Re: The Pennsylvania Railroad 4-6-2 K class
Now to finish off my K2 class, here is a Westside PRR K2 in brass. A loco I acquired this about 2 years ago.
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Re: The Pennsylvania Railroad 4-6-2 K class
Here is another of my K2 locomotives. This one is a Cary, Mantua, MDC version. It has the Cary casted K2 diecast conversion boiler, mounted on a Mantua 4-6-2 drive. A low side MDC tender gives a appporate look to this K2 class pacific. This much better copies the look seen on photos of the K2 class.
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Re: The Pennsylvania Railroad 4-6-2 K class
I like most model train persons born in the mid 1940's by the time 1980s arrived had a Penn Line K4. After getting a second one I wanted another one, but not a K4 but a earlier type to pull my set of MDC 60' wood style cars. I wanted a K2. Brass was out of the question. By this time my 3 kids had all arrived and I had to look to what I have my new K2 class locomotive. I had 2 Lionel pacifics. These Lionel had modified to allow their standard HO motor to within the boiler casting. They were lionel #0625 which had only a electric light? and when i got them very cheap. What Lionel added to the boiler appears as a small Belpaire firebox. The K2 had a smaller firebox than the K4. This became my K2. All photos I had seen up to that time showed a lower tender. I mated a Bachmann tender for a Reading 2-8-0 to my Lionel Pacific and Walla my new at the time PRR K2.
edit; What knowledgeable collectors will notice is this loco isn't a 0625, it has a smoke unit and pumping pistons to make the smoke puff out of the stack. I had gotten a 0635? drive and subustited drives. Now this loco is upgraded and? has a headlight and smoke unit.
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The Pennsylvania Railroad 4-6-2 K class
The Pennsylvania Railroad and its development of the K class steam locomotives.
J28, 2761, 7453, Two working locomotives designed to be a test platform for the Future K class 6 wheel drive using large wheels. They were a large type 2-6-2.
K28 7067 Alcoa built, to PWF&C, Pennsy Lines West
J29 became K29s. A locomotive built by Alco as a test bed for the new K class
K1 lines east drawings only, rejected in favor of K2. None built!
K2, an experimental locomotive of lines west. The Fort Wayne K2 was selected.
K2, The first of this line of Pennsyfied locomotives (with Belpaire fireboxes) which in 1913 numbered 227.
K3s first 30 were built by Baldwin with large cylinders.
K29s #3395 Alco built prototype for K4
K4 is the most numerous in the class at 429.
K5 5698, 5699, came at the end of steam power. Steam was replaced by Diesels.
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Re: Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?
I'll post a photo from a 1957 catalog of the of a International model product brass Reading 0-4-0C. I think this is the one I posted in my photos here.
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Re: Test (Puget Sound Soundoff)
Well if any of you want a hand in building a layout or just someone to bs with I'm here. Recently have even been scratchbuilding turnouts.
Nathan
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From: Brian Pickering
Sent: Feb 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Test
And I'm in the relative boonies of Sammamish, WA.
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Hi guys ! Lee town made conversion kits for Varney Super Consols to roll them into Reading I class ? Reading cab , firebox , etc . ?? No 2-8-2 that I ever heard of ???? ? Henry H.?
On Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 2:57:10 PM PST, Bob Macklin <macklinbob@...> wrote:
Jeff,
?
In 1954 I owned a Penn Line K-4. I was in the USAF in Korea.
?
In the 90's I built every one of the Bowser PRR locos except the GG-1. I always noticed the similarities between the Penn Line and Bowser units.
?
Right now I would like a Bowser "Casey Jones" and "Old Lady" but I don't have any money when they are available.
?
Bob Macklin
Seattle, Wa.??
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Bob,
? ?? Lew English bought Penn Line after they went bankrupt and added their locos to the Bowser line. That was in 1962 or so. The L1, along with all other locos, went through changes by Bowser over the years before Bowser stopped making them. ?
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Macklin < macklinbob@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Did the Penn Line L-1 become the Bowser L-1?
?
Just curious. Not doing PRR anymore!
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
John,
? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there
was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance,
it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brass-Frame-Locomotive-And-Running-Gear-For-Repair-HO-Scale/273713909145?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued.
The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s.
Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation. I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first
produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951.
While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced
non the less.
Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam.
Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0.
John Hagen
?
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers
could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Jeff
jppellas@...
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Jeff,
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In 1954 I owned a Penn Line K-4. I was in the USAF in Korea.
?
In the 90's I built every one of the Bowser PRR locos except the GG-1. I always noticed the similarities between the Penn Line and Bowser units.
?
Right now I would like a Bowser "Casey Jones" and "Old Lady" but I don't have any money when they are available.
?
Bob Macklin
Seattle, Wa.??
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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Bob,
? ?? Lew English bought Penn Line after they went bankrupt and added their locos to the Bowser line. That was in 1962 or so. The L1, along with all other locos, went through changes by Bowser over the years before Bowser stopped making them. ?
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Macklin < macklinbob@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Did the Penn Line L-1 become the Bowser L-1?
?
Just curious. Not doing PRR anymore!
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
John,
? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there
was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance,
it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brass-Frame-Locomotive-And-Running-Gear-For-Repair-HO-Scale/273713909145?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued.
The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s.
Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation. I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first
produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951.
While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced
non the less.
Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam.
Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0.
John Hagen
?
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers
could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Jeff
jppellas@...
