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Hi All,

Steve here. Long time amateur and small time semi-pro musician. I play guitars, keys and some winds with varying success, and I also sometimes sing.

I am trying to put together a set of backing tracks for a for a portable "busking" setup. The flexibility and power to weight ratio of the QY70 seems perfect for the job.

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I am looking for drums and bass only. This is important to give me the maximum scope for improvising over the top, whilst still giving me recognisable support of structure, rhythm and key.

It is important to me that, in performance, I need to do as little as possible in order to setup and and kick off each song. Selecting a song number is mandatory, adjusting tempo or key is tolerable where necessary. Any more steps than these will swiftly become a burden.

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In terms of developing the songs themselves, I am still interested in maximum efficiency/minimum steps to achieve my goal, although I can handle some one time pain if necessary for best result. Therefore, it would suit me if I could make use of the Chord Template functionality, in the first instance and perhaps permanently. And it comes so close to satisfying my needs. The issue is the I cant mute or otherwise silence tracks C1-C4 (21-24) from song playback. It certainly looks as though it should, but those chords etc just persist. Am I missing or misunderstanding something here? If I absolutely need to insert a Sysex message, can somebody please point me towards some hand holding assistance that may have been previously given (anywhere).

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Any help is welcome. I'm over here in Australia, so time differences can delay responses. Patience is a virtue (I tell myself).

As far as hardware goes: perhaps ?a Bluetooth midi dongle ( sounds Australian right?) with a smartphone and a BlueBoard wireless foot switch. ?

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Thanks Jay.

I am trying to find an alternative to my smartphone, which carries an extensive list of original mp3 backing tracks.

I'll keep the Novation Zero XL (or is it SL?) template in mind. I'm looking for a simple solution within the qy70 that appears to be at hand but remains elusive.

I believe that a SysEx message (or is it a CC?) embedded in the song will suit my purposes, but I wouldnt know where to start. I would prefer a solution within the UI of the qy70, if you get my drift.

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It is possible that I came to the group a little early. I am still searching and discovering. But, every assistance is appreciated.

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It appears that my use of chord templates is just a coincidence. It seems that when preset Styles are used in Song mode, tracks C1-C4 (21-24) are unmutable in song play, although they can be muted in pattern play. Could somebody authoritatively confirm that this is the case for a qy70? Am I missing some step to make a pattern track change persist into song play?

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I appreciate that I might be able to achieve my? objective using a (series of?) SysEx message at the head of the song. Could somebody point me towards a step by step description of how to do this.

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Another potential strategy is to copy the styles I wish to use to user styles and mute or otherwise silence the tracks I dont want. This is a clunky solution which I may pursue as a last resort.

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I have read the User Manual cover to twice - once skimmed, once studied. I cant claim it has all stuck. I have skimmed through the archives, and studied those threads which seemed remotely relevant - I cant say absolutely all of that has stuck either, but hopefully I know my way around.

"Part 4 ARDUINO MIDI CC TO SYSEX YAMAHA QY70 CONTROLLER KEYBOARD AXIOM PRO 61 EVENT PROCESSOR"

your best option is probably to get a novation remoteSL mk1 and use Eric's midi template set, rather than spending months with a lesser DIY solution. then copy the factory phrases to user Styles. you could modify and make your own cutdown edits of the novation templates to suit your purposes.

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these templates cover both eventualities of sysex and midiCC for a lot of things, and you'll be able to observe the differences in use.

- broadly, sysex is 'set' (starting values), and midiCC is 'modify' (and resets to original values) -

the RemoteSL can be either the 'Zero' controller-only box, or the keyboard versions, 25SL, 37SL, 61SL, and has USB or DIN midi. can be found nice'n'cheap. 25SL isn't a bad option, if you want the joystick and XY pad, and still quite small and portable - should fit inside a rack box. and of course, there's the very good Remote editor software, you don't have to doing much/any programming on the unit. (plus, you can use it for any midi device)

Thanks man. I'm starting to appreciate the benefits of a controller.

Perhaps a little more about my busking setup might help understanding.

My busking setup is portable, meaning everything is a one lift carry. I've got to consider the wisdom of carrying and maintaining another box for the sake of muting a couple of tracks.

I would not "Perform" as such with a controller, it would simply be a track muter to me. My performance is on guitar and I am dedicated to playing it between start and stop of any sequencer. Anything else is an unwanted distraction.?

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If I cant get the QY to do what I want, I have access to a DAW, and have created hundreds of .mid 's. Some sort of midi (and/or mp3) player would be required - they seem to be about. I am not happy about using a phone regularly on the street.

