Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
gonna have to dig it out and check eh
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
Internally, the qy 70/100 route the channels to its synth, and internally it might have more than 16 channels, but it will never output via Midi DIN more than 16 channels (it’s a technical specification of midi). it’s just not possible.
the qy allows you to assign the track channel to an output channel, and you’ll see only 16, per output. No midi merge happens internally
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On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:45 AM, QYedit via groups.io <domgoold@...> wrote:
?ah yeah... so in that case, just send the output to a DAW, and see what you get. i've always been under the impression that there's a midimerge going on with eg: pattern track and song track. maybe i have to rethink that, given that drum parts must be going out on channel10 (haven't used my QY100 for quite a while, have been using RM1x).
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
ah yeah... so in that case, just send the output to a DAW, and see what you get. i've always been under the impression that there's a midimerge going on with eg: pattern track and song track. maybe i have to rethink that, given that drum parts must be going out on channel10 (haven't used my QY100 for quite a while, have been using RM1x).
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
The issue is that the P2k has 2 midi ins (16 ch each) and the QY70/100 have only one out, so you won’t be able to send more that 16 ch out.
the qy700, with its 2 outs, allow 32 ch of outboard equipment, and yes, the p2k will allow 32 ch. is the 2 midi outs.
I used to sequence 21 synths with the? qy700, so no biggies there.
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On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:10 AM, QYedit via groups.io <domgoold@...> wrote:
?:-) LOL i wanna test this, man.. like, get a Proteus 2000 and see what happens. (P2K can do 32 midi ch)
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
:-) LOL i wanna test this, man.. like, get a Proteus 2000 and see what happens. (P2K can do 32 midi ch)
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
Yup, it’s 24 parts (with 24 channels actually) BUT most other pieces of MIDI equipment only recognize 16 channels, so that is why the QY70/100’s have ability to swap the 8 pattern tracks into either channels 1-8 or 9-16, but the QY itself actually works INTERNALLY with 24 unique channels (I mean if it didn’t then you couldn’t actually play a song on the QY that used all w4 (8+16) tracks.
It gets even crazier with the QY700 and its 64 MIDI tracks/channels (16 pattern tracks/channels plus 48 song tracks/channels), LOL! ? Although in fairness the QY700 has that enormous screen and a great User Interface so it makes routing a bit easier, though it’s still pretty daunting when you’re trying to output thru two midi ports to external equipment that only recognizes 16 channels.?
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
lol *SIX* sections. ...
ok here's my take on it:
you have Pattern mode, and Song mode.
64 user patterns, called Styles, each of which has 6 sections,
plus a factory library of 128 pre-programmed 'styles'.
and 20 user-programmable Songs,
which are 16 tracks/parts, plus an accompaniment 'track'/part, where you chain patterns/styles.
you can, if you want, make a 'Song', and only use the pattern chain part, inserting 'sections' of
patterns, and the chord transposition feature.
but you also have linear Song tracks, that play alongside the pattern part.
a pattern/style has 8 tracks, loops in playback, and the sounds and mix are assigned via the mixer.
these tracks can be assigned to parts 1-8 or 9-16 (mapped to midi channels 1-16) and correspond
to parts:tracks/midi channels 1-16 in the Song mode, where sounds and mix are also assigned via
a mixer page.
and this is the slightly problematic bit - though it needn't be: pattern and song share tracks. the stuff
playing on the 1-8/9-16-assigned Pattern tracks are the same mixer tracks assigned in the Song mode.
so say you have a pattern section, just looping all the way through in song mode, you could just use the
corresponding song tracks to record midiCC changes. or overdub etc.
and then use the other 8 Song tracks for whatever you want.
or you can 'unpack' a (pattern) onto song tracks, with 'Get/Put Phrase' Job functions. eg: this would allow you
to introduce variations - also takes up more memory, since it isn't just repeating the data from the pattern.
you can also do this the other way round, jamming something into a Song track/part, and then grabbing a bit of
it, and copying it over into a Pattern track. this can be a more natural way of getting your performance take.
note that: every pattern/Style track recorded becomes a 'Phrase', that can be called up in any pattern 'Section',
on any 'Track' - which you can also do with the factory Styles. eg: so if you can't be bothered to record a drum
part, you can re-use bits of a factory Style in your new pattern/Style. (hence the terms Get/Put 'Phrase')
generally, starting with Pattern mode is better for jamming ideas and getting the parts of your song together.
alternatively, you could ignore Pattern mode, and play your stuff directly into Song mode tracks. or combine
the two. at simplest level, pattern sections looping on their 'pattern chain' part, with song tracks providing the
linear parts you want to add over the patterns.