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Bob,
? ?? Lew English bought Penn Line after they went bankrupt and added their locos to the Bowser line. That was in 1962 or so. The L1, along with all other locos, went through changes by Bowser over the years before Bowser stopped making them. ?
Jeff
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Macklin <macklinbob@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Did the Penn Line L-1 become the Bowser L-1?
?
Just curious. Not doing PRR anymore!
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
John,
? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there
was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance,
it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brass-Frame-Locomotive-And-Running-Gear-For-Repair-HO-Scale/273713909145?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued.
The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s.
Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation. I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first
produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951.
While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced
non the less.
Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam.
Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0.
John Hagen
?
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers
could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Jeff
jppellas@...
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John,
? ?? Yeah, I agree. Not a Varney drive for sure but it isn't Bowser or Penn Line either. The front steps are different. The air tank is different. Similar, yes, but that's because of the same prototype. Maybe a scratch build? Did you see both examples? I think there are Varney components on both locos. At least the cross heads and the steam chest appear to be Varney. The double screws on the bottom to hold the chest to the frame are an indicator. If that complete loco was being sold separately, I would have tried to get it. Not interested in the auction for just the chassis. Thanks for your time!
--Jeff
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From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Jeff,
From what I’ve been able to dig up on hoseeker, it looks to be a Bowser. They are both rather similar but not alike. Based on what I’ve seen, and considering that the illustrations in hoseeker are drawings, not photos, the Bowser looks closer than the Penn Line.
It is not a Varney drive.
John Hagen
?
?
? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance, it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued.
The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s.
Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951.
While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced non the less.
Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam.
Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0.
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Jeff
jppellas@...
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Jeff, From what I’ve been able to dig up on hoseeker, it looks to be a Bowser. They are both rather similar but not alike. Based on what I’ve seen, and considering that the illustrations in hoseeker are drawings, not photos, the Bowser looks closer than the Penn Line. It is not a Varney drive. John Hagen ?
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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 12:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1 ? ? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance, it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line? ? -----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1 No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued. The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s. Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951. While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced non the less. Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam. Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0. Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1 Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Jeff
jppellas@...
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Did the Penn Line L-1 become the Bowser L-1?
?
Just curious. Not doing PRR anymore!
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
John,
? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there
was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance,
it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brass-Frame-Locomotive-And-Running-Gear-For-Repair-HO-Scale/273713909145?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued.
The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s.
Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation. I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first
produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951.
While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced
non the less.
Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam.
Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0.
John Hagen
?
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers
could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Jeff
jppellas@...
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Group,
? ?? Here is a link to the other eBay auction that is entitled "Three Varney Engines." Too bad there weren't more pictures but the L1 seems to have the same side rods as the chassis I previously mentioned.?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-HO-Varney-Steam-Engines-/323700335935?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
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From: Jeff Pellas via Groups.Io <jppellas@...>
To: YardbirdTrains < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
John,
? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance, it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brass-Frame-Locomotive-And-Running-Gear-For-Repair-HO-Scale/273713909145?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
To: YardbirdTrains < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued.
The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s.
Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation. I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951.
While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced non the less.
Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam.
Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0.
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Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this? Jeff
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? ?? Thanks for the info but I never said it was a production Varney. It appears to be a kit bash that utilized a Varney chassis to make something else. My question was whether or not there was a kitbashing article about doing this or if, possibly, there was a conversion kit such as the John English kit that turned a Mantua 2-8-0 into a PRR 2-8-0? The one auction that had a complete loco has expired so I'll have to do a little digging to find those images but here is a link to a current auction. At first glance, it appears to be a Penn Line L1 chassis but, upon further examination, you can see that it is something else. It is a guess but it probably predates Penn Line because it looks really old and why would you kit bash an L1 when you could buy one from Penn Line?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brass-Frame-Locomotive-And-Running-Gear-For-Repair-HO-Scale/273713909145?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Jeff
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From: John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...>
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Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued.
The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s.
Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation. I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951.
While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced non the less.
Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam.
Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0.
John Hagen
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Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers could copy or that there was a conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this? Jeff
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No. That was originally a Bowser as it remained until production was discontinued. The only Varney 2-8-2’s were the decidedly not Pennsy “Economy” and “Super” Mikado’s that began around 1938 and ran into the 1950’s. Per Varney’s 1938 set of steam loco instructions (hoseeker.net), the original rigid frame Mikado’s were based of freelance design and based on an extended Consolidation. I do not know when the “Super” Mikado’s were first produced but per hoseeker.net there was one in 1951. While there are many differences between the original version that became the “Economy” and the “Super” versions that included sprung drivers among it’s numerous up-grades, they were still freelanced. Nice looking but freelanced non the less. Bowser and Penn Line both had several Pennsy steam locos and MDC/Roundhouse had a Pennsy Atlantic and Consolidation. Overall Bowser eventually led the way in Pennsy steam. Bowser did produce some former Varney steamers but that was limited to their “Lil Joe” B&O 0-4-0T, the “old Lady” Consolidation and the “Casey Jones” 4-6-0. John Hagen ?
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Jeff
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Is it really a Varney?
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Varney PRR L1
Group: I have recently come across, in two different eBay auctions, a Varney version of the PRR L1 mikado. Finding two tells me that this must have been either a documented kit bash that appeared in a publication that modelers could copy or that there was a
conversion kit made by someone. Looking at the auction pictures, I can see that neither of the examples utilized Penn Line parts. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Jeff
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