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Re: De sensitise DR4088LN-CS inputs.

 

Iain:

Thanks again.? Using Ryan's photo as guide (see link below), I trust then that each wire on a resistor coming from 1-8 and 9-16 point to where the connection from the layout would be, in other words the drop feeders from the layout would connect separately to each wire coming from 1-8 or 9-16.

What I can't get through my brain (sorry) is if all the drop feeders from the layout above are soldered (or will be soldered together given all resistors from 1-8 connect to the same 'C' wire) how does the DR4088 unit determine if 1, 4, 6, or 8 was tripped (occupied) given each of 1,4, 6 or 8 are soldered to the same wire going to 'C'?

In the DR4088 manual, the wires from 1-8, 9-16 do not connect to the 'C' wire.? Please help?

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Don
Re: De sensitise DR4088LN-CS inputs.

 

The track feeds for the layout come from the terminals marked 1 - 8 and 9 - 16, in exactly the same way as they do now.?

Many Thanks

Iain Morrison



On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 at 20:28, Don Charabin <scentgrasslake@...> wrote:
Iain:? To help my understanding further please.? The 1-8 or 9-16 'outputs' are not bothered by the fact they share the same wire and still can determine which block is occupied.? How does one connect to the layout for detection.? I would guess each section (block) needs its own feeders, but do they all tie (via drop feeders) to that same wire (acting like a bus wire)?? Thanks...

Re: De sensitise DR4088LN-CS inputs.

 

Iain:? To help my understanding further please.? The 1-8 or 9-16 'outputs' are not bothered by the fact they share the same wire and still can determine which block is occupied.? How does one connect to the layout for detection.? I would guess each section (block) needs its own feeders, but do they all tie (via drop feeders) to that same wire (acting like a bus wire)?? Thanks...
Re: DR5000 Upgrade to YD7001 at York Railway Modellers in Toronto

 

Hi

We did have a long running operations night for which I can report results.? Similar to Brian we were able to run 10 throttles through the router/LAN set up to the YD7001 - our mix of throttles was different, primarily TCS UWT throttles.? We ran two tests as outlined below.

Operations night
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Test 1 -. Internal WiFi off, all throttles?connected through a router and LAN port on YD7001
  • For the first 2 hours,? we had 10 throttles connected to the YD7001 and all were being very actively used.? Activities?were mostly switching in the 2 main yards and in the yards of towns on the layout.?
  • With these 10 throttles in use the environment was very stable.? Throttles were primarily UWT-100s and UWT-50s, with one iPhone running WiThrottle.
Test 2 - Internal WiFi off, all throttles?connected through a router and LAN port on YD7001
  • Same 10 active throttles as in test 1, but slowly connected additional throttles to the YD7001 over WiFi.? These additional throttles were simply connecting with no loco under active control.
  • With 3 additional throttles?(13 in total) everything?was stable.? Two of these throttles were Wlanmaus, and one was an Android?cell running Engine Driver.
  • As throttles 14 and 15 were added (just connected, not controlling trains - both were Android cell phones running Engine Driver), the environment became unstable.? At one point, all throttles lost connection to the environment.? Locos continued to run as they were before connection loss causing some panic, but the throttles were all reconnected within 30 seconds and control was regained.
  • Backed off to 12 throttles, with 10 very active and things were stable again for the rest of the night.
For test 2, it is unclear if the YD7001 or the router caused the throttles to disconnect.? ?Since we were not prepared to gather problem determination data, none was gathered. Investigating this will take some time and planning for the collection of debugging information.

Overall we are steadily moving forward with the YD7001.? There will be some limit to how much traffic (active throttles it can handle), and we will continue testing to see if we can provide guidelines for this for an environment like ours.

Jay Lennox - Toronto
Re: YD7001 and Windows 11

 

Pictures of the logging screen please.

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But I suspect you have this:

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Set to DEMO...

