Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: Xair Hawk
Should be Saul cloth
I fly..Therefore I am.
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-------- Original message -------- From: "John Rhodes john@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]" <X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> Date: 2015-11-16 7:33 PM (GMT-04:00) To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@... Subject: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: Xair Hawk
How does one tell what kind of fabric is on an X-air Hanuman? Mine was built in 2006 but not by me. It is yellow and blue.
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How does one tell what kind of fabric is on an X-air Hanuman? Mine was built in 2006 but not by me. It is yellow and blue.
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
Here are pics of the (2) right and (1) left sides. They are just as soft as they appear with no cracks. I guess the fabric came from different?rolls? The only install difference was left side had some heat gun work to de-wrinkle back when and has no effect now on either side. Thanks all for your comments, John
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From: Alan Daniel alanwingtech@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft <X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...>
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2015 3:50 am
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
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Whilst I wouldn't call myself an expert, I have had experience with the laminate used on some X-Air standard and F models, and hope I can?shed some light here.
It is often mistakenly identified as?Ultralam but this is incorrect, it?is actually a Dimension Polyant cloth called Profile 180. This is a basic laminate of Dacron and mylar film which has none of the UV resistant properties of Ultralam which was used on later model Thrusters.
Profile 180?has some good qualities - zero porosity, light weight, and a?range of colours among them.?Unfortunately most of its stretch resistance is due to the film part of the laminate. This?can get brittle and crack?with UV exposure,?time and crushing or creasing.?Stitch holes also?tend to act as starting points for separation (or delamination)?of the film.?
Once the film starts to crack, the strength of the fabric is reduced locally?and the cracking spreads. If the aircraft is flown with these cracks in the fabric?the airflow can easily peel away the film, de laminating the skins. The Dacron taffeta, without the film attached,?has very low strict resistance and allows air to easily flow through it.
For these reasons Wingtech does not offer or recommend Profile 180 for and ultralight aircraft skins. We?only offer?replacement skins made with?Dacron. It has the same range of colours, good porosity values and?a much longer service life. It?represents better value for our customers.?
Regards
Alan Daniel
WINGTECH?
On Sunday, 15 November 2015, Michael Coates mcoates@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] < X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> wrote:
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Yes, i have seen this and this is why we dont buy
it anymore..... Alan is the fabric expert, hopefully he can
comment.
palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/11/2015 3:52 PM:
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Seamus,
Michael, Eric, anyone ever had a?problem with ultralamm delaminating while
being stored inside for several years? John ?
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To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
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As far as I know yes,
you need to get your inspector to check
with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
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From?Info I got from Dimension Polyant in Germany
when we first approved the Hawk in UK/Ireland, was that Profile LL 180g/m?
?primary use was windsurfers.
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At the time all I was interested in was finding out what
its life span would be like and what actually was it made off as we kept being
referred to it as Mylar.
?
Profile LL is actually polyester (Dacron) you have?a
polyester cloth with a clear polyester based?mylar?film bonded to it,
hence the name.
?
It seems that it is fine on flat surfaces once you pull it
around corners you have the problems of cracking and de laminating.
?
Its a pity because when it is new it is really
nice.
?
Seamus
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Xair Hawk
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Thanks
Alan and Michael! Mine seems (the Mylar) to still be soft and?pliable and
not showing holes or cracks, perhaps because not being flown or any UV
exposure. I was hoping some kind of fix would be available but looks as
if?replacement is the answer.
Strange however, is the fact it is only on the left and right side of the
fuselage being considerably?worse on the right and none on the other
parts of the A/C. Thanks again, John
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>From: Alan Daniel alanwingtech@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To:
X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2015
3:50 am
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
Whilst I wouldn't call myself an expert, I have had experience with the
laminate used on some X-Air standard and F models, and hope I can?shed
some light here.
It is often mistakenly identified as?Ultralam but this is incorrect,
it?is actually a Dimension Polyant cloth called Profile 180. This is a
basic laminate of Dacron and mylar film which has none of the UV resistant
properties of Ultralam which was used on later model Thrusters.
