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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

yes the snubbers
the cobalts are powered?by dr5000 the cobalt frogs are wired frog to the common and the track feed for the frogs are left and right on the cobalts I am not using the frog connection on the cobalts

On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 11:33?AM Iain Morrison via <w.iain.morrison=[email protected]> wrote:
By resistor packs do you mean DCC Filters (snubbers)??

Are you using the frog output on the Cobalts? If you are then you will be powering the frogs from the accessories bus I.e. the YD9401. When using separate boosters for the track then you need to use the separate SPDT switch that is on the Cobalts and take the feeds from the track power feeding the turnouts.


Many Thanks


Iain Morrison


On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 at 11:18, Alan Watt via <overdenestation=[email protected]> wrote:
ok bought some of them resistor packs?
I have two boosters for the track power only and the point motors all run from the dr5000/9401
put the resistor pack on the dr5000 and when I change? a point(cobalt) most of my tracks shows occupancy while the point moves
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any one explain this please
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

By resistor packs do you mean DCC Filters (snubbers)??

Are you using the frog output on the Cobalts? If you are then you will be powering the frogs from the accessories bus I.e. the YD9401. When using separate boosters for the track then you need to use the separate SPDT switch that is on the Cobalts and take the feeds from the track power feeding the turnouts.


Many Thanks


Iain Morrison


On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 at 11:18, Alan Watt via <overdenestation=[email protected]> wrote:
ok bought some of them resistor packs?
I have two boosters for the track power only and the point motors all run from the dr5000/9401
put the resistor pack on the dr5000 and when I change? a point(cobalt) most of my tracks shows occupancy while the point moves
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any one explain this please
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

ok bought some of them resistor packs?
I have two boosters for the track power only and the point motors all run from the dr5000/9401
put the resistor pack on the dr5000 and when I change? a point(cobalt) most of my tracks shows occupancy while the point moves
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any one explain this please
Re: Detailed setup manual for the YD7010?

 

Hey Rick, I had a chance to test the 7010 station a bit last few days and I like it. Connection is flawless. Lots of futures and possibilities.
Re: RailCom detection

 

Based on that page, you're not going to get RailCom on S88, you'd need S88.2. There is a lack of RailCom detectors that will work on other systems (ESU and Roco have ones that only work with their own system). You can use LoDi's interface to connect to Ethernet to connect to iTrain, but AFAICT, their system will not work with JMRI.

These functions are available when operating on the old s88 bus:

  • Occupancy report of the individual blocks with display
  • Short circuit detection of the individual blocks, here via an additional register, which means:
    If a short circuit is detected on output 1.1, for example, 1.9 is reported as occupied. The short circuit can now be displayed on every model railway control system.

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Alexander Wood

Hartford-New Haven, CT

Modeling the modern era freelanced G&W Connecticut Northern in HO

Digikeijs DR5000 - JMRI - ProtoThrottle - TCS UWT-100 - TCS UWT-50p - Digitrax Simplex



On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 6:59?PM Mark via <coolhelirc=[email protected]> wrote:
I would like to try and test some RailCom futures. At the moment the only available detection unit comes from LoDi. Can that unit be connected directly to the YaMoRC 7010 station on the S88 bus?
RailCom detection

 

I would like to try and test some RailCom futures. At the moment the only available detection unit comes from LoDi. Can that unit be connected directly to the YaMoRC 7010 station on the S88 bus?
Re: Detailed setup manual for the YD7010?

 

Rick,

Why would you need to program using a throttle or Z21 app if you have DecoderPro? The key to understanding JMRI is that if you're using POM, JMRI is storing the changes in the roster file, so if you go and change something with a throttle, JMRI doesn't know you changed it, and you'd have to read the locomotive back in on the programming track. So better to just use JMRI and let it keep track of changes.

I'd suggest that you get a book about DCC and learn the basics of DCC, decoders, CVs, parts of the?system, how data flows through the system, etc.

