QY70 and QY100 Group File Update
Greetings!
Just a quick note of interest to Yamaha QY Owners...
A lot of new files have been added to the QY70/QY100 Groups.io File Section including:
1) Most of the original files (patterns, songs. tips, tricks, software, documentation, etc) from the Original QY70/QY100 Yahoo User Group
2) The entire message archive (in three PDF volumes) of the Original QY70/QY100 Yahoo User Group
Sorry it took so long to get it all into the Files Section.?
(Please be aware that some of the items in the Files section are actually directories which contain additional items, so you may need to drill down to explore fully.).
Cheers!,
Eric
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Eric <erichemingway@...> added folder /Yahoo Groups QY70 and QY100 Forum Archives
The following files have been uploaded to
the Files area of the [email protected] group.
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Volume One of Three
The following files have been uploaded to
the Files area of the [email protected] group.
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Volume Two of Three
The following files have been uploaded to
the Files area of the [email protected] group.
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Volume Three of Three
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The following files have been uploaded to
the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: Eric <erichemingway@...>
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QY70 To QY100 Pattern Converter Software
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Hi Prea, aren¡¯t there patterns in the file section? I remember they were in the yahoo site.
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On Dec 29, 2021, at 6:14 AM, prea <prea@...> wrote:
? Hi everyone
anyone has suggetsions on free repositories for extra patterns for QY100 (or 70)?
AFAIK, there are those (paid) available from planet keyboard, anc the free ones by JayB (thanks).
Any other pointers?
...and my best wishes for 2022! :)
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Prea,?
I can¡¯t find it now but there was a webpage for either the QY70 or the QY100 that had something like a hundred well known songs in Filer format¡ many were older songs, but I imagine they would be a good source for patterns. ? I just looked for it but I can¡¯t seem to locate it on the web but I get the feeling it¡¯s still out there¡ it¡¯s just probably hard to locate without the proper terms ?(I think I originally found it through a link to a link to a link to a link while I was doing some research years ago).
In any case, one thing you can do for presets is to copy presets from other music equipment and simply record them into the patterns of the QY70/QY100, provided you set the source key and the cord type correctly the initial sound should be pretty similar¡ And from there, you can then use all the capabilities/instruments available on the QY to really make some interesting new pattern variations. ?
A good example would be the Roland PMA-5¡ It has basically the same pattern scheme as the QY70 (although I think they are 4 part patterns instead of 6) so that might be a good device to look at¡ plus the PMA-5 has a stylus interface that is pretty cool (and really ahead of it¡¯s time considering when it was ?made).
Here¡¯s a link to a video about the Roland PMA-5: ??
But of course, you could use just about any piece of kit with presets to create additional presets on the QY. ? Some devices have literally thousands of presets and many of them would still apply even though they are actually just arpeggios, LFO sweeps, etc.?
Anyway, I don¡¯t know if this answers the question but I hope it helps to some degree.
Best Regards, Eric
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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On Dec 29, 2021, at 7:14 AM, prea <prea@...> wrote:
? Hi everyone
anyone has suggetsions on free repositories for extra patterns for QY100 (or 70)?
AFAIK, there are those (paid) available from planet keyboard, anc the free ones by JayB (thanks).
Any other pointers?
...and my best wishes for 2022! :)
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¡°The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Hi everyone
anyone has suggetsions on free repositories for extra patterns for QY100 (or 70)?
AFAIK, there are those (paid) available from planet keyboard, anc the free ones by JayB (thanks).
Any other pointers?
...and my best wishes for 2022! :)
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Re: QY70 Not enough songs
I use 2 x?qy100 to get around the not enough memory issue this works well live with midi splitter to use either clock for syncing other devices
On Friday, November 19, 2021, 5:22 pm, QYedit via groups.io <domgoold@...> wrote:
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Re: QY70 Not enough songs
If you don¡¯t need all the tracks perhaps putting each song setup in a single track on the same song and then triggering based on mute/solo of those tracks (for ¡°no note¡± songs).
If you did go the second device route, I would choose the QY100 over the QY70 since you then have a SmartMedia slot to load/save as many songs as you want without requiring a computer and filer¡. with even a 32MB card you probably have well over 100 full songs (probably many many more than that¡ and supports up to 128mb smart media cards).
The QY100 works almost identically to the QY70 and but technically has slightly newer sounds (just little tweaks) plus a mic/amp simulator and larger keys, but in a slightly larger package.
