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Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
开云体育?And say after me "I?must never?use
compressed air to?clear petrol out of my carbs"
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Compressed air can squash a float...ahem, believe
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
开云体育And the Bonneville America?...I
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Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
Larry Botheras
开云体育On a brit bike running Amals or something I’d say leave the carbs, but what happens particularly on Jap carbs with loads of small passages and jets is that the gas evaporates and leaves a varnish behind that can block them.? Drain, drain, drain… ? ? Larry Botheras ? Essex UK W650 Wrench 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge 1977 KH400 1978 CD175 1994 Ural Solo ? ? ? From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of Ruari McLennan
Sent: 07 July 2007 16:57 To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage ? I've had different opinions locally about
whether to drain the carbs over
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Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
Ruari McLennan
I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain.
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Comments, anyone? Ruari ----- Original Message -----
From: <larry.botheras@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here. Our 5 or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with nothing done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the oil etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year. |
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
Larry Botheras
开云体育Didn’t the Yam TDM and TRX 800’s have 270 cranks? ? ? Larry Botheras ? Essex UK W650 Wrench 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge 1977 KH400 1978 CD175 1994 Ural Solo ? ? ? From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of James Franklin
Sent: 07 July 2007 14:35 To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition ? My two stroke twins have all been 180 cranks,
since a two stroke fires every
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Re: NWC - Oh, I wish!
Larry Botheras
开云体育Brilliant vid. Mind you they have a real problem in De on and Cornwall at the moment, loads of biker deaths ? From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of Pete Cordell
Sent: 07 July 2007 14:19 To: W650riders@... Subject: [W650riders] NWC - Oh, I wish! ? Posted over on RealClassic today. Top marks!
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Re: New File - Ruari's Dyno Results - New File- report fr. "Point Man" - #112 mains
Ruari McLennan
Pete,
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Thanks! Yes, mine (at sea level) seems almost identical to the stock Cycle World dyno run someone posted. No real power increase, just the driveability improvements I noted. I have 10,000 km (6,200 miles) on her from new. I understand that if you brought yours down here to sea level you'd get a definite Hp increase. I did note that my tester didn't touch the rev limiter, he hit the kill switch at 7500 or so, once at 6500. Suited me at the time, like you I got nervous! But maybe he should have. He did not run up wide full open in the gears, only the top one, I think. Next step - adjust the valves, they've never been done. Took me ages to locate 1211 sealant for the valve cover gasket. Ruari ----- Original Message -----
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Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Laura,
Decide what it is worth to YOU before you go looking for a bike, if it costs what you were willing to pay, you were weren't over charged..motorcycles are like art..there really isn't much logic to base a price on..it's emotion and desire..that's why you decide on price before you sit on it. You may also want to check out news papers in your area..are there any US military bases near you..some GI may be trying to sell his XT and buy something exotic (to him) that he can't get in the States. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:29:49 +0100 Yeah have seen the loisontheloose website. A great trip. Well I went to the yamaha dealer today but they didn't have one, they're imports only (think that might have been mentioned not sure). Just wanted to sit on one. Could go to bat motorcycles as they might have one, but friend advised against getting one from them as they charge far too much. No idea yet how much they are or whether i really like one (or a second bike in general) but it seems it's hard to find one just to sit on. Sat on a number of other motox bikes but hey are they high. Also sat on an MT-03 they're pretty comfy not sure about the looks tho. Too much plastic for my liking, but an unusual bike so that's good. Not sure where it's going for the moment if anywhere. Went on the back of a friend's Transalp they're v comfy for the pillion passenger. It's against my principles to ride pillion he he as i'm a bikergirl now but I couldn't be bothered with changing and warming the harley up and god knows what just to go 1 mile. Wonder what's next? Laura On 05/07/07, jv_roberts2000 <jv_roberts2000@...> wrote: _________________________________________________________________ |
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Re: How I spent the 4th of July
I spent my fourth playing with my newest purchase, a 1975 Yamaha RD 350. It wont run, by the way, without a charged battery, tried it with the old NS battery and nothing. With the NS battery, and fresh gas (couldn't drain the bowls without removing carbs because of where the carbs sit, so I just cranked it through until the bowls were full of fresh gas..and it runs. While I played with the the '75, my younger brother was taking rust off the 74.
