222949455086?hash=item33e8d2b4ee:g:TTcAAOSwQFNa4j3Z I find it rather gratifying that the seller (with whom I am not affiliated) listed the car as "2288b" - as in, our A1G designation. Maybe people are noticing... Cheers, George your list-owner
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Updating Atlas Wikipedia Page with A1G-any volunteers
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Hey gang, I wandered over to the Wikipedia page for Atlas... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Model_Railroad ...and believe it or not, there is not a single mention of their N Scale Rolling Stock, starting of course with A1G in the late 1960s. (I don't have a precise date.) I have a Wikipedia editing login that I rarely used. I would have updated the page myself, citing the A1G site as a source... but Wikipedia does not allow you to cite yourself as a source. (Gee, I wonder why...) If someone would like to volunteer add a few lines about how Atlas started with A1G, moved the production to the USA and then to China, I think that would be a start. Who knows, maybe we'll get a little more traffic out of it. Cheers, George your group owner
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Atlas 2287 IC 41677 vs IC 41877
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Has anyone found legible proof that Atlas released 41677 and 41877 in the brown color? Or is 41877 the result of print stamp wear on 41677? I'm looking at 5 examples.. 3 brown, 2 orange.. Both Orange cars are clearly 41677.. One Brown car.. the 6/8 was printed over a rivet line and sort of looks like an 8.. but the reverse side clearly looks like a 6. The other 2 brown examples the numbers are too thick and close together to make out a 6 vs 8.. So it looks like an 8.. but it could be the plate wore down to make a 6 an 8 ~Ian
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A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
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Good Morning Gentlemen, AIUTTL... ;-0 Does the cogniscenti know of prototypes for these shorter (9' IH) height cars? Yes I know of the MP 'Express' cars, but others? The Grande certainly had none such new in steel, so a rebuild is the only likely possibility they would. A trawl of STEFC found little useful reference except an "1923 ARA cars. I think the series was 29300-29449" referring to GAA. (And with that, the posts remain 'external' and not like the model here. A model DRGW 67598 has popped up for sale, never seen before, and yet I'm torn as it is in 1968 Aspen/Silver paint scheme, which of course would never have happened, so a repaint 'one-day' would mean just another boxcar. I think I just talked myself out of it... thanks davew
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Life After A1G: Roco and Walthers 40 Foot Double Door Boxcars
Gang, Following the end of the A1G period, the Roco tooling for the A1G 40 Foot Double Door Boxcars was reused twice. I have added tables to the A1G 2280 page to document this. I have a number of these cars in the accumulation and hope to add some photos of these cars "soon." First, Roco reissued the car under its own brand. The roadnames are at least Wabash, New Haven, Great Northern, MKT "Katy", Canadian National and Baltimore and Ohio. Then, Walthers marketed the Roco car, circa the mid 1990s. The trucks are different -- all plastic including the wheels this time-- and there are end markings included. The roadnames here were Union Pacific, CB&Q/Burlington, Santa Fe, Milwaukee Road, Great Northern and Chicago & North Western. There were three different road numbers for each as far as I can tell. I have all three Milwaukee Road cars. I'm still looking to document additional roadnumbers for the UP, CB&O, Santa Fe and GN releases. I've checked Trovestar and eBay and done a general search as well which did get me farther than expected. Anyone who can "fill in the blanks" let us know! Cheers, George Your list-owner
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#3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
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and the consequences for history. I'll just lob this out there and see what the high-ups think. A1G 3000 Series: 60 Foot Bulkhead Log Flat Cars Nominally stated as 60' in length-these are a shy shorter and now it's a factor that actual cars of close lengths- 57' mechanical reefers or 60' boxcars are being modelled. According to my calibrated N scale rule, they actually measure up at 57'6" maximum outside/ external length. As can be safely measured, that's 56'6" inside (between end bulkheads, though not that relevant I guess). Contrasting with the 1964 ORER measurements cited. Should these cars now be redefined and more accurately portrayed? {I have one that had lost it's weight and underframe before I purchased, but topside and running is unaffected}. regards davew
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Really, really 'first generation'...sort of...