Cheers,
Eric
¡°The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Re: QY70 Not enough songs
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My rig is centred on the QY70, with 90% of sounds coming from there. It¡¯s mainly used as a tone generator but some songs are furnished with actual sequences. Some songs require that I run some ¡°no note¡± sequences, so that some parameters are in place e.g switching on/setting the timing of portamento. These sequences run automatically when I use a programme change command to select the right song.
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I have 4 or 5 various controllers triggering sounds live.
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Each song in our set requires a different set of? sounds, so it makes sense to select a new song in the sequencer for each song.
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Well the inevitable happened and we now have more songs in the set than the QY70 can hold.
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I¡¯m not sure of the best way to address this.
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Buy a second qy70.
Data filer loading the next set in the interval. Fine if this works but could be a pain in rehearsal jumping from set to set and back again.
Purchase a whole new keyboard/sequencer that holds 100 songs ¨C have to learn a new synth architecture.
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Anyone got any suggestions?
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
in the QY700 channel assignment for patterns and tracks is in the same place.
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On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:44 PM, titlemusic87@... wrote:
?Hi Eric,
This didn't work for me. Is is possible to check with the QY 700 in front of you? I am using only the pattern mode, also couldn't find the utility option to set channels as pattern channels either. Let me know if you can check this for me. Thanks in advance!
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Hi Eric,
This didn't work for me. Is is possible to check with the QY 700 in front of you? I am using only the pattern mode, also couldn't find the utility option to set channels as pattern channels either. Let me know if you can check this for me. Thanks in advance!
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Hey guys, I just noticed 2 very interesting videos on youtube, you might be interested in watching.
a Qy100 using a TG300 screen!
have anyone tried this? seems like the screen is deeper, so they couldn¡¯t add the cover . there is no more information about it in the video. will it make noise like EL screens?
Dido¡¯s ¡°until you¡¯re resting here with me¡± build only with the xg synth of the qy100.
Holly molly! Does show that arrangement is way more important than the sound source. Great great work!
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 10:05 PM, Eric wrote:
"it just doesn¡¯t send midi data for those song tracks (1-8 or 9-16)"
ah, had never thought of checking that. good info. also the Echo Back -you mean that's the equivalent of Local Off for each part/track channel? the only use i've had for sysex, included in a project, is to switch Local Off for individual channels, and this is done in Song Mode -the way this works is: you set up the sysex local off in a Song, and make that the selected Song, run it once, and then you can go to Pattern mode - if you were switching off tracks for a pattern - and the local offs will have been done. - until you change Songs in Song mode (i think?). it's quite easy to run a sysex message, there are several preset ones offered; just a bit laborious, compared to have individual parameters for it, like on the RM1x. but if you save a song with your local offs in it, you just call that one up when you want to do that setup. as for Patterns used in Song mode, i reckon they will? adopt the Song effect selections. (d*mn have to find a bit of time to have a look at all this, just not this week!)
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
When you change the output of the pattern tracks it doesn¡¯t overwrite anything in the song tracks it just doesn¡¯t send midi data for those song tracks (1-8 or 9-16). ?As for what effects get applied, just try your example and see what happens (I just can¡¯t remember right now).
There is a ton of information regarding sysex on the web, there are many standard midi sysex calls as well as Yamaha XG specific calls. ?It gets pretty deep, but the basics are covered on many sites. ?Sysex calls can be done in patterns or songs, they can also be sent, recieved and recorded into tracks (for setup type sysex msgs usually you place them ?in the first measure (and optionally on thier own track as it makes them easier to find ¡ sysex messages generally specify the track to effect in the msg itself, so the sysex message can be on whatever track you want). ?If you put them all in the first measure, you just then start your song on the second measure. ?
QY70/100 FAQ: This is a great place to start learning about some if the cool tricks as well as basic info the manual might be sketchy on: ??
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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On Oct 25, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Agent 14 <darceyciccone@...> wrote:
? QYEdit, this answers a lot of questions.? All the messages here have been, thank you.
First, the patterns using up 8 of the tracks in song mode is what really threw me off.? I was wondering why settings were changing in the Variable Edit parameters, etc.? You mentioned a way to change that to 9-16.? I cant find that setting.
Eric, THIS is why i wanted to separate the drum tracks originally.? I wanted to EQ/Level them individually, but it seems i can do that with 8 of the tracks in song mode.? I realize you can only have *one* variable effect on the whole song, but i can work around that.
Next few questions.
