Cool --that's a nice area to ride in!? :)
In a message dated 7/7/2007 10:55:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fatstringme@... writes:
And to answer you Rose, I'm in southern Calvert and St. Mary's county
area, so way south Maryland.
Thanks for the responses,
fatstring
Rrrose.
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
Dennis,
The "trick" part of the 270 crank for the XS 650 isn't the crank, its a two piece and can be disassembled and rotated..the pins line up at 270..no 180 though, the trick is the cam chaft that goes with the kit.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: "Dennis J. Guggemos" <djguggms@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:11:40 -0700
James
The cancelled New Norton 962(may be off on the cc's) ended up as a 270 crank, they claimed it ran smoother than a 360 crank.
Dennis
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
My two stroke twins have all been 180 cranks, since a two stroke fires every
revolution, would just be two singles if they wer a 360 crank (Ossa's 500
was a 360 crank, but I never rode one of those).
Honda's CA 72/77 Dreams, and the 125/150 Benlys were 360 crank, single carb
bikes for sure, and I think that the 1968 - 1976 CB 350/360s, CB/CL
were..but I would have to look that up. I think, also from memory, that the
CB 160/175s, Twin Stars (ugh), Rebels and Nighthawk 250s were also 360
cranks.
Honda's CB 72/77 Hawk/Super Hawk were 180 cranks as were the original DOHC
CB 450s. I had a newer 450 Hawk..the 3 valve per cylinder SOHC thing, which
I think had a 360 (ugly appliance looking engine, unlike the original 450
which had one of the best looking motorcycle engines ever in my opinion).
180s for a small "revver" 4 stroke seems appropriate to me.
Yamaha's XS 650 came with a 360, but there is an an Australian made 270
crank that is getting a lot of attention on their site. Supposed to be
smoother, better power delivery..never rode one with that crank though.
James Franklin
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I am never on my W when I come accross another one....besides in the showroom, I can't remember seeing two of them in one place. With litterally thousands of bikes in Daytona, I saw only one other W, and we were going in opposite directions. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Tachokay@... Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Today... Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:18:50 EDT Dude! My Dub, of course! In a message dated 7/7/2007 5:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimw650@... writes:
For this chance encounter, were you on your W or V-Star?
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At the moment I'm watching the Tour De France
much of which is on the roads I ride on my commute to work
I'm off on the CB to Cornwall on Tuesday to look at
the rain down there. :)
Dick
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First off to all that replied about the mpg weirdness: no, I'm fat as ever, still revving it pretty good, and I think I've the only key. But I bought the bike here in Maryland, so maybe it's just happy to be back. And to answer you Rose, I'm in southern Calvert and St. Mary's county area, so way south Maryland. Thanks for the responses, fatstring --- In W650riders@..., Tachokay@... wrote:
But of course! Whereabouts did you move to??
In a message dated 7/7/2007 2:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fatstringme@... writes:
Also I guess I like to be included on any PA/MD/VA rides or get
togethers if y'all don't mind.
thanks,
fatstring
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??? Does anyone have access to your key ??
This reminds me of the father of a friend of mine. Back in the 60's he got rid of a big car with a V8 and bought a VW Beetle. He was being "ribbed" at work about his little car and would?justify himself by bragging about his great fuel mileage. ?Several of his co workers got together and started bringing pint bottles of gasoline to work and pouring it into his tank. He was soon bragging about getting 80-90MPG out of this amazing little car !
? After a couple of weeks they reversed the joke and started siphoning a gallon a day out of his tank.
? They toataly blew his mind and when the "smoke cleared" they all had a good laugh about a fairly harmless joke.?? Thanks for the memories !