Alex


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Alexander Wood

Hartford-New Haven, CT

Modeling the modern era freelanced G&W Connecticut Northern in HO

Digikeijs DR5000 - JMRI - ProtoThrottle - TCS UWT-100 - TCS UWT-50p - Digitrax Simplex



On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 7:25?PM Rick Norell via <ricknorell=[email protected]> wrote:
Novice here.? So programming the decoder with DecoderPro totally completes the job?? I would not need to go through decoder programing in YD7010 or in the Z21 app?? If so, eliminates redundant entry and eases decoder programming for the more complex ESU sound decoders.? Thank you!
Re: YD8116 programming

 

I bought a few of these YD8116 modules mainly for turnouts. For slow motion switch machines it only takes a press of the 'Pgm' button and 1 turnout command to set all addresses for all 8 turnouts as Iain says. Since I use Tortoise switch machines I also needed to buy 4 YD6940 adapters. That works well.
However...
If it's signals you want to configure then the manual recommends either:
  • the YD9101 which is a USB to ES-Link config board
or
  • a module with an ES-IN connector on it. That module would also need a YD9601ES-Link adapter to connect the modules together side by side.
In fact it's the YD9100 on the website that is for sale. I bought one just to see what the config looked like after pressing the Pgm button. There are tons of config options for signals which I will be using some time in the future. The YD9100 comes with a YD6910ES-LINK adapter so it's probably the easier choice.
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So to summarize in case that was as clear as mud- you can configure the YD8116 for slow motion switch machines without anything special but if you want to configure signals then you need something with an ES-IN connector on it and a YD9601ES-Link adapter OR just buy a YD9100 which isn't expensive.
Re: YD8116 programming

 

The YD8116 does have 16 switchable outputs but each turnout uses 2 outputs (straight and branch) therefore only 8 turnouts can be controlled ?


Many Thanks

Iain Morrison


On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 04:07, Pete S. via <peter=[email protected]> wrote:
This is probably a really dumb question.....
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I need some extra outputs for signals and so I need to buy some additional signal decoders. So I was reading the user manual for the YD8116. I was under the impression that the 8116 was a 16 output device. The manual says that to configure the turnout addresses you press the button and send it a signal from the central unit switching the first desired output address for the 8116, and the 8116 assigns that address and the next seven addresses consecutively. That's ok, but what about the other 8 addresses? Or, do I need to program the 8116 vie the ES-Link system so that all 16 can be set with an address? The example shown in the manual states that to use the ES-Link system we need to go via another module to use the ES-Link system. This would mean I would need to purchase a module I don't need on my railway just to carry out the programming!!
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All I want to do is use all 16 outputs of the module with seperate addresses for each output, with fade on and off.
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My central unit is a DR5000 / YD7001. My signals are currently driven with several DR4018.
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Thanks
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Pete S.
YD8116 programming

 

This is probably a really dumb question.....
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I need some extra outputs for signals and so I need to buy some additional signal decoders. So I was reading the user manual for the YD8116. I was under the impression that the 8116 was a 16 output device. The manual says that to configure the turnout addresses you press the button and send it a signal from the central unit switching the first desired output address for the 8116, and the 8116 assigns that address and the next seven addresses consecutively. That's ok, but what about the other 8 addresses? Or, do I need to program the 8116 vie the ES-Link system so that all 16 can be set with an address? The example shown in the manual states that to use the ES-Link system we need to go via another module to use the ES-Link system. This would mean I would need to purchase a module I don't need on my railway just to carry out the programming!!
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All I want to do is use all 16 outputs of the module with seperate addresses for each output, with fade on and off.
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My central unit is a DR5000 / YD7001. My signals are currently driven with several DR4018.
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Thanks
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Pete S.
Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

 

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 05:06 PM, Iain Morrison wrote:

Pre-made resistive wheelsets are not something I have seen in Europe, I use SMD resistors, superglue and silver conductive paint.

I do the same here, make my own resistor wheels. There are several company's that do make resistors wheels in the USA.