1. If i have a pattern playing in (lets say) 9-16, there should be no "piano roll" data on that in song mode, correct?? If i want to record some variations on those tracks throughout the song, will that overdub or overwrite the pattern in those measures?? Also, you say song mode overrides pattern mode...so, does all of the EQ and FX settings i build in the pattern disappear when i use it in song mode...or are those additional controls?? For example, if i use a crossfade delay on the drum pattern, but have a different FX setting for song mode (ex: 3 band EQ). 2. I saw a video of a guy adding some sysex(?) messages to the beginning of a part in edit mode...in this case, to add portamento to a track.? Are there any more details on these workings, as i got it to work once, but not the other time.? Does it only work in pattern or song mode?
I love this community already. Im a long time MIDI and synth nerd, but never needed sysex that much, so thats still foreign.
-Agent 14? lol *SIX* sections. ...
ok here's my take on it:
you have Pattern mode, and Song mode.
64 user patterns, called Styles, each of which has 6 sections,
plus a factory library of 128 pre-programmed 'styles'.
and 20 user-programmable Songs,
which are 16 tracks/parts, plus an accompaniment 'track'/part, where you chain patterns/styles.
you can, if you want, make a 'Song', and only use the pattern chain part, inserting 'sections' of
patterns, and the chord transposition feature.
but you also have linear Song tracks, that play alongside the pattern part.
a pattern/style has 8 tracks, loops in playback, and the sounds and mix are assigned via the mixer.
these tracks can be assigned to parts 1-8 or 9-16 (mapped to midi channels 1-16) and correspond
to parts:tracks/midi channels 1-16 in the Song mode, where sounds and mix are also assigned via
a mixer page.
and this is the slightly problematic bit - though it needn't be: pattern and song share tracks. the stuff
playing on the 1-8/9-16-assigned Pattern tracks are the same mixer tracks assigned in the Song mode.
so say you have a pattern section, just looping all the way through in song mode, you could just use the
corresponding song tracks to record midiCC changes. or overdub etc.
and then use the other 8 Song tracks for whatever you want.
or you can 'unpack' a (pattern) onto song tracks, with 'Get/Put Phrase' Job functions. eg: this would allow you
to introduce variations - also takes up more memory, since it isn't just repeating the data from the pattern.
you can also do this the other way round, jamming something into a Song track/part, and then grabbing a bit of
it, and copying it over into a Pattern track. this can be a more natural way of getting your performance take.
note that: every pattern/Style track recorded becomes a 'Phrase', that can be called up in any pattern 'Section',
on any 'Track' - which you can also do with the factory Styles. eg: so if you can't be bothered to record a drum
part, you can re-use bits of a factory Style in your new pattern/Style. (hence the terms Get/Put 'Phrase')
generally, starting with Pattern mode is better for jamming ideas and getting the parts of your song together.
alternatively, you could ignore Pattern mode, and play your stuff directly into Song mode tracks. or combine
the two. at simplest level, pattern sections looping on their 'pattern chain' part, with song tracks providing the
linear parts you want to add over the patterns.
one thing worth noting is that a Style is its own microcosm with its own mix/effects settings; when you go into
Song mode, the Song is 'boss', and its mixer/effect settings override the Style (at least i think? ...can you change
Voice assignments here, for the pattern playing? don't think so ...)
for example, i believe this because if you do something obscure like setting a channel midi out to 'off', you have to
input a sysex message in the Song mode, and call that up before getting your Pattern mode to play in the same way,
eg: excluding the midi output for that part. ( switching midi out per track is quite painful; wish they'd included it as a
standard function, like on the RM1x )
you can probably confirm all this using an external 16 part sound module, ignoring the QY70/100 audio output.
Eric refers to this as a 24 'midi channel' setup - i think it's 24 'tracks' (8+16), applied to 16 midi channels. but you'll
always have one side (1-8/9-16) of the Song setup sharing the voice channels with the Pattern mode.
i've never used Phrases much, but i think they could be really useful if you work a method like that - eventually, maybe:
using pattern first, and then expanding into a song is probably the easiest/fastest way to go.
-- ---------- classic electronic music nerd
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
QYEdit, this answers a lot of questions.? All the messages here have been, thank you.
First, the patterns using up 8 of the tracks in song mode is what really threw me off.? I was wondering why settings were changing in the Variable Edit parameters, etc.? You mentioned a way to change that to 9-16.? I cant find that setting.
Eric, THIS is why i wanted to separate the drum tracks originally.? I wanted to EQ/Level them individually, but it seems i can do that with 8 of the tracks in song mode.? I realize you can only have *one* variable effect on the whole song, but i can work around that.
Next few questions.