Pete Cordell wrote: Extreme diet? Whoops, no, that sounds like too much of a Dennis answer.... Well then...riding slower? No more strong Texas headwinds? Austin gas pumps were shortchanging you? Better gas out here? Finally checked your tire pressure? Have no idea really. Heck, maybe your W is just happier out east breathing in that good ocean air... Pete C --- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "fatstringme" ...> wrote: > > So I unpacked the W after our move and put oil into it and filled the tank. Ran about 100 > miles two-up
(read: low rpms so as not to scare the wife), and filled the tank up again. Did > the math and got about 45 mpg (up from an average 35'ish). Next tank full was all me alone > riding to/from work. Did 103 and filled up with 2.048 gallons. So about 50 mpg. I didn't > change anything except moved from Austin (about 600 feet above sea level, where I was > getting 35 mpg) to out here at the Chesepeake bay area which I assume is roughly +1 or so > feet above sea level. Was I running rich in Austin and went lean here? Doesn't seem like > enough altitude change for that drastic a mpg change. > Also I guess I like to be included on any PA/MD/VA rides or get togethers if y'all don't mind. > thanks, > fatstring >
We won't tell. Get more on (and love to hate):
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Dude!? My Dub, of course!
In a message dated 7/7/2007 5:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimw650@... writes:
For this chance encounter, were you on your W or V-Star?
Rrrose.
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But of course!? Whereabouts did you move to??
In a message dated 7/7/2007 2:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fatstringme@... writes:
Also I guess I like to be included on any PA/MD/VA rides or get togethers if y'all don't mind.
thanks,
fatstring
Rrrose.
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For this chance encounter, were you on your W or V-Star?
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: Tachokay@...
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: tjhalstead@..., W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Today...
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:49:28 EDT
So I was riding on MacArthur Blvd this afternoon, and some dude wanted to
turn left onto a street I was going to turn right into. I kinda did a double
take at the front of his bike, it looked so familiar... He turned onto the street
right behind me and followed me for several miles. I kept looking in my
rear-view... Dang, that bike profile looked familiar! We finally pulled up at a
light, and I looked over at his bike -- Nice Bike, I said. Likewise, he said!
His name is TJ, he lives in DC, he bought his 2000 Dub last year from someone
in Frederick, and he didn't know about this group -- so I told him. I sure
hope I wrote down his e-mail addy correctly!
That was so cool! There's no mods on his bike that I noticed, either, and
it's pristine. Not like my poor SAKI who's feeling her 50K miles! :)
So that's my excitement for today.
Rrrose.
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Re: Was. bring back the w650 to the us - Petition. Now ER6 versys
Damn, where did I leave that other disc..... Pete In W650riders@..., "Dennis J. Guggemos" <djguggms@...> wrote:
Pete
Should be twin discs up front.
Dennis
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From: petetibble
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Was. bring back the w650 to the us -
Petition. Now ER6 versys
Had to take my W in for its MOT test this morning, so while I
was waiting I took the Versys demonstrator out for a blat.
Wow, very nice bike. Certainly a lot quicker than the W even if
lacking the lovely gruntyness; but what really hit me was just how planted it felt on the road. Absolutely rock steady. And the single front disc is in a whole different league.
I was very enthused, but as I don't have ?4395 (what a bargain!) to hand I was very pleased that my W still felt pretty damn good when I got back on it. The W seems tiny in comparison though; I felt so
much more visible on top of that flame orange Versys!
If I can ever afford a second bike again I reckon that'll be it.
Pete
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Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
Drain, seals are cheaper to replace than jets.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
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808-225-0994 (cell)
From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
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To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:56:36 -0700
I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over
the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate
climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and
there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out
the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep
old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain.
Comments, anyone?
Ruari
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Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA
fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here. Our 5
or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with nothing
done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the oil
etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year.