one thing worth noting is that a Style is its own microcosm with its own mix/effects settings; when you go into
Song mode, the Song is 'boss', and its mixer/effect settings override the Style (at least i think? ...can you change
Voice assignments here, for the pattern playing? don't think so ...)
for example, i believe this because if you do something obscure like setting a channel midi out to 'off', you have to
input a sysex message in the Song mode, and call that up before getting your Pattern mode to play in the same way,
eg: excluding the midi output for that part. ( switching midi out per track is quite painful; wish they'd included it as a
standard function, like on the RM1x )
you can probably confirm all this using an external 16 part sound module, ignoring the QY70/100 audio output.
Eric refers to this as a 24 'midi channel' setup - i think it's 24 'tracks' (8+16), applied to 16 midi channels. but you'll
always have one side (1-8/9-16) of the Song setup sharing the voice channels with the Pattern mode.
i've never used Phrases much, but i think they could be really useful if you work a method like that - eventually, maybe:
using pattern first, and then expanding into a song is probably the easiest/fastest way to go.
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
Hi,
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Welcome to the group!
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I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to achieve but a?song can only play one pattern section at a time. ?However?each pattern not only has 7 sections (Intro, Main A/B, Fill A/B, Ending) but also each of those sections has 8 tracks (each with their own instrument). ?So that still means that your single pattern’s “Intro” section could have 8 instruments… and of course a drumkit is actually only considered one instrument (even though it has many different sounds for all the pieces of the drumkit).
So what you would probably want to do on a QY70/100 is to just play all your drum sounds in the DR1 track in a pattern’s section.
?If you really wanted to, you could still play just the kick sound on the DR1 track and a Hi-Hat (or what not) on the DR2 track and a third drum sound on the PC (percussion) track and a fourth drum sound on the BS (Bass) track and a 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th drum sound on the C, C2, C3, C4 tracks. ?
Note: Although the tracks on a pattern are labeled as drum2, drum2, percussion, bass, etc, they can ALL be assigned to whatever instrument you want them to be… so each pattern’s section can be 8 tracks of drums if so desired. ?
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I am not sure why Yamaha decided to give the pattern tracks specific names (instead of numbers like the song tracks) but they act the same as the song tracks insofar as any one of them can be assigned to any instrument (or to the same instrument if desired).
I have to admit I’m a little unsure as to why you want to split up the drums into individual tracks when you can play them all on one track, but everybody has their specific use cases… The main point is that you can achieve what you want but I think you need to look at it from a different direction since a song can only play a single section of a single pattern (but all 8 tracks of that pattern’s section) at a time. ?Even with just a single drum track drum track you can play as many different drum sounds as you want on that one track… You’re really only limited by the polyphony of the QY which is 32 (or 64… I can’t remember which right now).
One last note: If you’re going to assign drums to all of the tracks of a pattern then you probably want to ensure that the Chord Type is set to ‘bypass” for each of those tracks.
? ?(Accessed by the following buttons when your on the 1st Pattern Screen: Menu->Utility->Menu->Chord Phrase Table).
The reason is because if you decide to use the Chord progression feature in the 1st ?song screen then you don’t want the drums to be transposed or harmonized based upon the Chord progression.
Of course, if you are going to use ALL the tracks in a pattern as drums then you probably would not want to use the Chord progression feature at all, in which case you don’t need to worry about setting the Chord Type for each pattern track.
The QY70/100 manual is not too great as a reference, but it is actually really good in so far as it is a great step-by-step tutorial that walks you through most of the features of the machines. ? It kind of looks daunting initially but it goes by really really fast and it helps in getting your head wrapped around how all the patterns, tracks, and sections work.
I hope this helps,
Eric
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New QY100 Owner, Super Excited
Hi all, thanks for the permission to enter the group.??
First off, a little about me!? Ive been playing/producing music professionally for 15+ years, i am an acoustical consultant, and i have a serious love for old school gear like this.? These pieces in particular hold a place in my heart for a few reasons.? First because the moment i saw the QY in the Bjork Arte Island?documentary i was hooked on the idea of writing music surrounded by the outdoor elements, and secondly, because i often find writing on laptops quite distracting.? These allow me to write without distraction, and produce later.??
ANYWAY.? I briefly owned a QY70 a few years ago and loved the idea of it, but it never fit in the way i wanted it to, and i now realize it was my fault in the way i approached it.??