1. If i have a pattern playing in (lets say) 9-16, there should be no "piano roll" data on that in song mode, correct?? If i want to record some variations on those tracks throughout the song, will that overdub or overwrite the pattern in those measures?? Also, you say song mode overrides pattern mode...so, does all of the EQ and FX settings i build in the pattern disappear when i use it in song mode...or are those additional controls?? For example, if i use a crossfade delay on the drum pattern, but have a different FX setting for song mode (ex: 3 band EQ). 2. I saw a video of a guy adding some sysex(?) messages to the beginning of a part in edit mode...in this case, to add portamento to a track.? Are there any more details on these workings, as i got it to work once, but not the other time.? Does it only work in pattern or song mode?
I love this community already. Im a long time MIDI and synth nerd, but never needed sysex that much, so thats still foreign.
-Agent 14?
lol *SIX* sections. ...
ok here's my take on it:
you have Pattern mode, and Song mode.
64 user patterns, called Styles, each of which has 6 sections,
plus a factory library of 128 pre-programmed 'styles'.
and 20 user-programmable Songs,
which are 16 tracks/parts, plus an accompaniment 'track'/part, where you chain patterns/styles.
you can, if you want, make a 'Song', and only use the pattern chain part, inserting 'sections' of
patterns, and the chord transposition feature.
but you also have linear Song tracks, that play alongside the pattern part.
a pattern/style has 8 tracks, loops in playback, and the sounds and mix are assigned via the mixer.
these tracks can be assigned to parts 1-8 or 9-16 (mapped to midi channels 1-16) and correspond
to parts:tracks/midi channels 1-16 in the Song mode, where sounds and mix are also assigned via
a mixer page.
and this is the slightly problematic bit - though it needn't be: pattern and song share tracks. the stuff
playing on the 1-8/9-16-assigned Pattern tracks are the same mixer tracks assigned in the Song mode.
so say you have a pattern section, just looping all the way through in song mode, you could just use the
corresponding song tracks to record midiCC changes. or overdub etc.
and then use the other 8 Song tracks for whatever you want.
or you can 'unpack' a (pattern) onto song tracks, with 'Get/Put Phrase' Job functions. eg: this would allow you
to introduce variations - also takes up more memory, since it isn't just repeating the data from the pattern.
you can also do this the other way round, jamming something into a Song track/part, and then grabbing a bit of
it, and copying it over into a Pattern track. this can be a more natural way of getting your performance take.
note that: every pattern/Style track recorded becomes a 'Phrase', that can be called up in any pattern 'Section',
on any 'Track' - which you can also do with the factory Styles. eg: so if you can't be bothered to record a drum
part, you can re-use bits of a factory Style in your new pattern/Style. (hence the terms Get/Put 'Phrase')
generally, starting with Pattern mode is better for jamming ideas and getting the parts of your song together.
alternatively, you could ignore Pattern mode, and play your stuff directly into Song mode tracks. or combine
the two. at simplest level, pattern sections looping on their 'pattern chain' part, with song tracks providing the
linear parts you want to add over the patterns.
one thing worth noting is that a Style is its own microcosm with its own mix/effects settings; when you go into
Song mode, the Song is 'boss', and its mixer/effect settings override the Style (at least i think? ...can you change
Voice assignments here, for the pattern playing? don't think so ...)
for example, i believe this because if you do something obscure like setting a channel midi out to 'off', you have to
input a sysex message in the Song mode, and call that up before getting your Pattern mode to play in the same way,
eg: excluding the midi output for that part. ( switching midi out per track is quite painful; wish they'd included it as a
standard function, like on the RM1x )
you can probably confirm all this using an external 16 part sound module, ignoring the QY70/100 audio output.
Eric refers to this as a 24 'midi channel' setup - i think it's 24 'tracks' (8+16), applied to 16 midi channels. but you'll
always have one side (1-8/9-16) of the Song setup sharing the voice channels with the Pattern mode.
i've never used Phrases much, but i think they could be really useful if you work a method like that - eventually, maybe:
using pattern first, and then expanding into a song is probably the easiest/fastest way to go.
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classic electronic music nerd
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
Eric, I noticed your confusion. Sysex is channel independent. the MIDI spec allows values 0-F (0 to 15) for any defined status messages .? it really is a limit.
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On Oct 24, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Eric <erichemingway@...> wrote:
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I have to disagree (respectively of course!)
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The MIDI spec might specify 16 channels, but you definitely can communicate above that. ?I have a Novation SL MK II that sends sysex info to the QY70/100 on channels 17 thru 24 (in addition to channels 1 thru 16). ? ?Granted, I am sending data to the QY70/100, not recieving it, but I would imagine it would work the other way as well, but the novation is a controller so I never used as an input device.