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The first thing you should do with Amals, is take them off and replace them with Mikunis. Amals are made of the cheapest "pot metal", my younger brother was a Triumph mechanic for a few years, he said that Amals were almost beyond calibrating after 3000 miles because the metal was so soft and they just couldn't get them to match..of course, if you only had one, theres nothing to match. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: <W650riders@...> Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:18:18 +0100 On a brit bike running Amals or something I’d say leave the carbs, but what happens particularly on Jap carbs with loads of small passages and jets is that the gas evaporates and leaves a varnish behind that can block them. Drain, drain, drain… Larry Botheras Essex UK W650 Wrench 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge 1977 KH400 1978 CD175 1994 Ural Solo From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of Ruari McLennan Sent: 07 July 2007 16:57 To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain. Comments, anyone? Ruari ----- Original Message ----- From: <larry.botheras@... <mailto:larry.botheras%40tiscali.co.uk> To: <W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here. Our 5 or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with nothing done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the oil etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year. _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!
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Extreme diet? Whoops, no, that sounds like too much of a Dennis answer.... Well then...riding slower? No more strong Texas headwinds? Austin gas pumps were shortchanging you? Better gas out here? Finally checked your tire pressure? Have no idea really. Heck, maybe your W is just happier out east breathing in that good ocean air... Pete C --- In W650riders@..., "fatstringme" <fatstringme@...> wrote:
So I unpacked the W after our move and put oil into it and filled
the tank. Ran about 100 miles two-up (read: low rpms so as not to scare the wife), and filled the tank up again. Did the math and got about 45 mpg (up from an average 35'ish). Next tank full was all me alone riding to/from work. Did 103 and filled up with 2.048 gallons. So about 50 mpg. I didn't change anything except moved from Austin (about 600 feet above sea level, where I was getting 35 mpg) to out here at the Chesepeake bay area which I assume is roughly +1 or so feet above sea level. Was I running rich in Austin and went lean here? Doesn't seem like enough altitude change for that drastic a mpg change.
Also I guess I like to be included on any PA/MD/VA rides or get togethers if y'all don't mind. thanks,
fatstring
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Re: Fw: Glesgies ode tae Bin Laden
That was funny!
But, Roy my good man, I can see your just not using your time wisely
or constructively enough these days...here, learn something useful
now. For the pub: or, for the next
party you attend:
Good stuff for a wager or two.
Pete C
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Subject: ode tae Bin Laden
'Twas doon by the inch o' Abbots
Oor Johnny walked one day
When he saw a sicht that troubled him
Far more that he could say
A fanatic muslim bastard
Wiz doin what he'd planned
And intae Glesca's departure hall
A Cherokee he'd rammed.
A great big Glesga polis
Came forward tae assist
He thocht "a wummin driver"
Or at least someone half-pissed.
But to his shock nae drunken Jock
Emerged to grasp his hand
But a flamin Arab loony
Frae Al Qaeda's cruel band.
The mad Islamist nut-case
Had set hissel' on fire
And swung oot at ra polis
Tae harm his clear desire
Now that's no richt wur Johnny cried
And sallied tae the fray
A left hook and a heid butt
Required tae save the day.
Now listen up Bin Laden
Yir sort's nae wanted here
For imported English radicals
Us Scoatsman huv nae fear
Oor hame grown Glesca Asians
Will have nae bluidy truck
So tak yer wrldwide jihad
An get yersel tae F***
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So I unpacked the W after our move and put oil into it and filled the tank. Ran about 100
miles two-up (read: low rpms so as not to scare the wife), and filled the tank up again. Did
the math and got about 45 mpg (up from an average 35'ish). Next tank full was all me alone
riding to/from work. Did 103 and filled up with 2.048 gallons. So about 50 mpg. I didn't
change anything except moved from Austin (about 600 feet above sea level, where I was
getting 35 mpg) to out here at the Chesepeake bay area which I assume is roughly +1 or so
feet above sea level. Was I running rich in Austin and went lean here? Doesn't seem like
enough altitude change for that drastic a mpg change.
Also I guess I like to be included on any PA/MD/VA rides or get togethers if y'all don't mind.
thanks,
fatstring
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
James
The cancelled New Norton 962(may be off on the cc's) ended up
as a 270 crank, they claimed it ran smoother than a 360 crank.