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Greets,

Karst
YD7001 and Windows 11

 

The YD7001 Configuration software no longer talks to my YD7001 via USB. Running Windows 11.
  • It did install and and it did run properly. The update worked fine. That was a week ago,
  • A couple of days ago the app no longer talked to the YD7001 and it stays in YD7001 - DEMO mode.
  • Going to the USB 2.0 tab says "Attention, Update only possible with USB connection!" okay, that seems clear.
  • I don't see anything useful to me in the logging window. Unplugging it asks me to plug it in again. It knows I have plugged it on, but stays in DEMO mode. So it knows it's there but somehow can't talk to it.
  • COM8 COM9 and COM10 are alight but there is no usb traffic on the unit itself. Track on/off does nothing.
  • Windows Device Manager shows YaMoRC drivers installed with 9600 N 8 1
  • Changing USB cables makes no difference.
  • Uninstalling and re-installing the software makes no difference.
  • I went to the layout and installed the software on my Windows 10 computer. Worked perfectly.
So does that ring any bells for anyone?
Re: Roco Throttles failing to connect to Yamorc 7001

 

Thank you for your response.? I appreciate your help..

Ron
Re: YaMoRC YD8116 and Digikeijs DR5000

 

Thank you Karst. Can I be cheeky and ask when the 7100, 7403 and 9101 modules are going to be available in the UK?
Re: Will adding an LED to a track (to indicate it is on) trigger the detection of the 4088CS?

 

With regard to cutting track power to sections of track you could use a latching/bi-stable relay controlled by a switch controller (DR4018 or spare switch in DR4024). You could even use a DR4102 as the relay, just wired to one side which would give you four controllable sections.?


Cutting track power on a DCC layout may seem a little analog but it is an easy way of isolating tracks in storage areas. I¡¯m thinking of storing some lighted coaches so the lights go off when not in use (cheaper than installing decoders in them) and you can still use the DCC system to switch the track sections on and off.?



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Dave, Portland
Re: De sensitise DR4088LN-CS inputs.

 

You are not ¡®tying¡¯ the 1-8 outputs (or 9-16) together, they remain completely separate as they are today. You are placing a shunt resistors between the feedback e.g. feedback 1 and the C terminal for that bank.?

This means that most of the current shunts through the resistor rather than going through the DR4088xx.?

Many Thanks

Iain Morrison



On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 at 20:00, Don Charabin <scentgrasslake@...> wrote:

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Ryan: I have read about adding resistors to the DR4088 to desensitize the device but never understood how this was to be accomplished until I saw your photos. Awesome, thanks!!!


Just to help me understand further, though, it was my impression that each of the 1-8, 9-16 detection connections were to be separate from each other; ?the way you have them soldered together to the common ¡®C¡¯ is they are all tied together, will then a detection on any one them show detection on all of them, thus making it a tad confusing as to which block is occupied?

Re: Will adding an LED to a track (to indicate it is on) trigger the detection of the 4088CS?

 

Bummer on the LED, I was hoping to add that indicator of track power on the bumpers.

As for the relays, yes, I want to be able to kill track power on areas with locomotive storage. Do you have a better solution for this?

Thanks
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Heath

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Heath @ Human[c]ity
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Re: DR5000 Program Track Loco long address

 

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 06:54 PM, @scoot wrote:
First if I use JMRI Decoder Pro I get a message can not communicate with the command station ,ps I changed the USB Cable.no go.with
DR5000 too JMRI .
Seems to me like a setup problem. Can you get other communication to work ?

The Second if I use My MultiMaus or Wlanmaus Program Long address I receive a message error.
If I use the Z21 App I am okay that works.
There is no logical difference between the two...

And the DR5000 too Itrain is fine.as well
What you mean with DR5000 ? It's Windows App ?

?I am not sure what I have done wrong.

Me neither ?

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Question: Which Version of software/firmware do you run at your DR5000 ?
Re: Function key 2 (F2) is latching / non-momentary on the YD7001 ?

 

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:12 PM, Jay Lennox wrote:
Does anyone know if the behaviour of F2 can be changed on the YD7001 ?

Well yes, this anybody does ?

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No you can't. As the latching/momentary setting of a function is/should be controlled by the Handheld, the command station does not intervene with it. And does just what the Handheld tells the Command Station to do.

