Many thanks to everyone who responded to my enquiry.
The need for a handbrake arises because I sometimes have the luxury of using a vast tarmac aerodrome , the downside of which is that the parking area slopes sharply and the aircraft won't stop long enough for me to exit !
Huw
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Re: Standard Xair handbrake ?
I don't know of one as such but I built a X-Air standard and modified my brake drum system so that I could use a single lever, I'm a wheelchair pilot and I fly in the right seat and wanting to leave the standard toe brakes as they are so I drilled a second hole and fitted a double cable on each side so I have my single lever and the toe brakes are standard assembly, you could do the same but mount it to a hand brake lever so you have both systems.
the threaded ends and extra brake cable I purchased from a push bike shop just so you know :) I attached a picture of the hub I modified
cheers Pete ??
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Standard Xair handbrake ?
?
There was a handbrake kit available at one time made in
uk, it was a UK requirement by the BMAA for versions that had a pull start
rather than electric start.
That is why it is detailed in the UK Section S mod
book??(available to download on my site )
?
It was a fairly?clumsy over centre lever screwed to
the floor that pulled two extras cables fitted to the brake levers, not many
were fitted.
?
Seamus
?
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AM
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft
Standard Xair handbrake ?
?
Hello
Huw,
I
noted in the UK Modification Book (Revised 08/03) that Optional Modification
number 18 is a Parking Brake. In the description of the modification is this
statement:? "If you are fitting an engine with a pull start then a
parking brake kit may be purchased from Xair."
I
therefore wrote to the UK Agent, Wessex Light Aviation Co in August 2010
enquiring the availability of a Modification Kit.? This
is the reply,
"Unfortunately there are no modification kits for the brakes you have asked
about. You can do your own modifications and submit them to the BMAA but this
can be a long and difficult route to take!!!
Sorry I
cannot help further
Best
regards”
I didn't pursue this 'nice to have in
case I go to a hard runway' idea further.
Why write
that a kit was available yet on enquiry, it wasn't?? It was most
unprofessional of a company which must have been holding CAA Authorisations to
be kit providers and UK Engineering Authority.? I was very disappointed
and since that only e-mail exchange, I had nothing further to do with them,
sourcing my parts instead from the European Agent in
France.
So Huw, may I
suggest having a read of Optional Modification 18 which gives one a diagram of
how the additional brake system works and proceed from there?? I don't
remember now where I got the Modification Book as it didn't come with the
aircraft when I bought it.? You could try asking here:?
or Seamus'
site in Ireland:? ? where you
follow every X'air button until you come to a page with 4 columns of links
then in the second column, select Downloads.? The UK Mod book is in
column one there.
I hope that
helps a bit.
John
B
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Standard Xair handbrake ?
Yes, every single on came with toe brakes from as long as i can
remember which is before 1996-97
Aziz Musa upperglass747@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017 12:51 PM:
?
Did they all come with toe brakes from day one?
?
That's not original, i have never seen it before.
Aziz Musa upperglass747@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017
11:14 AM:
?
I fly a 2003 year of manufacture that came
with a brake handle between the seats that when
pulled applies brakes to both wheels.
?
I am not aware they ever made a handbrake
??
Huw
lloyd-hughes huwlh999@...
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27/07/2017 10:07 AM:
?
Hi, can
anyone give me information on the
availability of a retrofit handbrake
for the standard Xair ( built in
2000 in UK ) please ?
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Standard Xair handbrake ?
Hello Huw,
I noted in the UK Modification Book (Revised 08/03) that Optional Modification number 18 is a Parking Brake. In the description of the modification is this statement:? "If you are fitting an engine with a pull start then a parking brake kit may be purchased from Xair."
I therefore wrote to the UK Agent, Wessex Light Aviation Co in August 2010 enquiring the availability of a Modification Kit.? This
is
the reply, "Unfortunately there are no modification kits for the
brakes you have asked about. You can do your own modifications and
submit them to the BMAA but this can be a long and difficult route to
take!!!
Sorry
I cannot help further
Best
regards”
I didn't pursue this 'nice to have in case I go to a hard runway' idea further.
Why write that a kit was available yet on enquiry, it wasn't?? It was most unprofessional of a company which must have been holding CAA Authorisations to be kit providers and UK Engineering Authority.? I was very disappointed and since that only e-mail exchange, I had nothing further to do with them, sourcing my parts instead from the European Agent in France.
