Following this thread with interest.
As for me, I have a QY70, QY100, and QY300 that could benefit from a backlight. I'd be up for group buy.
It would be nice to come up with some kind of universal, repeatable guide to backlighting old gear.
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 07:03 AM, prea wrote: [...]
depending on the transformer, there
s'always some buzz in the audio part, which is not an option.
[...] I was re-reading this thread and I wanted to address the above point a little bit. While it is true that there generally is a?transformer/inductor?buzzing (though quite minimal with the right components as Pria mentioned) the buzzing is actually NOT present in the audio stream (provided the wiring, inverter placement, and power tapping is done correctly). ? In my experience, even with those large blocky EL Panel inverters you see on ebay (not a good choice as they are quite loud and really hard to fit inside the device) the audio stream itself has no buzzing. --
¡°The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Re: Features where QY70 > QY100?
Wow Eric! Nice answer. Didn¡¯t know about the extra copper.
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On Apr 1, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Eric <erichemingway@...> wrote:
? Going by memory here, so caveat emptor:
The groove templates are cool but more or les the same thing as quantisizing on the fly and applying it to more than one track... but definitely fun for the creative process when looking for inspiration or just for happy accidents. The QY100 has slightly newer XG samples that are supposedly slightly better than the QY70. ?Many of the QY70 presets were replaced by different presets for the QY100, not necessarily better, just different. ? Same is true for demo songs.
QY100 has the whole guitar amp/mic simulator thing going on. ? This is actually pretty cool if you plug in a electric guitar and throw on a pattern to play along with...makes a nice practice setup... much more creative process than a metronome. ? QY100 has the smartmedia card for backing up data (but not guitar/mic audio as it does not record that).
Internally there is an extra copper magnetic shielding layer in the QY100 which should reduce interference, but that was never an issue on the QY70, so maybe it helps with the smartmedia card reader (?)
BTW, leaving a smartmedia card in the slot supposedly will deplete the battery ever so slightly, this is mentioned in the manual... not sure if this refers to only when it is on.
Screens are identical with longer leads on the QY100 version. ?No built-in backlit on either ?though mod ideas abound (search forum for more info on those).
Internally, both have user-replaceable (non-soldered) backup batteries (both use standard CR2032 coin cell).
QY100 has segmented battery compartments, and internally the battery leads are connected via a JST plug which allows the battery compartment (bottom half of the unit) to be (more easily) unplugged/separated during mods. ?QY70¡¯s battery leads are soldered internally.
As I recall the factory reset button combos are different.
The QY100 keybed is wider with slightly larger keys with slightly more spacing between them.
The QY70 and QY100 use different PC/Mac Filer software. ?I never tried to test inter-compatibility though.
Both run very well on rechargeable eneloops (LSD) NIMH batteries. ?I think alkalines net about two hours, but a good set of eneloops *seem* to last longer than that for me (though I never put this to a rigorous timed test). ??
The QY100 is larger, so some feature require a tad more reach. ?
There may be other differences, but that is all that is coming to mind right now.
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
On Apr 1, 2021, at 11:50 AM, QYiz <lists+groups-io@...> wrote:
?So I've had a little over 24 hours with my new (old) QY100, and for the most part it's everything I'd hoped it would be. However, I didn't realize that it doesn't have the QY70's ¡ªinstead it uses per-track swing.? The QY100 also seems to be missing some preset styles from the QY70 (Joe Orgren's QY70 FAQ mentioned , which isn't in the QY100's ). From the and the , I'd assumed the QY100's features were a superset of the QY70.? But it seems like the reality is a little more complicated.? So I'm curious:
- Does anyone know of other QY70 features that didn't make it to the QY100?
- QY70 owners: How useful is the QY70's groove quantization feature and its groove templates?
-- ¡°The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Re: Features where QY70 > QY100?
Great, informative compare/contrast of QY70 and QY100!