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You appear to be connecting to the global detector K to the buss bar, and from the DR5088RC outputs via shunt resistors to the buss bar but I cannot see where you are connecting the feedback's for the track into, unfortunately all I can see are a jumble of read and black wires coming from somewhere and going to somewhere – hence asking for a clearer logical diagram rather than a picture.

I did not show all the wiring because that does not change on wiring the DR5088RC, just adding the resistors is all I am doing.

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I also assume that when you say “Resistor Wheels 4 x 10K (2.5K)” this means four axles, each of 10k giving a resistance of 2k5 across the track?

Yes
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Dennis Cherry
Owner/Moderator
Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

 

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Dennis

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Pre-made resistive wheelsets are not something I have seen in Europe, I use SMD resistors, superglue and silver conductive paint.

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You appear to be connecting to the global detector K to the buss bar, and from the DR5088RC outputs via shunt resistors to the buss bar but I cannot see where you are connecting the feedbacks for the track into, unfortunately all I can see are a jumble of read and black wires coming from somewhere and going to somewhere – hence asking for a clearer logical diagram rather than a picture.

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I also assume that when you say “Resistor Wheels 4 x 10K (2.5K)” this means four axles, each of 10k giving a resistance of 2k5 across the track?

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Iain

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dennis Cherry via groups.io
Sent: 02 January 2025 22:34
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

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There are many resistor wheels available, the 10K resistor wheels are popular from different MFG.s

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In my picture of the DR5088RC the green buss bar is the "K" connections to the DR5088RC.

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You will see some 1.8K, 2.2K and 2.7K shunt resistors, all worink just fine.

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Dennis Cherry
Owner/Moderator
Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

 

There are many resistor wheels available, the 10K resistor wheels are popular from different MFG.s
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In my picture of the DR5088RC the green buss bar is the "K" connections to the DR5088RC.
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You will see some 1.8K, 2.2K and 2.7K shunt resistors, all worink just fine.
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Dennis Cherry
Owner/Moderator
Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

 

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Dennis

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I use iTrain with DR5088RC and get solid Railcom detection without any of the shunting which you describe and I use 1k5, or 2k resistors as axle detection for wagons. I have shown a few people this method with DR5088RC and axle detection. This has worked for all of them.

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Could you do a diagram of you shunt picture as I cannot see what is being wired to where, but the boards you are using seem familiar. IIRC someone created them for the DR4088LN-CS shunts but I can’t recall the name ?

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Perhaps when I see what you have wired it may be obvious but presently I am not aware of a DR5088RC detection problem that needs solving?

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Iain

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dennis Cherry via groups.io
Sent: 02 January 2025 22:07
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

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Seven months ago I sent an email to Karst about some testing I did on my DR5088RC unit.? Was having the problem with reliable sensor contact.

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I do use Railcom on my railroad using JMRI.

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My Railroad is N-Scale.

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Karst replied back to me and liked my novel way to fix the DR5088RC detection.

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What I did was on all the DR5088RC "J" inputs was adding a resistor shunt to the 'K' connections.

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This has stopped my senors and Railcom Reporting? from dropping out, JMRI it did not like this and would stop displaying the Railcom ID's, I would have to close and reopen JMRI.

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The chart includes using 4 each 10K resistor wheels and also tested with 3 each 10K resistors wheels to simulate having dirty wheels.

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See Attachments:

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I would recommend the 2.2K or 2.7K 1/4W resistors for N & HO. It only takes .008888 ma? per resistor.

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Dennis Cherry
Owner/Moderator

Attachments:
Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

 

Seven months ago I sent an email to Karst about some testing I did on my DR5088RC unit.? Was having the problem with reliable sensor contact.
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I do use Railcom on my railroad using JMRI.
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My Railroad is N-Scale.
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Karst replied back to me and liked my novel way to fix the DR5088RC detection.
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What I did was on all the DR5088RC "J" inputs was adding a resistor shunt to the 'K' connections.
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This has stopped my senors and Railcom Reporting? from dropping out, JMRI it did not like this and would stop displaying the Railcom ID's, I would have to close and reopen JMRI.
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The chart includes using 4 each 10K resistor wheels and also tested with 3 each 10K resistors wheels to simulate having dirty wheels.
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See Attachments:
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I would recommend the 2.2K or 2.7K 1/4W resistors for N & HO. It only takes .008888 ma? per resistor.
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Dennis Cherry
Owner/Moderator

Shunt Resisitor test values.pdf
Shunt Resisitor test values.pdf
Shunt Resistor Setup.jpg

Re: Resistor for block detection, best size?