Profile 180?has some good qualities - zero porosity, light weight,
and a?range of colours among them.?Unfortunately most of its stretch
resistance is due to the film part of the laminate. This?can get brittle
and crack?with UV exposure,?time and crushing or
creasing.?Stitch holes also?tend to act as starting points for
separation (or delamination)?of the film.?
Once the film starts to crack, the strength of the fabric is reduced
locally?and the cracking spreads. If the aircraft is flown with these
cracks in the fabric?the airflow can easily peel away the film, de
laminating the skins. The Dacron taffeta, without the film attached,?has
very low strict resistance and allows air to easily flow through it.
For these reasons Wingtech does not offer or recommend Profile 180 for
and ultralight aircraft skins. We?only offer?replacement skins made
with?Dacron. It has the same range of colours, good porosity values
and?a much longer service life. It?represents better value for our
customers.?
Regards
Alan Daniel
WINGTECH? On Sunday, 15 November 2015, Michael Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] < X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> wrote:
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Yes, i have seen this and this is why we dont buy it
anymore..... Alan is the fabric expert, hopefully he can
comment.
palmettoe@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
wrote on 15/11/2015 3:52 PM:
?
Seamus, Michael, Eric,
anyone ever had a?problem with
ultralamm delaminating while being stored inside for several years? John
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To:
X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent:
Sat, Nov 14, 2015 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair
Hawk
?
?
As far as I know yes, you need to get your inspector
to check with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
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8:13 PM
Subject: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft
Xair Hawk
?
Can I fit a parachute to the Xair Hawk in
Ireland?
--
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Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5568 7770
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
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we dont have any ultralam on our Hawks mainly?the
Mylar as the indians call it, which does delaminate and also prone to mildew due
to the damp conditions in Ireland
?
Seamus
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Xair Hawk
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Seamus, Michael, Eric, anyone
ever had a?problem with ultralamm
delaminating while being stored inside for several years? John
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Sent:
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Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair
Hawk
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As far as I know yes, you need to get your inspector to
check with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk delaminating
No knowledge of the X-Air, but one wing cover on a C42 delaminated
almost immediately after fitting, the other was fine.
Mo.
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Seamus,
Michael, Eric, anyone ever had a?problem with ultralamm
delaminating while being stored inside for several
years? John ?
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
Thanks Alan and Michael! Mine seems (the Mylar) to still be soft and?pliable and not showing holes or cracks, perhaps because not being flown or any UV exposure. I was hoping some kind of fix would be available but looks as if?replacement is the answer. Strange however, is the fact it is only on the left and right side of the fuselage being considerably?worse on the right and none on the other parts of the A/C. Thanks again, John
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From: Alan Daniel alanwingtech@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2015 3:50 am
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
Whilst I wouldn't call myself an expert, I have had experience with the laminate used on some X-Air standard and F models, and hope I can?shed some light here.
It is often mistakenly identified as?Ultralam but this is incorrect, it?is actually a Dimension Polyant cloth called Profile 180. This is a basic laminate of Dacron and mylar film which has none of the UV resistant properties of Ultralam which was used on later model Thrusters.
Profile 180?has some good qualities - zero porosity, light weight, and a?range of colours among them.?Unfortunately most of its stretch resistance is due to the film part of the laminate. This?can get brittle and crack?with UV exposure,?time and crushing or creasing.?Stitch holes also?tend to act as starting points for separation (or delamination)?of the film.?
Once the film starts to crack, the strength of the fabric is reduced locally?and the cracking spreads. If the aircraft is flown with these cracks in the fabric?the airflow can easily peel away the film, de laminating the skins. The Dacron taffeta, without the film attached,?has very low strict resistance and allows air to easily flow through it.
For these reasons Wingtech does not offer or recommend Profile 180 for and ultralight aircraft skins. We?only offer?replacement skins made with?Dacron. It has the same range of colours, good porosity values and?a much longer service life. It?represents better value for our customers.?
Regards
Alan Daniel
WINGTECH?
On Sunday, 15 November 2015, Michael Coates mcoates@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] < X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> wrote:
?
Yes, i have seen this and this is why we dont buy
it anymore..... Alan is the fabric expert, hopefully he can
comment.
palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/11/2015 3:52 PM:
?
Seamus,
Michael, Eric, anyone ever had a?problem with ultralamm delaminating while
being stored inside for several years? John ?