So
Huw, may I suggest having a read of Optional Modification 18 which
gives one a diagram of how the additional brake system works and proceed from there?? I don't remember now where I got the Modification Book as it didn't come with the aircraft when I bought it.? You could try asking here:?
or Seamus' site in Ireland:? ? where you follow every X'air button until you come to a page with 4 columns of links then in the second column, select Downloads.? The UK Mod book is in column one there.
I hope that helps a bit.
John B
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Standard Xair handbrake ?
I fitted a rachet type handbrake between seats and was noted by the bmaa about that time. I may still have the drawings. It does take some engineering if you have the facilities Steve Rance Sent from my Huawei Mobile
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Standard Xair handbrake ? From: "Huw lloyd-hughes huwlh999@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]" To: x-air_ultralight_aircraft@... CC:
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Hi, can anyone give me information on the availability of a retrofit handbrake for the standard Xair ( built in 2000 in UK ) please ?
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Standard Xair handbrake ?
Unless he is
referring to the incapacitated pilot mods, which put all the
controls on or close to the sticks, Michael?
Bill
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Aziz Musa upperglass747@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017 11:14 AM:
?
I fly a 2003 year of manufacture that came with a brake
handle between the seats that when pulled applies brakes to
both wheels.
?
I am not aware they ever made a handbrake ??
Huw lloyd-hughes huwlh999@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017 10:07
AM:
?
Hi, can anyone give me
information on the availability of a retrofit
handbrake for the standard Xair ( built in 2000
in UK ) please ?
--
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Gold Coast, Australia.
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Did they all come with toe brakes from day one?
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That's not original, i have never seen it before.
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[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017 11:14 AM:
?
I fly a 2003 year of manufacture that came with a brake
handle between the seats that when pulled applies brakes
to both wheels.
?
I am not aware they ever made a handbrake ??
Huw lloyd-hughes huwlh999@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017
10:07 AM:
?
Hi, can anyone give
me information on the availability of a
retrofit handbrake for the standard Xair (
built in 2000 in UK ) please ?
--
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Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Standard Xair handbrake ?
That's not original, i have never seen it before.
Aziz Musa upperglass747@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017 11:14 AM:
?
I fly a 2003 year of manufacture that came with a brake
handle between the seats that when pulled applies brakes
to both wheels.
?
I am not aware they ever made a handbrake ??
Huw lloyd-hughes huwlh999@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017
10:07 AM:
?
Hi, can anyone give
me information on the availability of a
retrofit handbrake for the standard Xair (
built in 2000 in UK ) please ?
--
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Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
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I fly a 2003 year of manufacture that came with a brake handle between the seats that when pulled applies brakes to both wheels.
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?
I am not aware they ever made a handbrake ??
Huw lloyd-hughes huwlh999@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017 10:07 AM:
?
Hi,
can anyone give me information on the availability of a
retrofit handbrake for the standard Xair ( built in 2000
in UK ) please ?
--
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I am not aware they ever made a handbrake ??
Huw lloyd-hughes huwlh999@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 27/07/2017 10:07 AM:
?
Hi,
can anyone give me information on the availability of a
retrofit handbrake for the standard Xair ( built in 2000
in UK ) please ?
--
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Standard Xair handbrake ?
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft BRS in X'air F
Here are some photos that was sent to me yesterday, this is the
best of everything because it has a soft packed parachute
basically inside the wing and out of the airflow and the rocket is
away from the fuel tank area. This would be in my opinion the best
installation and again you are on the C of G point
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
I recall working on fitting the battery in the xair F tail and getting it load tested and approved in UK. It was the only way we could achieve the C of G when fitting a heavier Verner or Rotax 912. The down side was the length, diameter and weight of battery cables required to reduce the voltage drop on starting the current hungry Verner. Take note when doing C&G calculations. If you need to bring battery forward the I'm sure I still have some keel tube battery boxes in my roof space. ( saddle bag style)
Steve
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?
?
Yes, I can see advantages and disadvantages in
both systems. The idea of detonating a rocket a few cm from a plastic fuel tank
is something that doesn't appeal. I believe the theory is that the rocket
exhaust is contained within the tube while it is within the airframe, however I
can imagine if there is any vapour at all things will end badly.