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I rode the 75 for a few hours..then rode it to work on the 5th. These bikes belonged to a list member (thanks Evan) and it was because of a conversation about the RDs between me and Jon H that Evan knew I might be interested in his. So thanks to Jon as well...for now, once this thing starts to get me in trouble with LEs, all thanks may be recinded. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Anita Reid <anita_reid@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] How I spent the 4th of July Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Should've stayed in bed. LOL Anita Gene Fitch <cafeboy@...> wrote: LOL! You understand I'm laughing WITH you, not AT you. ;-> Happy 5th Keith. Hope it goes better today. How was the lunch special? gene in OR ----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Williams Let me tell you how I spent the fourth---Before we got out of the house a kerosine lamp chimney hit the floor, I stepped in dogshit and tracked it thru the kitchen , and then Maggie decided we needed to ride the Shadow to Claremore, 55 miles away, to eat the senior lunch special at Golden Corral. When we came out SHAZAM flat rear tire ! Walked to AutoZone and got 2 big cans of Fixaflat. This got us to Oologah where I found we were still losing air. I found a 3/4" staple with both ends buried in the carcass, Fortunately I had a set of that rubber string stuff with the augar file and insertion eye. I pulled out the staple and air gushed from the holes which I kept losing save for spitting on the area. I managed to get the file in and raped it real good It was at this point I discovered the glue dried up probably a year or two ago. However, the Fixaflat made the seal and I made 20 miles to Nowata and checked again and discovered the pressure was the same as Oologah. On to Bartlesille to nap and rest my sunburnt face. YUCK Damn, I am sure glad I had the rubber stuff and will never be without it or that slimy stuff in the can again. In the process I had to look at my tire and discover it is due for replacement This scoot has to have the bags and mufflers pulled to remove the wheel, assuming you have some way to suport the bike since nobody puts centerstands on anymore I can even remove the rear section of the fender on my 56 Matchless single. Keith Williams _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! |
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
My two stroke twins have all been 180 cranks, since a two stroke fires every revolution, would just be two singles if they wer a 360 crank (Ossa's 500 was a 360 crank, but I never rode one of those).
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Honda's CA 72/77 Dreams, and the 125/150 Benlys were 360 crank, single carb bikes for sure, and I think that the 1968 - 1976 CB 350/360s, CB/CL were..but I would have to look that up. I think, also from memory, that the CB 160/175s, Twin Stars (ugh), Rebels and Nighthawk 250s were also 360 cranks. Honda's CB 72/77 Hawk/Super Hawk were 180 cranks as were the original DOHC CB 450s. I had a newer 450 Hawk..the 3 valve per cylinder SOHC thing, which I think had a 360 (ugly appliance looking engine, unlike the original 450 which had one of the best looking motorcycle engines ever in my opinion). 180s for a small "revver" 4 stroke seems appropriate to me. Yamaha's XS 650 came with a 360, but there is an an Australian made 270 crank that is getting a lot of attention on their site. Supposed to be smoother, better power delivery..never rode one with that crank though. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: <W650riders@...> Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:34:21 +0100 I like the power delivery of a 360 degree twin. Firing order is important. The reason that Triumphs made such good dirt bikes is that the firing angle is symmetrical...every 180 degrees. Bang chuff bang chuff and so on. Thus you get a regular bang on every revolution, at the same place...just like a two stroke single.... 180 degree crank bikes don't have the same firing,...they're either bang chuff, chuff bang, or bang bang chuff chuff. It feels different and not entirely 'right' to me. It's like the difference between a 120 degree triple and a typical four. The Triple always has a totally different feel...somehow more appropriate to a motorcycle...It might be something to do with the regularity of power pulses when the bike is at the limit of traction...I don't really know, but certainly 360 degree twin dirt bikes put power down in a very controlled way. Four stroke single dirt bikes are better than two stroke singles at getting power down initially as they punch out of corners and that is entirely down to the fact that the bikes composure has time to settle in-between pulses and the regular rhythm of the pulses allows the rider to 'sense' the rear tyre's behaviour . 360 twins are the same but you need long stroke lower revving motors to ensure the pulses are far enough apart. If they could make them light enough, I would not be surprised to see four stroke 360 degree twins competing again in top level MX because they make more power than a single with similar bottom end grunt. As you say, you need to add 1000 rpm to everything...That doesn't work 'off-road' and the edge of that difference is what I sense 'on-road'. I've no doubt your bike fuels smoothly, revs higher, makes more power and all that, but all 180 degree motors 'feel' slightly wrong to me...irrespective of build or brand. Jon ----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis J. Guggemos To: W650riders@... Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition This I take issue with. The 650Rs power delivery is one reason I bought it. Feels like 2 singles grunting out of a corner. Rarely do I take it to 8500 RPM (max hp). Usually it's ridden like the W, just add 1000 rpm to everything. You need to ride one before you flag it with the generalizations. It's not a buzzy ER5. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonhaddock@... To: W650riders@... Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition In my opinion there is no comparison between the two types of layout in 'feel' terms. Having ridden the old ER5 180 twin, it's 'just' a bike. Fairly peppy, of course, a bit revvy, nice neutral handling and all that, but no magic to the power delivery or feel. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 06/07/2007 06:36 _________________________________________________________________ |
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
My two stroke twins have all been 180 cranks, since a two stroke fires every revolution, would just be two singles if they wer a 360 crank (Ossa's 500 was a 360 crank, but I never rode one of those).