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On Apr 1, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Eric <erichemingway@...> wrote:
? Going by memory here, so caveat emptor:
The groove templates are cool but more or les the same thing as quantisizing on the fly and applying it to more than one track... but definitely fun for the creative process when looking for inspiration or just for happy accidents. The QY100 has slightly newer XG samples that are supposedly slightly better than the QY70. ?Many of the QY70 presets were replaced by different presets for the QY100, not necessarily better, just different. ? Same is true for demo songs.
QY100 has the whole guitar amp/mic simulator thing going on. ? This is actually pretty cool if you plug in a electric guitar and throw on a pattern to play along with...makes a nice practice setup... much more creative process than a metronome. ? QY100 has the smartmedia card for backing up data (but not guitar/mic audio as it does not record that).
Internally there is an extra copper magnetic shielding layer in the QY100 which should reduce interference, but that was never an issue on the QY70, so maybe it helps with the smartmedia card reader (?)
BTW, leaving a smartmedia card in the slot supposedly will deplete the battery ever so slightly, this is mentioned in the manual... not sure if this refers to only when it is on.
Screens are identical with longer leads on the QY100 version. ?No built-in backlit on either ?though mod ideas abound (search forum for more info on those).
Internally, both have user-replaceable (non-soldered) backup batteries (both use standard CR2032 coin cell).
QY100 has segmented battery compartments, and internally the battery leads are connected via a JST plug which allows the battery compartment (bottom half of the unit) to be (more easily) unplugged/separated during mods. ?QY70¡¯s battery leads are soldered internally.
As I recall the factory reset button combos are different.
The QY100 keybed is wider with slightly larger keys with slightly more spacing between them.
The QY70 and QY100 use different PC/Mac Filer software. ?I never tried to test inter-compatibility though.
Both run very well on rechargeable eneloops (LSD) NIMH batteries. ?I think alkalines net about two hours, but a good set of eneloops *seem* to last longer than that for me (though I never put this to a rigorous timed test). ??
The QY100 is larger, so some feature require a tad more reach. ?
There may be other differences, but that is all that is coming to mind right now.
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
On Apr 1, 2021, at 11:50 AM, QYiz <lists+groups-io@...> wrote:
?So I've had a little over 24 hours with my new (old) QY100, and for the most part it's everything I'd hoped it would be. However, I didn't realize that it doesn't have the QY70's ¡ªinstead it uses per-track swing.? The QY100 also seems to be missing some preset styles from the QY70 (Joe Orgren's QY70 FAQ mentioned , which isn't in the QY100's ). From the and the , I'd assumed the QY100's features were a superset of the QY70.? But it seems like the reality is a little more complicated.? So I'm curious:
- Does anyone know of other QY70 features that didn't make it to the QY100?
- QY70 owners: How useful is the QY70's groove quantization feature and its groove templates?
-- ¡°The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Re: Features where QY70 > QY100?
Going by memory here, so caveat emptor:
?
The groove templates are cool but more or les the same thing as quantisizing on the fly and applying it to more than one track... but definitely fun for the creative process when looking for inspiration or just for happy accidents. The QY100 has slightly newer XG samples that are supposedly slightly better than the QY70. ?Many of the QY70 presets were replaced by different presets for the QY100, not necessarily better, just different. ? Same is true for demo songs.
?
QY100 has the whole guitar amp/mic simulator thing going on. ? This is actually pretty cool if you plug in a electric guitar and throw on a pattern to play along with...makes a nice practice setup... much more creative process than a metronome.
?
QY100 has the smartmedia card for backing up data (but not guitar/mic audio as it does not record that).
?
Internally there is an extra copper magnetic shielding layer in the QY100 which should reduce interference, but that was never an issue on the QY70, so maybe it helps with the smartmedia card reader (?)
?
BTW, leaving a smartmedia card in the slot supposedly will deplete the battery ever so slightly, this is mentioned in the manual... not sure if this refers to only when it is on.
?
Screens are identical with longer leads on the QY100 version. ?No built-in backlit on either ?though mod ideas abound (search forum for more info on those).
?
Internally, both have user-replaceable (non-soldered) backup batteries (both use standard CR2032 coin cell).
?