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Seamus O'Donnell' etronics@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
?
As far as I know yes,
you need to get your inspector to check
with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
-----
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Sent:
Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject:
X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
Can I fit a parachute to the
Xair Hawk in Ireland?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5568 7770
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
Whilst I wouldn't call myself an expert, I have had experience with the laminate used on some X-Air standard and F models, and hope I can?shed some light here.
It is often mistakenly identified as?Ultralam but this is incorrect, it?is actually a Dimension Polyant cloth called Profile 180. This is a basic laminate of Dacron and mylar film which has none of the UV resistant properties of Ultralam which was used on later model Thrusters.
Profile 180?has some good qualities - zero porosity, light weight, and a?range of colours among them.?Unfortunately most of its stretch resistance is due to the film part of the laminate. This?can get brittle and crack?with UV exposure,?time and crushing or creasing.?Stitch holes also?tend to act as starting points for separation (or delamination)?of the film.? Once the film starts to crack, the strength of the fabric is reduced locally?and the cracking spreads. If the aircraft is flown with these cracks in the fabric?the airflow can easily peel away the film, de laminating the skins. The Dacron taffeta, without the film attached,?has very low strict resistance and allows air to easily flow through it.
For these reasons Wingtech does not offer or recommend Profile 180 for and ultralight aircraft skins. We?only offer?replacement skins made with?Dacron. It has the same range of colours, good porosity values and?a much longer service life. It?represents better value for our customers.?
Regards Alan Daniel
?
Yes, i have seen this and this is why we dont buy
it anymore..... Alan is the fabric expert, hopefully he can
comment.
palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/11/2015 3:52 PM:
?
Seamus,
Michael, Eric, anyone ever had a?problem with ultralamm delaminating while
being stored inside for several years? John ?
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Seamus O'Donnell' etronics@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
?
As far as I know yes,
you need to get your inspector to check
with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject:
X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
Can I fit a parachute to the
Xair Hawk in Ireland?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5568 7770
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
Yes, i have seen this and this is why we dont buy
it anymore..... Alan is the fabric expert, hopefully he can
comment.
palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/11/2015 3:52 PM:
?
Seamus,
Michael, Eric, anyone ever had a?problem with ultralamm delaminating while
being stored inside for several years? John ?
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From: 'Seamus O'Donnell' etronics@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
?
As far as I know yes,
you need to get your inspector to check
with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
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Sent:
Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject:
X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
Can I fit a parachute to the
Xair Hawk in Ireland?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5568 7770
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
Installed , (fuselage) Hanuman
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Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2015 12:52 am
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
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Seamus, Michael, Eric, anyone ever had a?problem with ultralamm delaminating while being stored inside for several years? John ?
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Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
?
As far as I know yes, you need to get your inspector to
check with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
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Subject: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair
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Seamus, Michael, Eric, anyone ever had a?problem with ultralamm delaminating while being stored inside for several years? John ?
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To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
?
?
As far as I know yes, you need to get your inspector to
check with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:13
PM
Subject: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair
Hawk
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Can I fit a parachute to the Xair Hawk in Ireland?
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
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As far as I know yes, you need to get your inspector to
check with NMAI tech office
?
Seamus
?
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
Well I did in the USA, good fit! Brand new, never flown, 32 grand, John
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Subject: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Xair Hawk
Hi Simon
The fuselage has a flap behind the P2 seat as you will know. ?There are I understand that there are Hawks flying in France flying with BRS chutes. ?The thing to find out is are there any Hawks flying in Germany with chutes.
There are two schools of thought about BRS, the first is that a good pilot does not need a BRS as training should provide the pilot to make a successful forced landing, rather like the Generals views of pilots and flying during the First World War. ?The second is that BRS is a step forward in safety and is now widely fitted and deployment has saved many lives. ?I think the odds on walking away unaided from a BRS forced landing are around the 99% mark were as a forced landing without a BRS the walk away figure is really slim.
It must be noted that the C42, Skyranger and CT can carry BRS. ?Looks to me like the Hawk is behind in today's market!!!
I am firmly of the opinion that the legislation 'industry' should really facilitate the fitting of BRS to all aircraft below the 600kg limit ASAP.