In the WiThrottle protocol, there is a possibility for the "Client" to tell the "Server" how to behave on functions. As of now, this has not (yet) been implemented in the YD9401. In the latest release we implemented a "dummy" to figure out how the Handhelds/Apps are sending this info. Until now we were not able to seen any Handheld/App send these commands.

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Greets,

Karst
Re: Roco Throttles failing to connect to Yamorc 7001

 

Hi,

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Maybe you would want to read Jay Lennox' posts on WiFi/LAN and routers.?

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but:

Is there a limit to the number of Roco throttles that can be actively connected at one time?? Is there a software change I need to make in the Roco or the Yamorc?


There is no such limit built in. However the YD9401 could run out of resources. Our advise is to use an external WiFi Accesspoint and connect that via LAN cable to the YD7001 when you are planning lots of Throttles. Additionally then turn-off WiFi on the YD9401 which frees a lot of resources!

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Greets,

Karst
Re: YaMoRC YD8116 and Digikeijs DR5000

 

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 02:08 AM, Iain Morrison wrote:
Yes, no problem ¨C DCC equipment will work with a DR5000.
Yes, but you cannot use the YD8116 DCCext feature ( sending aspects with a single DCC address ) The DR5000's firmware does not support that.
Re: Will adding an LED to a track (to indicate it is on) trigger the detection of the 4088CS?

 

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 08:49 AM, Human[c]ity Junction wrote:
I want to know if I put an LED on a track bumper that I could use to indicate whether the track is powered or not will the LED trip the detection circuit of the DR4088CS?

Oh yes it will, bad idea...?

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But what the heck is a MQTT relay and what for it's used ? Shutting down power on track segments is very "analog" ?

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Re: DR5000, DR5033 and DR4088 on LocoNet

 

Hi,

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From the signal-point-of-view there is only 1 LocoNet.

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LocoNet-B carries the RS (RailSync) signal on pin 1 and 6. LocoNet-T carries fixed 12VDC on the same pins.

Reason: The RS signal is ( as of Digitrax' manual ) a "weak" copy of the track-out DCC signal. It can supply ony a couple of tens/hundreds of millamps. Since there are more and more power-hungry handhelds, there is LocoNet-T with 1 Amp on 12V for thos devices that do not need RS.

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So for a booster one *must* use LocoNet-B, for all other equipment there is no difference.


On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 06:57 AM, Human[c]ity Junction wrote:

Why did Digikeijs split the LocoNet bus into two separate runs, but Digitrax keeps it all on one?

Well Digikeijs did nothing. ;) I did, by design :P And the reason is that in Europe we got used to B & T because of the Uhlenbrock IntelliBoxes.

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Greets,

Karst
Re: DR5000, DR5033 and DR4088 on LocoNet

 

Yes, keep them separate. ?I believe loconet T has 12V supply whereas loconet B doesn¡¯t?
Will adding an LED to a track (to indicate it is on) trigger the detection of the 4088CS?

 

I know that I should just put together a test setup and confirm all of my assumptions, but I figured I would get other people's experieces first.

I want to know if I put an LED on a track bumper that I could use to indicate whether the track is powered or not (I plan to use an MQTT controlled relay to turn yard tracks on and off) will the LED trip the detection circuit of the DR4088CS?

I am also concerned about the MQTT relays, but my assumption is they are just a closed or open circuit and should not change the resistance of the circuit.
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Heath @ Human[c]ity
DR5000, DR5033 and DR4088 on LocoNet

 

Hello,

I think I know the answer, but I want to confirm while I am planning out my layout.

With Digitrax, there is only one LocoNet bus, and you connect the boosters and throttles, etc... all to the same connection.
But with Digikeijs, there is a LocoNet T and LocoNet B. I will have two distribution areas, one with a DR5000 and DR4088 and one with a DR5033 and DR4088.

Do I need to run two LocoNet cables between the DR5000 and the DR5033/DR4088? Put the 5033 on LocoNetB and put the 4088 on LocoNetT?

Aside: Why did Digikeijs split the LocoNet bus into two separate runs, but Digitrax keeps it all on one?

Thanks
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Heath @ Human[c]ity
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