QY100 has segmented battery compartments, and internally the battery leads are connected via a JST plug which allows the battery compartment (bottom half of the unit) to be (more easily) unplugged/separated during mods. ?QY70¡¯s battery leads are soldered internally.
?
As I recall the factory reset button combos are different.
?
The QY100 keybed is wider with slightly larger keys with slightly more spacing between them.
?
The QY70 and QY100 use different PC/Mac Filer software. ?I never tried to test inter-compatibility though.
?
Both run very well on rechargeable eneloops (LSD) NIMH batteries. ?I think alkalines net about two hours, but a good set of eneloops *seem* to last longer than that for me (though I never put this to a rigorous timed test). ??
?
The QY100 is larger, so some features/buttons/keys require a tad more reach. ?
?
There may be other differences, but that is all that is coming to mind right now.
?
?
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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On Apr 1, 2021, at 11:50 AM, QYiz <lists+groups-io@...> wrote:
So I've had a little over 24 hours with my new (old) QY100, and for the most part it's everything I'd hoped it would be. However, I didn't realize that it doesn't have the QY70's ¡ªinstead it uses per-track swing.? The QY100 also seems to be missing some preset styles from the QY70 (Joe Orgren's QY70 FAQ mentioned , which isn't in the QY100's ). From the and the , I'd assumed the QY100's features were a superset of the QY70.? But it seems like the reality is a little more complicated.? So I'm curious:
- Does anyone know of other QY70 features that didn't make it to the QY100?
- QY70 owners: How useful is the QY70's groove quantization feature and its groove templates?
--
¡°The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Features where QY70 > QY100?
So I've had a little over 24 hours with my new (old) QY100, and for the most part it's everything I'd hoped it would be. However, I didn't realize that it doesn't have the QY70's ¡ªinstead it uses per-track swing.? The QY100 also seems to be missing some preset styles from the QY70 (Joe Orgren's QY70 FAQ mentioned , which isn't in the QY100's ). From the and the , I'd assumed the QY100's features were a superset of the QY70.? But it seems like the reality is a little more complicated.? So I'm curious:
- Does anyone know of other QY70 features that didn't make it to the QY100?
- QY70 owners: How useful is the QY70's groove quantization feature and its groove templates?
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is that compatible?
This.
The main problem, to me, is that of the compatibility!
Someone has to buy, dismantle a precious QY and test... this will take time and money, time can be the worst problem, in my case.
and is it any better than your cheap frontlight solution?
Definitely! A backlit LCD or an OLED woud be far better for sure!
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that expensive one is 13weeks for factory :-) and it is touch sensitive, so probably not suitable.
the less expensive one, does it do same dot pitch etc.? (more research...)
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yes, the crystalfontz one is what i saw last night. is that compatible? what about a group buy? would mean putting the word out for a little while.
-providing it works of course. and is it any better than your cheap frontlight solution?
think it's worth looking around though. what about aliexpress, direct? not seen anything there yet though.
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On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:04 AM, prea <prea@...> wrote:
to save money will ask wifey whether fancies doing the hot girl... 
In my case, I¡¯ll better keep my qy screen dark ?
40 USD is not that bad for us in the new world.
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Holly molly, at that price you can hire a hot girl to hold a flashlight into the QY
Well, this will be the beginning of the QY Gear Porn section of the forum!
Is better? $39.38, plus shipping: I fear shipping across the pond will double the price: to save money will ask wifey whether fancies doing the hot girl...
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Holly molly, at that price you can hire a hot girl to hold a flashlight into the QY (at least in some countries) -Not suggesting you do it, but if you do, please post pictures of the MOD ;)
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On Apr 1, 2021, at 2:19 AM, prea <prea@...> wrote:
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That was worth a try... never give up looking for an LCD replacement!
To sum up:
- Original LCD is a DMF50202N (once upon a time existed the DMF50202NY-LY, the LED backlit equivalent...)
