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Re: Hannah JACKSON
Hi Birth certificates didn't come in until 1837, unfortunately, when civil registration was introduced. Before this time you're relying on parish registers.? I couldn't find Hannah and Robert in the 1851 census - but there is a Hannah and Thomas ALVIN in Sunk Island - he's the innkeeper (maybe Robert's brother?)? I found Hannah and Robert ALVIN in the 1861 census in Paull at?Land Cottage, Saltagh Lands, Paull, Patrington.? Robert was 61? - so born 1800, in Paull and an agricultural labourer Hannah was 62 - so born 1799 and gives her birthplace also as Paull - so that gives a timeframe and means Hannah would be about 23 when Grice was born and about 29/30 years old when she married Robert.? There is a Hannah GREENSIDES daughter of Elizabeth JACKSON baptised in Paull on January 12 1796. Unfortunately she was buried the same day. The only other one I could find around that time was Hannah WATSON - daughter of Ann JACKSON baptised in Keyingham December 20, 1798. That's a better fit time-wise - and - Hannah ALVIN died aged 84 in Hull in 1883. Her death was registered in Sculcoates - reference March Q 1883 9D 125 - but Hannah ALVIN of Hull was buried on Feb 14 1883 at Keyingham parish church. Sounds to me like Hannah being taken 'home' for burial.? There are three Ann JACKSONs baptised in Keyingham in time to be Hannah's mum 1772 Ann - June 9, daughter of William (would be 26 when Hannah was born) 1777 Ann 19 Jan - daughter of Thomas (21 when Hannah born) 1780 Ann Nov 26 - daughter of Marmaduke (18 when Hannah born) There's also a burial in 1805 Ann - daughter of John and Mary JACKSON, July 20 aged 24 - so that gives a birth date of 1871. She would be 17 when Hannah was born. Ann JACKSON married George WALKER November 13, 1800 at Keyingham.... I wonder, though, if? Ann had a baby daughter, if they wouldn't have just called her WALKER - rather than her growing up as JACKSON?? Ann JACKSON married Henry Parker of Hollym - June 4,1811 at Keyingham I also found in the York Herald of Tuesday April 12, 1887 a death notice for Grice's wife... JACKSON - on the 9th inst, Jane wife of Grice JACKSON at Withernsea aged 66.? Hope that's some help best wishes Jane? Chasing W(H)ELDRAKE/DRICK - any variation, anywhere, any time On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 17:32, GrahBak via <bakergry=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Hannah JACKSON
How did you find where Grice was in 1822?
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From census entries Hannah was born Keyingham, Yorkshire c 1799
There is a baptism of Hannah Watson illegitimate daughter of Ann JACKSON on 20 Nov 1798, Keyingham. You won't find a birth certificate prior to 1837.
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I've just seen your tree on Ancestry - you already have this.
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Hannah JACKSON
I am trying to find the birth of Hannah JACKSON?mother of Grice JACKSON?and to see if the Hannah JACKSON?who married Robert ALVIN?is the same person. Any help appreciated ? 1843?? 21 Feb 1843 Marriage Grice JACKSON?Servant living @ Paull, father Mathew GRICE, Servant, to Jane DUNN, Servant of Sigglesthorne, father William DUNN Labourer - Parish Church in Sigglesthorne- witnesses Prudence CHAPMAN and George MOOR ? ?1821, 22 Apr Grice JACKSON?bap *(IGI) born Owthorne, mother Hannah JACKSON?spinster ??????????????? #123 Grice son of Hannah JACKSON spinster, ceremonies performed by Chas BARKER curate ? 1822 Grice JACKSON?living at Barb Lane Owthorne in one of 2 cottages left on the cliff. ? 1829 June 6 Robert ALVIN?of Welwick Patrington married Hannah JACKSON?of Welwick Patrington. Banns said living at Sunk Island ? The reason I think the Hannah JACKSON who married to Robert ALVIN is Grice’s mother is because in some bios of Grice he said he was living at Cherry Cobb Sands where his parents farmed a smallholding. Grice age 5 or 9 left Owthorne and went to Cherry Cobb Sands. If I can find Hannah's birth certificate I think I will have the answer |
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Yorkshire Surnames List - August update
开云体育New names added last month SHARP? SQUIRE If you would like to add your surname(s) to the list, please use the form at: ? ? **PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON***** ? Lin Duke Yorkshire Surnames List Administrator |
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Re: Joseph BENTLEY 1814-1874
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I was intrigued by the name Manoah. (means 'place of rest') and found
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Manoah BENTLEY, baptised 19 May 1816, Batley, son of Joseph and Martha, clothier
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Manoah BENTLEY, full age, cordwainer married Saran BENN 19 Sept 1840 Batley, father Joseph, carrier
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BENTLEY, MANOAH ? ? ? ? ILLINGWORTH ? ? ?