 

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Heath

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For DR4088LN-CS a 10k resistor should work perfectly. ?Different systems often require different values and you cannot read across from different systems to get the value for your feedbacks. As an example a DR5088RC requires 1k5

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Iain

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Human[c]ity Junction via groups.io
Sent: 02 January 2025 13:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: Resistor for block detection, best size?

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I have both the DR4088CS and the YaMoRC equivalent. On the DR4088CS I have added the resistors as recommended.?

What is the best size resistor to use for wheelsets on N scale?

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I thought everyone used 10k ohm resistors, but a friend was using 1.5k ohm on all their cars.?

I want to put 2 resistors on every cars, at opposite ends, but I want a single axle to trigger detection. But I also want to be able to have a string of 16+ cars in one zone and not trip a breaker.?

What is best practice for these specific units?

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thanks

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Heath @ Human[c]ity
Resistor for block detection, best size?

 

I have both the DR4088CS and the YaMoRC equivalent. On the DR4088CS I have added the resistors as recommended.?

What is the best size resistor to use for wheelsets on N scale?
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I thought everyone used 10k ohm resistors, but a friend was using 1.5k ohm on all their cars.?

I want to put 2 resistors on every cars, at opposite ends, but I want a single axle to trigger detection. But I also want to be able to have a string of 16+ cars in one zone and not trip a breaker.?

What is best practice for these specific units?
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thanks
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Heath @ Human[c]ity
Font size

 

Is there any way to increase font size in YD7010 log screen? My eyes are not what they use to be and have a hard time reading the log on screen.
Thank you.
Re: YD7403 and Loconet B

 

A bit more research shows that Loconet B is required for the YD7403 and DR5033 boosters but the YD6016LN-CS/GND can operate on either Loconet T or Loconet B. It's only Loconet throttles or anything requiring pins 1 and 6 to be powered that need Loconet T.
The difference between Loconet T and B is what is carried on pins 1 and 6. Either Railsync for the boosters or 7v for Loconet throttles. The feedback modules don't seem to care.
I saw some other information that said that Locconet B was limited to 200mA but Loconet T had a 'higher' current capability. The total current will depend on the command station. For the YD7001 the total Loconect current is 750mA maximum.
The upshot of this is that the YaMoRC manuals are correct. In my case I will have 7 YD60616LN-CS modules just on the lower deck so I had better keep the Loconet T and B cable runs separate. I put the YD7403 and YD6016LN-CS on the same physical mounting panel so I will be specifying a booster for each current detection feedback module. In theory I could have up to 7 locos per booster operating, but the YD8116 connects to track so it will be using a bit of that available current.
Sorry about answering my own question. I guess I should have looked a little more before posting.
YD7403 and Loconet B

 
Edited

I need some help with connecting up Loconet T and B sockets on the YD7001.
I was under the impression that the Loconet B connector was to be used to connect up booster modules and the Loconet T connector was to be used to connect up all the feedback modules.
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The DR5033 manual shows Loconet B being used between command station and booster. A separate Loconet T cable is used to connect the command station to the feedback modules. So 2 cable runs needed - a T and a B.
However...
The YD7001E manual shows Loconet B connecting the YD7403 booster and the YD6016LN-CS and presumably GND feedback modules. So only 1 cable run needed. If there are no booster modules then the diagrams show the Loconet T being used.
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Can I please get a better understanding of whether modules can all daisy chain off the Loconet B connector on the YD7001 or whether I still need to make different runs to the feedback and booster modules. Perhaps things changed from the digikeijs era.
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