DMF50202N specifications
- Display Type LCD - Monochrome
- Display Mode Reflective
- Backlight Without Backlight
- Size. 95.0mm W x 58.0mm H x 8.7mm D
- Dot Size. 0.40mm W x 0.56mm H
- Viewing Area 62.00mm L x 44.00mm W
- Dot Pixels 128 x 64
- Dot Pitch 0.60mm x 0.44mm
- Interface Serial
LCD controller CPU is a T6963C (XL166A00) and this is the crucial bit.
The mouser search engine pulled out this one, slightly bigger (can fit, I'm worried for the 11 mm thickness)
But look at the price... 135 €!!!
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That was worth a try... never give up looking for an LCD replacement!
To sum up:
- Original LCD is a DMF50202N (once upon a time existed the DMF50202NY-LY, the LED backlit equivalent...)
DMF50202N specifications
- Display Type LCD - Monochrome
- Display Mode Reflective
- Backlight Without Backlight
- Size. 95.0mm W x 58.0mm H x 8.7mm D
- Dot Size. 0.40mm W x 0.56mm H
- Viewing Area 62.00mm L x 44.00mm W
- Dot Pixels 128 x 64
- Dot Pitch 0.60mm x 0.44mm
- Interface Serial
LCD controller CPU is a T6963C (XL166A00) and this is the crucial bit.
The mouser search engine pulled out this one, slightly bigger (can fit, I'm worried for the 11 mm thickness)
But look at the price... 135 €!!!
Edit: the data sheet says that this is T6963C compatible... but it costs like buying another QY!!
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oh no didn't at all, only here. here's the link to the item STYLE, which is quite nice. issue would be an equivalent size, and compatibility.
wonder if Mouser would have any info...
https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Displaytech/64128K-COG-FA-BW?qs=zkctU4NzKYfIe1teLpQmcw%3D%3D&mgh=1&vip=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvJulqMTc7wIVwRwGAB0D3ARMEAQYASABEgKKifD_BwE
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Mouser search page:
(for 'research' :o) )
because i saw this gorgeous thing: (oh bl**dy hell, it posts an image of the whole page haha)
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See #127 above: the problem seems not being the display panel in itself (btw, would love an OLED on my QY100!) but the display control system.
As Eric wrote, I also did some (sloppy) research, and always ended up to that "not completely sure" wall...
Anyway, joining effort could be an idea, so, here's some questions, I can open up my 100 to give some answers this weekend...
- the LCD assembly (going from memory here) is attached to the main board via a small (9 wires?) flat cable. This would be the interface towards a new (OLED?) screen.
- which kind of controller/protocol/signalling happens on that ribbon connector?
PS: as many others here I also have at hand the data sheets for the LCD assy (see at thread top). Can post/store here if someone asks for.
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yes, i have no idea honestly, nor competence in the matter. just wondering if there's a modern display on the market that would do it as a direct replacement.
had a quick look but that's the only thing that i saw. prea came up with a great cheap solution, but there are some really nice OLED displays in things these days.
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:31 PM, prea wrote:
That's interesting... but is it pin-compatible?
On 30/03/21 18:23, QYedit via groups.io wrote:
quick search for OLED and 93 x 70 x 9.1 mm returns (first result) :
55eu inc VAT (ouch not unless certified working/right fit)
does nobody make a 128x64 in the right size as a modern low wattage
replacement?
?It doesn't look like it; the?has 8 pins, and the??uses 20.
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Re: Welcome to the new home of the Yamaha QY70 / QY100 user group! (mbox archives)
Does anyone still have a copy of these old QY forums' mbox archives that BillGrooves mirrored last year?? The URLs he posted back then don't work anymore.
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On 16/02/20 21:16, BillGrooves? wrote:
I uploaded the contents of the mbox files on a free host:
1999 to 2003:?
2003 to 2013:?
2013 to 2019:?
?
2020
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That's interesting... but is it pin-compatible?
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On 30/03/21 18:23, QYedit via groups.io wrote: quick search for OLED and 93 x 70 x 9.1 mm returns (first result) :
55eu inc VAT (ouch not unless certified working/right fit)
does nobody make a 128x64 in the right size as a modern low wattage
replacement?
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