GRO Reference: 1855 ?J Quarter in BRADFORD AND NORTH BIERLEY YORKSHIRE ?Volume 09B ?Page 126? ?
Manoah BENTLEY, baptised Nov 2, 1862, Bradford, son of Joseph and Hannah, cordwainer
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Manoah BENTLEY, 20. maker up in Stuff warehouse, married Hannah ROUSE, Bradford, 4 Mar 1876, father Joseph, shoemaker, deceased
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Re: Joseph BENTLEY 1814-1874
开云体育Thanks for your musings, Lin. There are definitely two Josephs born around the same time in the same area. However, the clincher for me is the 1851 census where Lidian (Lydia Ann BENTLEY) is living with her father and his second wife, Mary WESTERMAN and he’s a wool carter.Joseph’s death certificate says he was ‘an overlooker at a woolen mill’ as he was in the 1861 and 1871 census. So that rules out the shoemaker, Joseph and makes it likely that the Scholemoor burial is the shoemaker. I think I have the right one and that Jonathan and Mary are his parents. Just working through the permutations of your musings has been very helpful and I’m very grateful you took the time to look at all that information. Julie
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Re: Joseph BENTLEY 1814-1874
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My musings.
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Joseph BENTLEY son of Joseph and Martha ? Baptised 29 May 1814 Batley, son of Joseph and Martha, clothier, abode Morley ? 1816 birth of brother Manoah 1826 death of mother Martha 1827 father, clothier married Sarah BRUMLEY, widow ? 1841 census Morley: Joseph, 55, carrier Sarah, 50 Joseph, 25, shoemaker (unmarried???) Mary, 10 ? 1847 burial of stepmother Sarah BENTLEY ? 1851 census West Ardsley, Joseph, visitor, 37, shoemaker (marital status not stated) GLASSELL family ? 1851 census Morley, father Joseph, common carrier living with his dau Mary and son in law Benjamin DRIVER ? 1841-1853. Posssible marriages of Joseph BENTLEY?? as Joseph a widower in 1853 ? 1853 Joseph widower, shoemaker married Hannah ILLINGWORTH, ?father Joseph, cloth maker signed his name 1853 Feb 13, Joseph, 38, widower. Clothier, father Jonathan, made his mark ? 1855 son Manoah born MMN ILLINGWORTH??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 1857 death of father Joseph ? 1861 census Bradford Joseph, 42, shoemaker, born Batley, wife Hannah, 37 son Manoah, 5 ? 1871 census Bradford Joseph, mar, 57, cordwainer, Hannah, 47, Manoah, 15 ? Most, if not all, trees on Ancestry have Joseph dying on 13 Mar 1874 Morley (which is the date you have for your Joseph). There is another more likely candidate (for Joseph son of Joseph and Martha) whose death was registered Bradford (where he was in 1871) Jun Q 1874 aged 60 Findagrave memorial Joseph 23 May 1874 Scholemoor Crem. (spouse Hannah), child Manoah appears to back my theory ? 1881 census Bowling Hannah, 58, widow Manoah, 27, his wife Hannah, grandson, Joseph 5, granddau Sophia, 1 ? Noted that your Joseph named one of his sons Jonathan after his father, the other Joseph, a son Manoah after his brother. ? To me there are two Joseph BENTLEYs. ? My thoughts anyway.:) ? Lin ? ? |
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Re: Joseph BENTLEY 1814-1874
开云体育Lin,Ann’s death certificate shows Joseph as a slubber and Joseph ELLIS (Morley Common) present at time of death. He may be her brother born to the same parents in 1803. Jonathan was a ‘clothier’ and Ann’s father was also. No mention of shoemakers. Julie
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Re: Joseph BENTLEY 1814-1874
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All the marriages you mention to Ann ELLIS (1835), Mary WESTERMAN (1843) Esther BROWN (1853),? Joseph made a mark. and occupations stubber and clothier for Joseph and father Jonathan for the last two.