I just picked up the QY100 and im already?in?love with the hardware. Im sure ill have several questions along the way, but only some higher level thinking stuff for now.? Getting used to the two modes of writing takes a minute...but as i think of it now, it kinda reminds me of Ableton Live.? The pattern mode being the "Session View" and the Song mode being the "Arrangement" View.? This cleared a lot up for me, but im still?trying to wrap my brain around how exactly to organize the patterns, sections, etc in my brain for later access.? Like, each pattern has 7 sections...that cant be accessed without that pattern assigned to a track.? So, i can make a few different patterns using the different sections, but id likely?keep them all one instrument...like a kick drum, but 7 different sections.??
So, tell me if my workflow makes sense.??
Let's say i have a pattern with 1 drum track (kick drum).? I can then make 6 sections of that kick drum, all with the same audio FX.? Then, i arrange that pattern how i want it in the song mode.??
Next, i do the same thing with some hi hats.? I can add entirely new FX, then arrange this pattern (and its sections) with the kick drum in the song mode.
Eventually, as i fill up tracks, i can mix down into a 3 track, keeping the original two for editing later if needed, EQ, Reverb, ETC.??
Am i on the right track?
Thanks so much, and looking forward to chatting?more. -Agent 14 -- ---------- classic electronic music nerd
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Cool! ?Always glad to help!
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On Oct 14, 2021, at 6:41 AM, prea <prea@...> wrote:
? Thank you Eric!|
Since is a question that apperas often, and because you kindly covered all the "recent" QYs, I took the liberty to repost your instructions on the MeWe QY700 group.
Thanks a bunch again!
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Thank you Eric!|
Since is a question that apperas often, and because you kindly covered all the "recent" QYs, I took the liberty to repost your instructions on the MeWe QY700 group.
Thanks a bunch again!
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Thanks, but in all honesty, I have to admit I did have to power up both devices to figure out the exact button order. ??Lol! ??
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On Oct 10, 2021, at 6:50 PM, kaltar <kaltar@...> wrote:
? Wow! Eric, you remember everything! and reply right away. This forum is in the right hands! On Oct 10, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Eric <erichemingway@...> wrote:
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I decided to answer your question on all three QY devices just so you have an answer as soon as possible:
ON QY70 and QY100: ? 1) Press Menu->F4 (Utility) 2) Press Menu->F2 (MIDI) 3) Move cursor to?‘ECHO BACK’?and turn it off (using +/- buttons) 4) Press Exit THEN 1) Press Menu->F4 (Fingered Zone 2) Move cursor to MIDI Channels and change to ALL (using +/- buttons)?
ON QY700: 1) Press Utility->F2 (MIDI Tab) 2)?Move cursor to both of the TWO ‘‘ECHO BACK’ fields and turn them off?(using +/- buttons). THEN 1) Press SONG->F3 (Out Ch) and setup each of your QY tracks to go to go to the desired track on ?MIDI A or MIDI B ?(you can also gave then]m go to the internal Tone Generator (TG) not as you desire. ?BTW, you can route multiple QY700 tracks to the same channel if you want.
NOTE: On all devices, When changing the ECHO BACK field, ?if turning them OFF does not solve the issue then change them to THRU… It’s been a while so I can’t remember which of the two settings will solve the issue… But I know when ‘ECHO BACK’ is set to RecMonitor it always only receives on the selected track, so it’s definitely not that one, lol.
Cheers, Eric
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On Oct 10, 2021, at 5:57 PM, titlemusic87@... wrote:
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Is there a way to use the QY-700 as an external multitimbral instrument with midi coming from a DAW. I have setup the pattern mode with 16 different sounds, some go to the midi out. Is there a way to send multiple midi sequences on different midi channels at the same time. Now it only receives on the track which is selected
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Wow! Eric, you remember everything! and reply right away. This forum is in the right hands!
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On Oct 10, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Eric <erichemingway@...> wrote:
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I decided to answer your question on all three QY devices just so you have an answer as soon as possible:
ON QY70 and QY100: ? 1) Press Menu->F4 (Utility) 2) Press Menu->F2 (MIDI) 3) Move cursor to?‘ECHO BACK’?and turn it off (using +/- buttons) 4) Press Exit THEN 1) Press Menu->F4 (Fingered Zone 2) Move cursor to MIDI Channels and change to ALL (using +/- buttons)?
ON QY700: 1) Press Utility->F2 (MIDI Tab) 2)?Move cursor to both of the TWO ‘‘ECHO BACK’ fields and turn them off?(using +/- buttons). THEN 1) Press SONG->F3 (Out Ch) and setup each of your QY tracks to go to go to the desired track on ?MIDI A or MIDI B ?(you can also gave then]m go to the internal Tone Generator (TG) not as you desire. ?BTW, you can route multiple QY700 tracks to the same channel if you want.