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: OPAC or Dacron Skins on a Hawk
OK thanks Michael, I’ve just emailed him. ? Regards Simon ?
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Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: OPAC or Dacron Skins on a Hawk? ? Sorry i know nothing about these, sounds expensive when you mention 'Titanium' - Alan Daniels from Wingtech will know, he has made his living at making aircraft fabric for at least 20 years that i know of ! simon@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 10/11/2015 5:28 PM: ? Michael, many thanks for the advise. I'll just replace all the skins. Do you know anything about the OPEC skins with?titanium dioxide coating??
-- With regards,??? Michael Coates Company Director X-Air Australia Gold Coast, Australia. AU +61 7 5568 7770 USA +1 213 984 1237 ? PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 ? mailto:mcoates@... ? skype name:?? xcomavionics ? Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do.? Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. ? Main Web Site:? XCOM Web Site:? Pipistrel Web Site:? ? Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. ? "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return." ? ? ?
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Sorry i know nothing about these, sounds expensive when you mention 'Titanium' - Alan
Daniels from Wingtech will know, he has made his living at making aircraft fabric for at least 20 years that
i know of !
simon@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 10/11/2015 5:28 PM:
Michael, many thanks for the advise. I'll just replace
all the skins. Do you know anything about the OPEC skins
withtitanium
dioxide coating?
regards,
Simon
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Re: OPAC or Dacron Skins on a Hawk
Michael, many thanks for the advise. I'll just replace all the skins. Do you know anything about the OPEC skins with? titanium
dioxide coating??
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft OPAC or Dacron Skins on a Hawk
Hello Alan, currently in
Europe at the Pipistrel factory for training etc, back to AU end
November for aircraft deliveries but at the moment all is going
well. Thanks Michael
Alan Daniel alanwingtech@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 10/11/2015 6:45 AM:
Thanks Michael - I've also been in touch, but the more
the merrier.
Hope things are going OK for you.
Cheers
Alan
On 10/11/2015 6:57 AM, Michael
Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote:
Wingtech do a great job in AU and have done about 10
sets already. CAA approved manufacturers so a known
job with paperwork trail. If some fabric has failed
the rest is on the way out and ready to go. they all
follow each other.
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l'm looking advise onwhether I should
replace all the skins on a 2007 Xair Hawk. The
flaps, ailerons, and horizontal tail section
failed the betts test but the fuselage, wings and
fin passed with1350
gm.
Also
can anyone recommend skins made by Maniasoft in
Canada? or any other suggests where to buy them
would be welcome?
thanks
Simon
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft OPAC or Dacron Skins on a Hawk
?Cool . I work in Reynosa Mexico. If you ever come through the McAllen TX ?area drop me a line. Nolton
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I fly a Rutan long Ez out of AXH (Houston Southwest) and an xair standard in Mexico south of Guadalajara.
On Monday, November 9, 2015, Nolton Beale?nonobeale@...?[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] <X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> wrote:
?Yep I just checked the invoice again. We did use some Colors he had in stock. There was also a guy out of California that makes them but he needed our existing sails for a pattern. That told me he had never made them before. The guy in Canada said he had done 8 or 10 previous sets. I guess we called him when he needed some work. It would be a good idea to replace them all at one time,as someone ?has already pointed out. And the guy in Australia sounds like a good possibility if shipping does not kill you. I am in deep south Texas .Where are you located?
They just quoted me 3500 used plus shipping. You say you paid 2600.??
On Monday, November 9, 2015, Nolton Beale?nonobeale@...?[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] <X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> wrote:
?I just replaced all the sails on my X-Ait standard ?and it was $2600 usd . It would be a whole lot cheaper to replace just what needed replacing. And yes we did use?Maniasoft in Canada but we have not reinstalled them yet. It looks like a good job and he was easy to deal with. Nolton
On Nov 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, ?simon@...?[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] < X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> wrote:
l'm looking advise on?whether I should replace all the skins on a 2007 Xair Hawk. The flaps, ailerons, and horizontal tail section failed ?the betts test but the fuselage, wings and fin passed with?1350 gm.?
Also can anyone recommend skins made by Maniasoft in Canada? or any other suggests where to buy them would be welcome?
thanks
Simon
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