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Honda's CA 72/77 Dreams, and the 125/150 Benlys were 360 crank, single carb bikes for sure, and I think that the 1968 - 1976 CB 350/360s, CB/CL were..but I would have to look that up. I think, also from memory, that the CB 160/175s, Twin Stars (ugh), Rebels and Nighthawk 250s were also 360 cranks. Honda's CB 72/77 Hawk/Super Hawk were 180 cranks as were the original DOHC CB 450s. I had a newer 450 Hawk..the 3 valve per cylinder SOHC thing, which I think had a 360 (ugly appliance looking engine, unlike the original 450 which had one of the best looking motorcycle engines ever in my opinion). 180s for a small "revver" 4 stroke seems appropriate to me. Yamaha's XS 650 came with a 360, but there is an an Australian made 270 crank that is getting a lot of attention on their site. Supposed to be smoother, better power delivery..never rode one with that crank though. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: <W650riders@...> Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:34:21 +0100 I like the power delivery of a 360 degree twin. Firing order is important. The reason that Triumphs made such good dirt bikes is that the firing angle is symmetrical...every 180 degrees. Bang chuff bang chuff and so on. Thus you get a regular bang on every revolution, at the same place...just like a two stroke single.... 180 degree crank bikes don't have the same firing,...they're either bang chuff, chuff bang, or bang bang chuff chuff. It feels different and not entirely 'right' to me. It's like the difference between a 120 degree triple and a typical four. The Triple always has a totally different feel...somehow more appropriate to a motorcycle...It might be something to do with the regularity of power pulses when the bike is at the limit of traction...I don't really know, but certainly 360 degree twin dirt bikes put power down in a very controlled way. Four stroke single dirt bikes are better than two stroke singles at getting power down initially as they punch out of corners and that is entirely down to the fact that the bikes composure has time to settle in-between pulses and the regular rhythm of the pulses allows the rider to 'sense' the rear tyre's behaviour . 360 twins are the same but you need long stroke lower revving motors to ensure the pulses are far enough apart. If they could make them light enough, I would not be surprised to see four stroke 360 degree twins competing again in top level MX because they make more power than a single with similar bottom end grunt. As you say, you need to add 1000 rpm to everything...That doesn't work 'off-road' and the edge of that difference is what I sense 'on-road'. I've no doubt your bike fuels smoothly, revs higher, makes more power and all that, but all 180 degree motors 'feel' slightly wrong to me...irrespective of build or brand. Jon ----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis J. Guggemos To: W650riders@... Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition This I take issue with. The 650Rs power delivery is one reason I bought it. Feels like 2 singles grunting out of a corner. Rarely do I take it to 8500 RPM (max hp). Usually it's ridden like the W, just add 1000 rpm to everything. You need to ride one before you flag it with the generalizations. It's not a buzzy ER5. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonhaddock@... To: W650riders@... Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition In my opinion there is no comparison between the two types of layout in 'feel' terms. Having ridden the old ER5 180 twin, it's 'just' a bike. Fairly peppy, of course, a bit revvy, nice neutral handling and all that, but no magic to the power delivery or feel. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 06/07/2007 06:36 _________________________________________________________________ |
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Re: New File - Ruari's Dyno Results - New File- report fr. "Point Man" - #112 mains
Pete Cordell
R,
Sounds a positive result all the way 'round. I just pulled the paperwork on my own dyno session (a Dynojet btw) from 9/19/02 and they are pretty close to yours: hp - 45.8 @ 7200, torque - 39.0 @ 3750 rpm with the air/fuel pretty consistent 13% but taking a bit of a dip @ 4600 - 6000 rpm. This was with 120 mains, 1 shim under the stock needles and the air box "shelfectomy". Exhaust was - and still is - stock. The elevation here is 3000' and the W, at the time, only had about 4000 miles on it and was on mineral oil; it was still pretty tight. IIRC the rev limiter was cutting in right at 7800 rpm, and the bike wasn't too happy about going there the first time but you could actually hear and feel and see the difference after repeated WFO runs up through the gears. Except for the fact that this shop was owned and run by an older ex-racer/engine builder, whom I would trust with any bike I owned, and who has tons of old Brit and Euro bike experience, I would've been very nervous about the whole process. At one point he looked over at me and, noting my unease, laughingly shouted something along the lines of "..DONT WORRY PETE...SHE'S LOVING THIS!!" above the howl of my poor bike wound flat out to the stops! I just gulped, y'know?. But he was right though and I could definitely feel the difference afterwards on the ride home. Anyhow, today, with over 53K on it, it still runs just fine on the same specs except she's been on synthetic oil since shortly after that session. Someone mentioned the exhausts getting louder with time (and I'd have to agree with that based on my own personal experience) so maybe it makes even slightly more power now. Pete C --- In W650riders@..., "Ruari McLennan" <r.mclennan@...