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Gang, As you know, I have been perusing the Model Railroader "75 Years" DVD in search of advertisements for, among other things, A1G equipment. I've also been making my way through the MR issues chronologically. And I've come to the December 1947 issue, which contains what I believe to be the first advertisement of any kind from the Atlas Tool Company. No, it's not A1G, nor is it N Scale (what do you mean, "off topic"?). It's an ad for "The Atlas Completely Assembled Turnout" in #4, #6, #8 (!) and WYE configurations. All except the #8 had a list price of $2.25, the #8 was $2.50. Plugging that into the Inflation Calculator, I see that $2.25 is about $24.57 now. Hmm... Only about another 20 years or so until I get to a "real" A1G advertisement... Cheers, George (your list owner)
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Atlas Rivarossi FM "C" 2121
I found the information on the Atlas Rivarossi Locomotives very helpful when I began to purchase a number of them to repair for an N scale I was planning to build. The information was so very detailed and i got engrossed in the process and collected a number of them along with parts. As we know live changes and things happened and I have decided not to build a layout. I have read many email and know there this is a group that appreciates these early Atlas products and although this isn't a "Selling" site I felt I would offer the lot of them to someone who is interested at a very reasonable cost. They are in various states of condition and some run some not...I have a picture of the lot if you are interested please correspond with me directly at mtressell@plateautel,net so we don't take up others time! Again thank you for the great information on these early Atlas N Scale units...ah if I was only 10 years younger! Sincerely Marty Tressell Clovis, NM USA
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Model Railroader September 1970: 94 Foot Tank Car Review
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With the April UMTRR out the door, I'm back to my occasional search for that second run of the Vinegar Tank Car that we discussed here a few weeks ago. And instead, I came across the "Trade Topics" review of the A1G 94 Foot Tank Car on Page 12 of the September 1970 issue of Model Railroader. (I have the DVD of the 1934-2009 collection.) The review mentions "prototypes" when only one was built. And of course no discussion that there was only one prototypical paint scheme, GATX, because there was only one car! MR wrote, "The cars will actually negotiate curves of 7.5" (19-cm.) radius, although they look more at home on greater radii." Hmm, maybe I should dig out that Minitrix track I have around here somewhere... It's also noted that the car weighed one and one-quarter ounces. There's a prototype photo accompanying the article as well as a photo collage of all four models (GATX, Citgo, Texaco, Wanda Petroleum). This release is what I call the last of the A1G line. And with that find, or perhaps I should say rediscovery, I can tag 1970 as the release year for these items. As another reference, Bachmann had just introduced their N Scale Metroliner model--only in Penn Central! No Amtrak until the next year. Cheers, George
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a1g cars
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Hi Group I have lots of a1g cars. I will be moving, and can't take them with me. If your looking for any of them let me know. Will deal with you on one or more. Most are new. THANKS
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(Admin) Replying directly to sender instead of the list
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Just thought I would pass along this rather non-obvious way to reply to someone directly instead of to the entire list. (Like, for interest in buying things.) If you reply online via the groups.io site, and click the "Private" button to the bottom right of the text box in which you type, the reply should go to sender and not to the list. (Ask me how I know this... fortunately, from another group on io... ) Cheers, George
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Paul is fine...
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Doug noted (since he's a moderator) that Paul Dickash left this group. I ran into him today at a local train show. I told him we were worried about him. All is well... e-mail issues. I gave him my e-mail and he'll be back on as soon as he can. Cheers, George
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Q&A Department...
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Some questions have come up inside other threads and I thought I'd start a new one to respond. Excuse the paraphrasing... Q: Can we discuss other vintage N Scale on this list? A: I'd rather keep things focused on A1G equipment, but if it's related to A1G that's OK. An example is the Roco/Walthers re-issues of about 1990 that I tripped over. Q: Does anyone remember a book about N Scale equipment that was published by someone in Pennsylvania? A: There are two possible answers: "Greenberg's Price Guide To N Gauge Trains" published in 1991 and "The Collector's Guide to N Scale" by Barry Wingard published in 1984. I have Wingard's book and I've referenced it for A1G and UMTRR purposes. Q: Is it OK to list for sale items here? A: Yes, if they are A1G, and as long as it's not excessive. Cheers, George (your list-owner)
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Thick/Thin PRR variation found on the single door box
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Also to note (not found on George's site), I have come across a thick/thin variation on the single door 40' boxcar as well as the 40' double door box.. One could conclude that variations exist on the 50' double door as well. See photo attached. I assume the 2 that left didnt care to sit through an actual discussion about early Atlas stuff.. List has been quiet for a while until the tank discussion came up.. (I forgot I was subscribed until I saw a post, ohh yeah, that Vinegar car...) ~Ian
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Weekends Last Question-
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What is Bertren or iBertren ? (A little hard to tell from the typeface used by 'them'). Because, I have unwittingly become the owner of... two... The suspense would last longer if we did not have you know what! cheers D
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A1G 3020 Series: 50 Foot Container Flat Cars
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George I've done some recent research and tripped on [another] prototype and if you wish, can provide data and updates should you wish to 'improve' the accuracy of said reference. I note the type has never, by number, been referenced in these glorious annals (nearly slipped there...) regards davew Sunday 1200 hrs
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'Tale of the Whale' in January 2018 Model Railroader
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Gang, Somehow I've managed to stumble into the digital edition of the January 2019 issue of Model Railroader (not sure how...) and on Page 26 is Jim Kelly's regular column "N Scale Insight." The topic of his column for that issue is our old friend the A1G Whale-Belly Tank Car. Jim's approach toward the car is more "What were they thinking?" but I'd counter that Roco's product for Atlas, released in 1970, had not been run before and hasn't been done since. That's not the only A1G car that has that distinction. Perhaps a Letter to the Editor is in order... Cheers, George (your list-owner)
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Still seeing A1G...
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Gang, I've been slowly going through a backlog of print magazines from this year (don't ask!) and I see that model railroad feature stories still, well, feature A1G rolling stock. Although they've long been surpassed by later releases, I think this is fascinating. The latest example I note is in the September/October 2018 issue of N Scale Magazine. The article "Still Workin' on the Railroad" has photos which include the A1G Monon composite gondola (Catalog 2233). And it's been some fifty years since it was first available! My A1G cars have largely been retired from regular service, but how about yours? Cheers, George
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Hamm¡¯s Beer
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All, Who originally produced this car? My cars under frame has the embossed manufacturers name scratched off. Tom
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A1G + copycats 40' E.War / Composite Gons
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hi gang, Though good offices of a guy at Railwiire I got a large handful of these, mixture as cited of A1G, Trix/ Walthers and Bachmann in various conditions of completion. Most to be stripped back to plain mineral red or black and used as coal cars on the ol' D&RG/W hypothetical railroad I'm fashioning. Mineral red being the color of some gon series before the 40's, so thats a justification I'll run with. cheers dave w
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