So I have options, but they dont match the convenience or the flexibility of the QY. Wish me luck.

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Some people may ask me how I come to be using the qy70 at this point in history.

Well I owned a qy20 since they were first released, and made great use of it for a long time.?

I once devoted the whole machine to one composition (memory constraints) and it worked fine. Gee I wonder what happened to that?

Anyway, as you can see, I was starting to run into limitations, so started to look into the tasty successors to the '20 and settled on the qy70.

I couldnt get one in Australia, so I found an agent in Japan who spoke English and knew musical electronic devices. Very smooth business.

I think I originally got Japanese manuals, but the English translations I found to be almost as inpenetrable.

Despite my advantage of being quite skilled at the qy20 interface, I was daunted by the '70 UI.?

So gradually I put the '70 down, and there she stayed for a long time.

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Now, in building my busking kit, I'd like to add some decent beats allied with some tasteful bass accompaniement.

Seems like the perfect job for the qy70? Right? Except, I'd forgotten about the immutability problem which I'd encountered way back before.

Oh well, I'll bang my head on a few proposed solutions (SysEx track volume message, or copying styles (patterns?) to User) before considering abandoning the old QY again, and moving onto some other form of accompaniment technology.

Hi,

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Have you read the QY70 FAQ file?

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Muting is discussed on pages 14 and 15.

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There are definitely other ways to accomplish it I believe, I honestly can’t remember how I did it on the Novation SL MKII templates, but I’m pretty sure I followed the advice of the FAQ above.

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Cheers,

Eric

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Yes I have read it Eric. But at that time I didnt realise its relevance. I'll now go back and re-read it and see if I can apply it.

Sounds cool… Let me/us know if it’s resolves your issue.

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Cheers,

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ok. still recommend getting hold of Eric's set of templates, and then open them up in the Novation RemoteSL Editor, and have a look at how Mute/Solo is dealt with - i can't remember if it's sysex or midiCC ... probably a sysex message, so you'd need something that sends sysex - in which case, the project you showed with the Arduino would be worth doing, if it's just a mute/solo box, but you'd have to study that video a bit, and how to code it - didn't look too difficult - and then you could make a? little DIY box. honestly if you're worried about a phone getting stolen, wouldn't you also worry about a QY70? anyway, those templates are the key to knowing what you can and can't access remotely. if you master the arduino thing, you might be able to do some cool things like edit effects sends, etc.

alternatively, you could just send midiCC 7/volume for each midi channel, and then you'd be able to look at lots more midi controller boxes.

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A quick look over at the FAQ (page 14-15) it seems like this would mute/unmute (while still preserving the volume level of muted tracks (when unmuted):

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I changed the text of the FAQ below to be specific to your C1 thru C4 question:

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So, In ANY song track, go to the "Edit" screen and the to the "Insert" screen. Change the "Note" parameter to "XG Exc Multi", then change "ElRsrv" to "RcvCh.". The first number is the Part and the second is the receive channel. Set the first number to "21" for C1 and increment the second number up until it says "OFF" (i think the value is 127). Of course you want to set the Measure:Beat:Clock to where you want the mute to occur.

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Therefore, To MUTE C1 on measure 2, it should look like this:
M002 XG Exc Multi ?

(Mutes Pattern part C1)

Conversely, To UNMUTE C1 back on in measure 3, just set Part 21 to listen to channel 21 again:
M003 XG Exc Multi
1:000xRcvCh. 21 21

(Unmutes Pattern part C1)

Be careful about setting the receive channel to match up with the Part number when you want to unmute it.

Note: You would only need to change the 21 in the above to 22, 23, or 24 to mute/unmute C2, C3, or C4 respectively.

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I hope that helps. ?

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Slightly off-topic: ?I also made a rudimentary wireless MIDI controller using an arduino …I tried to make a wireless drumstick (of sorts) using an accelerometer board.. but I neglected to get one with a magnometer so it kept going eventually into gimbal lock, LOL….PLUS the wireless latentcy/delay was too high to make it useful. ? ?Anyway if you have any basic arduino questions regarding MIDI I might be able to provide some insight (but its been a while). ?BTW, Wireless midi on arduino will very likely have too much latency for your needs so wired is probably best way to go…although this might be better under Bluetooth 5.x and MIDI 2.0 ?

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Cheers,

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Gee Eric, I'm so grateful for that. I'm off to run it through the QY. Back later.

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Yeah, interesting as it is, I wont be doing the Arduino project.?

I have enough rabbit holes and other distractions in my life.

Thanks Eric. QY muting tracks 21-24 just fine, according to your instructions above.

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I have the four mutes at the head of the song, and I havent found a need for an unmute so far.?