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The other Joseph signed his name on his 1853 marriage, occupation shoemaker, father Joseph.
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Have you obtained Ann's 1841 death certificate to check Joseph's occupation?
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Re: Joseph BENTLEY 1814-1874
Julie
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There is a baptism of Joseph son of Jonathan and Mary BENTLEY in Woodkirk in 1814. Abode, Morley, father's occupation clothier.
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The tree on Ancestry that I looked at had Joseph son of Joseph and Martha marrying Ann ELLIS in 1835 (as you have) and Hannah ILLINGWORTH in 1853 (father Joseph)
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What I have done in the past is to compare each person, create a time line , check signatures on marriages, occupations etc to make sure I haven't mixed two people up.
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Re: Joseph BENTLEY 1814-1874
开云体育Thanks for your thoughtful reply, John. I suppose I’m rather naive when it comes to what these documents contain, taking them at face value.Regards, Julie
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MOVERLEY
I've been able to prove my MOVERLEY line back to a marriage in the parish of Bramham in 1676. John MOVERLEY appears to have come in from elsewhere as there are no earlier references to the surname in the parish registers and he is not named in either the 1672 or 1674 Hearth Tax lists. The only other MOVERLEYs in evidence at this time were resident in the parish of Kellington about 15 miles to the south but I've yet to find anything that might link him to them. He remains an enigma. |
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Re: James SYKES (b circa 1833)
开云体育Lin The 1861 census was possibly the worst kept of all the census returns and certainly in the 1950s if you went to the Public Records Office to look at the census you would have been given the original book to look at. ? So, there are many books with missing pages at the beginning and end due to handling and many missing in the middle where they were pulled out. ? I have many families where I can’t find them in 1861 ? Interestingly I checked your Hiram in the GROs own indexes an it has his mothers maiden name as Simpson not Atkinson – I assume he is the one born in Dewsbury RD ? Regards John Hanson FSG Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust - Research website - And my own study of FOSKER ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lin Duke
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [yorksgen] James SYKES (b circa 1833) ? James SYKES (b circa 1833) married Hannah ATKINSON (b 1837), in Castleford in 1857. I cannot find them on1861 census. ? I would imagine that were some between 1857 and 1862. 1911 census says she had 11 children - (I've found seven of them). 6 living. ? They had two children I am sure of in Hopton - George Thomas in 1862 (not on GRO but have his baptism) and Hiram b 1864. Both were baptised on the same day in 1864.? James is now William James. ? Between 1869 and 1872 he appears to be known as Joseph STEAD. Joseph is on 1871 census, 36, coal miner, place of birth not known, Hannah, 28, born Monk Bretton*, George T STEAD, 9, Hiram STEAD and Ernest STEAD. ? Mary Ellen STEAD daughter of Joseph and Hannah (ATKINSON) was born Court 13 Shambles St in 1872. When she married in 1895 her surname is SYKES, father James SYKES (deceased). Witnesses were Hiram and Annie SYKES ? James SYKES died 6 June 1875 at Court 13 Shambles St, Barnsley. Hannah was the informant. ? *Hannah was baptised in Wragby, Yorkshire in 1837, daughter of George and Anne . On 1871-1911 censuses she gives her birth place as Monk Bretton. Yorkshire]. ? Hannah SYKES married George ROLLINGS in 1877. ? In 1917 Hannah was murdered by her daughter Annie STEAD. ? Any help in locating them in 1861 would be gratefully received. ? Lin ? ? |
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Some of Yorkshire's Court Records and Archives Go Online
From Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter, ? Barnsley's borough archives have been made available on family history website Ancestry... ? It is the first time the material has been accessible digitally and means researchers no longer have to visit the archives in person. ? It is hoped the records will provide "a rich source of information" and "a fascinating glimpse" into the lives and struggles of ordinary people. ? The Barnsley Archives and Local Studies [] service supplied 100,000 entries from baptism, marriage and burial registers to Ancestry, as well as transcriptions of more than a million cases heard in Barnsley Magistrates' Court between 1841 and 1923. ? The two databases were collated and can now be viewed by Ancestry users worldwide. ? The parish registers include more than 100 different churches and chapels that existed across the Barnsley area. ? The colourful court records detail the petty criminals charged over matters such as theft, poaching and drunkenness. ? The archives were previously only available to browse at Barnsley Town Hall. ? ? ? |
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James SYKES (b circa 1833)
James SYKES (b circa 1833) married Hannah ATKINSON (b 1837), in Castleford in 1857. I cannot find them on1861 census.
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I would imagine that were some between 1857 and 1862. 1911 census says she had 11 children - (I've found seven of them). 6 living.
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They had two children I am sure of in Hopton - George Thomas in 1862 (not on GRO but have his baptism) and Hiram b 1864. Both were baptised on the same day in 1864.? James is now William James.
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Between 1869 and 1872 he appears to be known as Joseph STEAD. Joseph is on 1871 census, 36, coal miner, place of birth not known, Hannah, 28, born Monk Bretton*, George T STEAD, 9, Hiram STEAD and Ernest STEAD.
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Mary Ellen STEAD daughter of Joseph and Hannah (ATKINSON) was born Court 13 Shambles St in 1872. When she married in 1895 her surname is SYKES, father James SYKES (deceased). Witnesses were Hiram and Annie SYKES
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James SYKES died 6 June 1875 at Court 13 Shambles St, Barnsley. Hannah was the informant.
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*Hannah was baptised in Wragby, Yorkshire in 1837, daughter of George and Anne . On 1871-1911 censuses she gives her birth place as Monk Bretton. Yorkshire].
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Hannah SYKES married George ROLLINGS in 1877.
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In 1917 Hannah was murdered by her daughter Annie STEAD.
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Any help in locating them in 1861 would be gratefully received.
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Re: Thomas FLETCHER born 1756 Yorkshire
John
?I came across another baptism record years ago that was just as informative but I hadn't realised it was in a Dade register. I am finding that most registers of this time give very bare information. What a pity there weren't more Dade registers! At the moment I would be glad to find bare facts for Thomas b 1756
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:53?PM John Hanson via <john.hanson=[email protected]> wrote:
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Evelyn APPLEYARD
I am reading this book (see below) ? I thought I would mention Evelyn (Eve) APPLEYARD ? She was the second wife of Joe HOBBS who owned several distilleries, the Great Glen Cattle Ranch and Inverlochy Castle Hotel. ? She was born in Bawtry, near Doncaster, in 1900.? So I thought she might be of interest to someone here. ? She was the elder of two daughters of George Henry (Harry) SNOW, a coachman and his wife Flora.? They moved to London before the 1911 Census, with Harry still working as a coachman and living in Kensington.? She travelled back and forth between England, Scotland and Canada. ? There is more in the book and probably online. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Not Your Average Joe A Biography of Joseph William Hobbs (1891–1963), Whisky Entrepreneur
Released: 28th August, 2024Format: Paperback, eBook ISBN: 9781805144250 eISBN: 9781836286417 ? ?