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Pretty sure you could hook two QYs together and send data back and forth over all 24 channels. ?
I think the MIDI spec is just a minimum standard in this regard.
EDIT/UPDATE: ?Sorry, I might be confusing tracks and channels here, it¡¯s been a while since I was knee-deep in sysex protocols. ;-)
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["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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On Oct 23, 2021, at 5:05 AM, kaltar <kaltar@...> wrote:
Internally, the qy 70/100 route the channels to its synth, and internally it might have more than 16 channels, but it will never output via Midi DIN more than 16 channels (it¡¯s a technical specification of midi). it¡¯s just not possible.
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the qy allows you to assign the track channel to an output channel, and you¡¯ll see only 16, per output. No midi merge happens internally
On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:45 AM, QYedit via groups.io <domgoold@...> wrote:
ah yeah... so in that case, just send the output to a DAW, and see what you get. i've always been under the impression that there's a midimerge going on with eg: pattern track and song track. maybe i have to rethink that, given that drum parts must be going out on channel10 (haven't used my QY100 for quite a while, have been using RM1x).
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
I don¡¯t have the QY 700 in front of me right now but there are two possibilities I think:
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1) The sending device could specify a channel above 48. ?On the QY70/100 (with it¡¯s 16 song channels and 8 pattern channels) data would need to be sent on channels 17 thru 24 but alot of MIDI equipment can¡¯t send data over those channels, which is why the QY70 has the utility option of setting channels 1 to 8 or 9 to 16 as pattern channels. ?The QY700 might have a similar feature. ?If it does then it would be located in the utility menu section.
2) If I recall correctly, again on the QY70/100, the routing of the channels to the tracks switches depending on what mode the QY is in. ?So if you go into pattern mode, the QY won¡¯t reroute the data to the song¡¯s tracks. ?Of course this is not to helpful if you want to use both song and pattern tracks.
Again, the above us from memory (and from the QY70/100, so I could be remembering incorrectly. ?
Let me/us know if either works for you.
EDIT/UPDATE: ?Sorry, I might be confusing tracks and channels here, it¡¯s been a while since I was knee-deep in sysex protocols. ;-) ? However, the above ideas could still work, just the names (channels vs. tracks) have simply been changed to protect the innocent, lol!
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Re: New QY100 Owner, Super ExcitedQY
I have to disagree (respectively of course!)
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The MIDI spec might specify 16 channels, but you definitely can communicate above that. ?I have a Novation SL MK II that sends sysex info to the QY70/100 on channels 17 thru 24 (in addition to channels 1 thru 16). ? ?Granted, I am sending data to the QY70/100, not recieving it, but I would imagine it would work the other way as well, but the novation is a controller so I never used as an input device.
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Pretty sure you could hook two QYs together and send data back and forth over all 24 channels. ?
I think the MIDI spec is just a minimum standard in this regard.
EDIT/UPDATE: ?Sorry, I might be confusing tracks and channels here, it¡¯s been a while since I was knee-deep in sysex protocols. ;-)
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["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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On Oct 23, 2021, at 5:05 AM, kaltar <kaltar@...> wrote:
Internally, the qy 70/100 route the channels to its synth, and internally it might have more than 16 channels, but it will never output via Midi DIN more than 16 channels (it¡¯s a technical specification of midi). it¡¯s just not possible.
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the qy allows you to assign the track channel to an output channel, and you¡¯ll see only 16, per output. No midi merge happens internally
On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:45 AM, QYedit via groups.io <domgoold@...> wrote:
ah yeah... so in that case, just send the output to a DAW, and see what you get. i've always been under the impression that there's a midimerge going on with eg: pattern track and song track. maybe i have to rethink that, given that drum parts must be going out on channel10 (haven't used my QY100 for quite a while, have been using RM1x).
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Re: QY-700 external midi on multiple channels
Thanks for helping me out Eric! W hen I set the Echo Back to Thru, the external synths receive midi on their channel but not the internal sounds. All midi channels play the piano preset except 10 which are drums. I use pattern mode and none of tracks has the piano preset on. All 'Voice Select' are set to Pattern, not Phrase so I can select a sound in Pattern mode. I have several tracks using the internal sounds and other sending midi to synths. How can I set the midi input channel in Pattern mode for each track so I send midi to qy-700 internal sounds on multiple channels? I use pattern mode only, where do I adjust something in 'OutCh.'? in 'Patt.TR' I've set the midi ouputs for the external Synths. I'd like each track in pattern mode to receive midi on a different channel. It looks like the midi in from the QY is sent to the songs tracks, not the pattern tracks.
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Eric
prea