NOTE: On all devices, When changing the ECHO BACK field, ?if turning them OFF does not solve the issue then change them to THRU… It’s been a while so I can’t remember which of the two settings will solve the issue… But I know when ‘ECHO BACK’ is set to RecMonitor it always only receives on the selected track, so it’s definitely not that one, lol.
Cheers, Eric
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
On Oct 10, 2021, at 5:57 PM, titlemusic87@... wrote:
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Is there a way to use the QY-700 as an external multitimbral instrument with midi coming from a DAW. I have setup the pattern mode with 16 different sounds, some go to the midi out. Is there a way to send multiple midi sequences on different midi channels at the same time. Now it only receives on the track which is selected
-- “The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
I decided to answer your question on all three QY devices just so you have an answer as soon as possible:
ON QY70 and QY100: ? 1) Press Menu->F4 (Utility) 2) Press Menu->F2 (MIDI) 3) Move cursor to?‘ECHO BACK’?and turn it off (using +/- buttons) 4) Press Exit THEN 1) Press Menu->F4 (Fingered Zone 2) Move cursor to MIDI Channels and change to ALL (using +/- buttons)?
ON QY700: 1) Press Utility->F2 (MIDI Tab) 2)?Move cursor to both of the TWO ‘‘ECHO BACK’ fields and turn them off?(using +/- buttons). THEN 1) Press SONG->F3 (Out Ch) and setup each of your QY tracks to go to go to the desired track on ?MIDI A or MIDI B ?(you can also gave then]m go to the internal Tone Generator (TG) not as you desire. ?BTW, you can route multiple QY700 tracks to the same channel if you want.
NOTE: On all devices, When changing the ECHO BACK field, ?if turning them OFF does not solve the issue then change them to THRU… It’s been a while so I can’t remember which of the two settings will solve the issue… But I know when ‘ECHO BACK’ is set to RecMonitor it always only receives on the selected track, so it’s definitely not that one, lol.
Cheers, Eric
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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Is there a way to use the QY-700 as an external multitimbral instrument with midi coming from a DAW. I have setup the pattern mode with 16 different sounds, some go to the midi out. Is there a way to send multiple midi sequences on different midi channels at the same time. Now it only receives on the track which is selected
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Did you mean the QY700 or the QY70?
This is a QY70 and QY100 group, so I just wanted to verify.
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Is there a way to use the QY-700 as an external multitimbral instrument with midi coming from a DAW. I have setup the pattern mode with 16 different sounds, some go to the midi out. Is there a way to send multiple midi sequences on different midi channels at the same time. Now it only receives on the track which is selected
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QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Is there a way to use the QY-700 as an external multitimbral instrument with midi coming from a DAW. I have setup the pattern mode with 16 different sounds, some go to the midi out. Is there a way to send multiple midi sequences on different midi channels at the same time. Now it only receives on the track which is selected
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Re: QY100 to DAW with XG Sounds
It’s basically just a multimbral XG+GS tone generator wrapped inside a VST, so you need to send it Program Change and Bank Select MSB/LSB CC messages on the voice channel(s) you want to configure. ?Time to break out that list book!
However: by starting on the QY, all that is handled for you—just route in its MIDI Out or use SMFs exported with data filer (make sure to include the “XG voice data header”). ?It’s very convenient to sketch something out on the QY and transfer the MIDI into a DAW while keeping the all same voices and effects.
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Re: QY100 to DAW with XG Sounds
i saw this before. but how do you change program? it has no UI and only plays the piano1 sound :-)
(as far as i could see)
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Re: QY100 to DAW with XG Sounds
Hi placific,
It's been a long time since you asked, but yes: the S-YXG50 VSTi () handles XG (and GS) midi and sounds pretty much identical to the QY70.
It was was originally released by Yamaha in 1997—the same year as the QY70.? It probably uses the same for its instruments.?? Yamaha abandoned it in 2003, but it has since been modified to work portably in modern DAWs by a clever volunteer who goes by VEG.?
The plugin still works and sounds perfectly, as long as your DAW can handle 32-bit VSTs.
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Old QY list’s archives/mbox files? (ATTN: BillGrooves?)
Does anyone still have a copy of these old QY forums' mbox archives that BillGrooves mirrored last year?? The URLs he posted back then don't work anymore.
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On 16/02/20 21:16,? BillGrooves?wrote:
I uploaded the contents of the mbox files on a free host:
1999 to 2003:?
2003 to 2013:?
2013 to 2019:?
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