?
Dennis
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AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back
the w650 to the us - Petition
My two stroke twins have all been 180 cranks, since a two stroke fires
every
revolution, would just be two singles if they wer a 360 crank
(Ossa's 500
was a 360 crank, but I never rode one of
those).
Honda's CA 72/77 Dreams, and the 125/150 Benlys were 360 crank,
single carb
bikes for sure, and I think that the 1968 - 1976 CB 350/360s,
CB/CL
were..but I would have to look that up. I think, also from memory,
that the
CB 160/175s, Twin Stars (ugh), Rebels and Nighthawk 250s were
also 360
cranks.
Honda's CB 72/77 Hawk/Super Hawk were 180 cranks
as were the original DOHC
CB 450s. I had a newer 450 Hawk..the 3 valve per
cylinder SOHC thing, which
I think had a 360 (ugly appliance looking
engine, unlike the original 450
which had one of the best looking
motorcycle engines ever in my opinion).
180s for a small "revver" 4 stroke
seems appropriate to me.
Yamaha's XS 650 came with a 360, but there is
an an Australian made 270
crank that is getting a lot of attention on
their site. Supposed to be
smoother, better power delivery..never rode one
with that crank though.
James Franklin
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
Interesting BSA A65 that Dick Mann built with a 180?crank
in an attempt to put more power down coming out of corners.
?
I saw this raced in 1971. Impressive.
?
Dennis
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I like the power delivery of a 360 degree twin.
Firing order is important. The reason that Triumphs made such good dirt bikes
is that the firing?angle is symmetrical...every 180 degrees. Bang
chuff bang chuff and so on. Thus you get a regular bang on every revolution,
at the same place...just like a two stroke single....
?
180 degree crank bikes don't have the same
firing,...they're either bang chuff, chuff bang, or bang bang chuff
chuff. It feels different and not entirely 'right' to me.
?
It's like the difference between a 120 degree
triple and a typical four. The Triple always has a totally different
feel...somehow more appropriate to a motorcycle...It might be something
to do with the regularity of power pulses when the bike is at the limit of
traction...I don't really know, but certainly 360 degree twin dirt bikes put
power down in a very controlled way.
?
Four stroke single dirt bikes are better than two
stroke singles at getting power down initially as they punch out of corners
and that is entirely down to the fact that the bikes composure has time to
settle in-between pulses and the regular rhythm?of the pulses allows the rider to 'sense' the rear tyre's behaviour .
360 twins are the same but you need long stroke lower revving?motors to
ensure the pulses are far enough apart.
?
If they could make them light enough, I would not
be surprised to see four stroke 360 degree twins competing again in top level
MX because they make more power than a single with similar bottom end grunt.
?
As you say, you need to add 1000 rpm to
everything...That doesn't work 'off-road' and the edge of that difference
is what I sense 'on-road'.
?
?
I've no doubt your bike??fuels
smoothly, revs higher, makes more power and all that, but?all 180 degree
motors ?'feel' slightly wrong to me...irrespective of build or brand.
?
Jon
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Fw: Glesgies ode tae Bin Laden
?
Aye but ye cannae make up rhymes like
this:
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?
Subject:
ode tae Bin Laden
?
'Twas
doon by the inch o' Abbots
Oor Johnny walked one day
When he saw a
sicht that troubled him
Far more that he could say
A fanatic muslim
bastard
Wiz doin what he'd planned
And intae Glesca's departure
hall
A Cherokee he'd rammed.
A great big Glesga polis
Came
forward tae assist
He thocht "a wummin? driver"
Or at least
someone half-pissed.
But to his shock nae drunken Jock
Emerged to
grasp his hand
But a flamin Arab loony
Frae Al Qaeda's cruel
band.