?
re C of G , they don't show where the chute
goes, its probably packed in a fabric holder and it may well be mounted between
the wings thus balancing the Cof G with the rocket.
?
There is also quite a bit of scope for C of G
adjustment as currently the battery is mounted in the tail as far back as it
will go. If I needed to tip the C of G forward I can simply move the battery
along the fuse tube or perhaps replace it with a lithium one.
?
The rocket exhaust problem is not so easily
solved. Perhaps some sort of fire blanket or at least a metal deflector. Perhaps
the trisk is lower than it looks as there are many aircraft with similar
installations and so far despite many deployments nobody has ignited a fuel
tank.
?
?
regards,
?
Jon
?
?
?
?
Thats only the rocket, not the complete chute.
It's pointing STRAIGHT at the fuel tanks ????? Something i dont
understand. The idea with the system we use is the distance from the fuel tanks
is more than 1 meter and no chance of an accident.? There are several ways
to mount the chute but the way we use puts it right on the cofg of the aircraft.
In the back like shown on your photo would need a lot of weight up
front.
'Jonathan Webb'
avia1or01@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 6:29
PM:
?
?
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly the system used in
Australia is quite different to that in Europe. After a bit of research I
found an image on the German X?�?air agent? which shows their
system? housed internally:-
?
http://xair-wing.de/
?
( Picture No 6 )
?
?
?
I think that system is available from the factory in France so I am
currently making enquiries in that direction.
?
?
regards,
?
Jonathan
?
UK X?�?air F 912
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
?
Yes, I can see advantages and disadvantages in
both systems. The idea of detonating a rocket a few cm from a plastic fuel tank
is something that doesn't appeal. I believe the theory is that the rocket
exhaust is contained within the tube while it is within the airframe, however I
can imagine if there is any vapour at all things will end badly.
?
re C of G , they don't show where the chute
goes, its probably packed in a fabric holder and it may well be mounted between
the wings thus balancing the Cof G with the rocket.
?
There is also quite a bit of scope for C of G
adjustment as currently the battery is mounted in the tail as far back as it
will go. If I needed to tip the C of G forward I can simply move the battery
along the fuse tube or perhaps replace it with a lithium one.
?
The rocket exhaust problem is not so easily
solved. Perhaps some sort of fire blanket or at least a metal deflector. Perhaps
the trisk is lower than it looks as there are many aircraft with similar
installations and so far despite many deployments nobody has ignited a fuel
tank.
?
?
regards,
?
Jon
?
?
?
?
Thats only the rocket, not the complete chute.
It's pointing STRAIGHT at the fuel tanks ????? Something i dont
understand. The idea with the system we use is the distance from the fuel tanks
is more than 1 meter and no chance of an accident.? There are several ways
to mount the chute but the way we use puts it right on the cofg of the aircraft.
In the back like shown on your photo would need a lot of weight up
front.
'Jonathan Webb'
avia1or01@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 6:29
PM:
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?
?
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly the system used in
Australia is quite different to that in Europe. After a bit of research I
found an image on the German X?�?air agent? which shows their
system? housed internally:-
?
?
( Picture No 6 )
?
?
?
I think that system is available from the factory in France so I am
currently making enquiries in that direction.
?
?
regards,
?
Jonathan
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UK X?�?air F 912
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
Thats only the rocket, not the complete chute. It's pointing
STRAIGHT at the fuel tanks ????? Something i dont understand. The
idea with the system we use is the distance from the fuel tanks is
more than 1 meter and no chance of an accident.? There are several
ways to mount the chute but the way we use puts it right on the
cofg of the aircraft. In the back like shown on your photo would
need a lot of weight up front.
'Jonathan Webb' avia1or01@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 6:29 PM:
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Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly
the system used in Australia is quite different to
that in Europe. After a bit of research I found an
image on the German X?�?air agent? which shows their
system? housed internally:-
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( Picture No 6 )
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I think that system is available from the factory
in France so I am currently making enquiries in that
direction.
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regards,
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Jonathan
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UK X?�?air F 912
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
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Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly the system used in
Australia is quite different to that in Europe. After a bit of research I found
an image on the German X’air agent? which shows their system? housed
internally:-
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( Picture No 6 )
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I think that system is available from the factory in France so I am
currently making enquiries in that direction.