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Re: Thomas FLETCHER born 1756 Yorkshire
开云体育Margaret You will not find a baptism register entry like that for Thomas born in 1756 – likely to have father but not the mother ? That register in 1782 is in format known as “Dade registers” common in the North Yorkshire/Durham area between 1780 and 1812. ? Regards John Hanson FSG Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust - Research website - And my own study of FOSKER ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Margaret Shearing
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2024 2:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [yorksgen] Thomas FLETCHER born 1756 Yorkshire ? Hi I would welcome your thoughts in finding Thomas FLETCHER’s baptism in 1756. Below is what I know: When I found the baptism for my 4x Gt Grandfather Thomas FLETCHER bap 1782 at Sherburn in Elmet, Yorks. it contained such a lot of ancestral information below: ‘Thomas 2nd son of Thomas of Bishop-dikeside Labourer son of William of Barlow farmer by Mary his wife, daughter of ….. (presumably unknown to the registrar) Mary daughter of John Dent of Little Fenton farmer by Ann his wife daughter of Joseph Jaqueman of Bramham - Gardener Born Sunday 27th January 1782? Baptised Monday 11th 贵别产谤耻补谤测’ ? I found his parent’s marriage: Thomas FLETCHER of Birchin (Birkin?) & Mary DENT of Sherburn (in Elmet) married 30 Jan 1778 by Licence with consent of parents. ? Knowing that Thomas’ father was William I searched for a baptism for Thomas. I could not find an obvious baptism for Thomas about 1756. There was one baptism for Thomas whose father was William, 21 Feb 1722 Sherburn in Elmet. Rather early I think. Thomas would have been an older man when he married Mary DENT who needed her parent’s consent to marry. It is possible that Mary was Thomas’ 2nd wife. Of course, he could have required looking after later in life and Mary may have been his ‘housekeeper’ but Mary gave birth to Thomas Jnr in 1782. ? I found several baptisms around 1753-1761 with father William. One included mother Mary at Lythe. 17 Feb 1760. The others were in Birstall, Ecclesfield, Luddenden, Barnsley. Yesterday, Ancestry came up with 1758 Rothwell , father Robert. Today it is suggesting William FLETCHER & Mary THRESH are his parents and they married 21 Nov 1742 Wm bap either 1718 Brayton OR 12 Oct 1718 Sherburn in Elmet, Yorks. ? I found Thomas Snr on the 1841 census living with a son Matthew and his grandchildren. So I then found a baptism for Matthew. Another breakthrough as it gave the same details of his ancestry matching his brother Thomas Jnr bap 1782. Then I found another 9 bap for Thomas & Mary DENT. So I had found the correct Thomas in 1841 which meant I found a death record for him. Thanks to digital GRO records I had both Thomas & Mary’s death records within minutes! From his death & burial records I am certain that Thomas was definitely born in 1756. I would welcome thoughts in finding his baptism in 1756. ? Thinking about possible parents of Thomas Snr: William FLETCHER & Mary THRESH married 21 Nov 1742. Their burials are at Brayton.? Wm was a farmer of Barlow, as also mentioned in Thomas Jnr ’s bap. ??and Mary was wife of Wm of BARLOW, farmer & dau of Wm THRESH. BUT still I cannot find a bap for Thomas 1756. I did find 2 bap at Wessell with Wm as father 1752 & 1748. ? Since the burials match the info to bap of grandson Thomas Jnr 1782 I think I have found the correct Wm & Mary BUT no evidence of their children OR more importantly Thomas. ? Margaret? |
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