The mad Islamist nut-case
Had set hissel' on fire
And swung
oot at?ra polis
Tae harm?his clear desire
Now that's no
richt wur Johnny cried
And sallied tae the fray
A left hook and a
heid butt
Required tae save the day.
Now listen up Bin Laden
Yir
sort's nae wanted here
For imported English radicals
Us Scoatsman
huv nae fear
Oor hame grown Glesca Asians
Will have nae bluidy
truck
So tak yer wrldwide jihad
An get yersel tae
F***
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So I was riding on MacArthur Blvd this afternoon, and some dude wanted to turn left onto a street I was going to turn right into.? I kinda did a double take at the front of his bike, it looked so familiar... He turned onto the street right behind me and followed me for several miles.? I kept looking in my rear-view... Dang, that bike profile looked familiar! We finally pulled up at a light, and I looked over at his bike -- Nice Bike, I said. Likewise, he said!
His name is TJ, he lives in DC, he bought his 2000 Dub last year from someone in Frederick, and he didn't know about this group -- so I told him.? I sure hope I wrote down his e-mail addy correctly!
That was so cool!? There's no mods on his bike that I noticed, either, and it's pristine.? Not like my poor SAKI who's feeling her 50K miles!? :)
So that's my excitement for today.
Rrrose.
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Re: How I spent the 4th of July
My first date with my husband was on a RD 350, shortly after though he bought himself a brandnew RD 500 in 1984, this was in Germany and he then brought it back to the US. We moved to Monterey at that time and he actually took it to the track at Laguna Seca. But I always liked the RD 350.
Anita
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I spent my fourth playing with my newest purchase, a 1975 Yamaha RD 350. It
wont run, by the way, without a charged battery, tried it with the old NS
battery and nothing. With the NS battery, and fresh gas (couldn't drain the
bowls without removing carbs because of where the carbs sit, so I just
cranked it through until the bowls were full of fresh gas..and it runs.
While I played with the the '75, my younger brother was taking rust off the
74.
I rode the 75 for
a few hours..then rode it to work on the 5th. These bikes
belonged to a list member (thanks Evan) and it was because of a conversation
about the RDs between me and Jon H that Evan knew I might be interested in
his. So thanks to Jon as well...for now, once this thing starts to get me
in trouble with LEs, all thanks may be recinded.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: Anita Reid
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] How I spent the 4th of July
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT)
Should've stayed in bed. LOL
Anita
Gene Fitch wrote:
LOL! You understand I'm laughing WITH you, not AT you. ;->
Happy 5th Keith. Hope it goes better today. How was the lunch special?
gene in OR
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From: Keith Williams
Let me tell you how I spent the fourth---Before we got out of the
house a kerosine lamp chimney hit the floor, I stepped in dogshit and
tracked it thru the kitchen , and then Maggie decided we needed to ride
the Shadow to Claremore, 55 miles away, to eat the senior lunch special
at Golden Corral. When we came out SHAZAM flat rear tire ! Walked to
AutoZone and got 2 big cans of Fixaflat. This got us to Oologah
where I found we were still losing air. I found a 3/4" staple with both
ends buried in the carcass, Fortunately I had a set of that rubber
string stuff with the augar file and insertion eye. I pulled out the
staple and air gushed from the holes which I kept losing save for spitting
on the area. I managed to get the file in and raped it real good It
was at this point I discovered the glue dried up probably a year or
two
ago. However, the Fixaflat made the seal and I made 20 miles to Nowata
and checked again and
discovered the pressure was the same as Oologah. On to Bartlesille to
nap and rest my sunburnt face. YUCK Damn, I am sure glad I had the
rubber stuff and will never be without it or that slimy stuff in the can
again. In the process I had to look at my tire and discover it is due
for replacement This scoot has to have the bags and mufflers pulled to
remove the wheel, assuming you have some way to suport the bike since
nobody puts centerstands on anymore I can even remove the rear section
of the fender on my 56 Matchless single. Keith Williams
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