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regards,
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Jonathan
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UK X’air F 912
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
But not the 912, sorry
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From: Michael Coates mcoates@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
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Hello John, is after an engine mount for a standard X-Air not the
H model but it is good to know that you have one for the H model
anyway. Do you have the modified engine cowls to suit ?
John palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 9:28 AM:
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I have a new
factory 912 mount for the H model if interested, make
offer, I am in the USA, John
-----Original
Message-----
From: Michael Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air
F [3 Attachments]
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[Attachment(s)
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gally_355@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on
14/05/2017 8:44 PM:
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Hi Jon,
In Australia my X-Air MTOW is 490kg
my aircraft empty weight is 260kg
I actually purchased a 912 I wanted
to install in it rather than the 582...
not sure yet as it seems hard to get a
912 engine mount grrr
with a chute added I know the weight
here can be more,?
the ones I seen have a mount to clamp
the external bullet looking chute to the
main boom then has the straps bolted to
the frame... I'm sure a google search
will find some extra info but if not
look at the assembly manual as it shows
the BRS mounting :)?
I
would be very keen to see some close
up pictures of your 912 mounting
a mate of mine just purchased a X-Air
with a jabiru 2200 and a BRS fitted.. I
will get a pic or two and show you his
one, I dont think you will need to
bother covering the fuel tanks as the
rock et is above and outside the
aircraft frame..
cheers Pete?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
The factory modified ones for the 2200, yes.
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From: Michael Coates mcoates@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
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Hello John, is after an engine mount for a standard X-Air not the
H model but it is good to know that you have one for the H model
anyway. Do you have the modified engine cowls to suit ?
John palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 9:28 AM:
?
I have a new
factory 912 mount for the H model if interested, make
offer, I am in the USA, John
-----Original
Message-----
From: Michael Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air
F [3 Attachments]
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[Attachment(s)
from Michael Coates included below]
gally_355@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on
14/05/2017 8:44 PM:
?
Hi Jon,
In Australia my X-Air MTOW is 490kg
my aircraft empty weight is 260kg
I actually purchased a 912 I wanted
to install in it rather than the 582...
not sure yet as it seems hard to get a
912 engine mount grrr
with a chute added I know the weight
here can be more,?
the ones I seen have a mount to clamp
the external bullet looking chute to the
main boom then has the straps bolted to
the frame... I'm sure a google search
will find some extra info but if not
look at the assembly manual as it shows
the BRS mounting :)?
I
would be very keen to see some close
up pictures of your 912 mounting
a mate of mine just purchased a X-Air
with a jabiru 2200 and a BRS fitted.. I
will get a pic or two and show you his
one, I dont think you will need to
bother covering the fuel tanks as the
rock et is above and outside the
aircraft frame..
cheers Pete?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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skype name: xcomavionics
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Gold Coast, Australia.
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
Hello John, is after an engine mount for a standard X-Air not the
H model but it is good to know that you have one for the H model
anyway. Do you have the modified engine cowls to suit ?
John palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 9:28 AM:
?
I have a new
factory 912 mount for the H model if interested, make
offer, I am in the USA, John
-----Original
Message-----
From: Michael Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air
F [3 Attachments]
?
[Attachment(s)
from Michael Coates included below]
gally_355@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on
14/05/2017 8:44 PM:
?
Hi Jon,
In Australia my X-Air MTOW is 490kg
my aircraft empty weight is 260kg
I actually purchased a 912 I wanted
to install in it rather than the 582...
not sure yet as it seems hard to get a
912 engine mount grrr
with a chute added I know the weight
here can be more,?
the ones I seen have a mount to clamp
the external bullet looking chute to the
main boom then has the straps bolted to
the frame... I'm sure a google search
will find some extra info but if not
look at the assembly manual as it shows
the BRS mounting :)?
I
would be very keen to see some close
up pictures of your 912 mounting
a mate of mine just purchased a X-Air
with a jabiru 2200 and a BRS fitted.. I
will get a pic or two and show you his
one, I dont think you will need to
bother covering the fuel tanks as the
rock et is above and outside the
aircraft frame..
cheers Pete?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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skype name: xcomavionics
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With regards, Michael Coates
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Gold Coast, Australia.
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USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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