> wrote: at a new File.except for me removing the toolkit ( and allowing a teeny bit air in thekit needles, 3d (middle) clip, #112 mains as per Jon's recommendationfor stock exhausts, bigger pilot jet- a #38, and they reduced theidle mixture screw setting to 2 3/4 turns out.for a stock exhaust setup when tuned. 44 HP SAE average with a best runof 45 HP @7000. 37 ft/lbs torque at pretty much anywhere from 2500-5500 RPM, perhaps highest at 3750.a "linear" fashion? The bike warms up quicker, runs hotter, pulls away froma stop the first few feet more eagerly, and seems smoother in themid- range; the "lean surge" is gone. Can't honestly say whether it'sso, it gets up there without as much fuss or noise. Haven't done ahigh speed run yet, though, only to 130.my first tankful, surprising as I have been mainly commuting thisweek! and this was after the pilot jet was changed to a larger #38,which I have read has caused a drop in fuel economy for some.air/fuel ratio, but Factory Pro said they don't place much stock inarbitrary figures as do the Dynojet trained technicians. They asked whetherthe bike ran appreciably worse when cold or hot, if the former themixture is lean; if the latter the mixture is rich. I can't tell, whichseems to be a good thing. They did say they would have started me at a#110 main jet, but as long as it runs good on the road that's thething. They said the W650 and another Kawa retro bike (ER-11??) are deadeasy to tune, unlike Ninjas. |
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Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
picka48
Thanks Larry, I'll try and find out more about this before doing
anything. --- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...> wrote: isn't in the local market. You don't know the different constituents of gashere, and it may do something odd. As I say, some of our bikes don't turn awheel (particularly the Puch Maxi) for as long, but they start easyenough. Just drain the float bowls[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of picka48more yellow redish color of the fuel here while I don't know anythingmight not find stabilizers in Europe, a mechanic in the village there didhave to ask around how to send it from here. Does anyone know how longthe stabilizer is good for, one, two, five years? Does it turn tovarnish at some point? Thanks for your input.40yahoogroups.com> , "larry.botheras@"NA notfuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here.Our 5or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr withnothingdone to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change theoiletc) Never had an issue starting in the new year. butvery cold, it freezes a couple of times a year during the night allowedalways gets up above freezing during the day. The garage isunheated.I think the stabiliser is a good idea. In fact, I bought some in on planes. |
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
开云体育I like the power delivery of a 360 degree twin.
Firing order is important. The reason that Triumphs made such good dirt bikes is
that the firing?angle is symmetrical...every 180 degrees. Bang chuff bang
chuff and so on. Thus you get a regular bang on every revolution, at the same
place...just like a two stroke single....
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180 degree crank bikes don't have the same
firing,...they're either bang chuff, chuff bang, or bang bang chuff chuff. It
feels different and not entirely 'right' to me.
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It's like the difference between a 120 degree
triple and a typical four. The Triple always has a totally different
feel...somehow more appropriate to a motorcycle...It might be something to do
with the regularity of power pulses when the bike is at the limit of
traction...I don't really know, but certainly 360 degree twin dirt bikes put
power down in a very controlled way.
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Four stroke single dirt bikes are better than two
stroke singles at getting power down initially as they punch out of corners and
that is entirely down to the fact that the bikes composure has time to settle
in-between pulses and the regular rhythm?of
the pulses allows the rider to 'sense' the rear tyre's behaviour . 360 twins are
the same but you need long stroke lower revving?motors to ensure the pulses
are far enough apart.
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If they could make them light enough, I would not
be surprised to see four stroke 360 degree twins competing again in top level MX
because they make more power than a single with similar bottom end grunt.
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As you say, you need to add 1000 rpm to
everything...That doesn't work 'off-road' and the edge of that difference is
what I sense 'on-road'.
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I've no doubt your bike??fuels smoothly,
revs higher, makes more power and all that, but?all 180 degree motors
?'feel' slightly wrong to me...irrespective of build or brand.
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Jon
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Re: New File - Ruari's Dyno Results - New File- report fr. "Point Man" - #112 mains
The pilots only effect fuel economy at low revs. When desperate measures are called for and you have to chug along at just off idle the stock #35's will do really high mpg's....80 plus. The 38's won't and they also 'cough' if you snatch the throttle from mid revs as they momentarily push the bike 'over-rich' in conjunction with the carb fuel pump.
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The hot pipes rev to 7500 and there is power up to there at least. I think the increasingly rich stock pipes overpower the jets at the very top end and although possibly the 110's would allow the bike to rev higher they'd fail to fuel properly between 6000 and 7000. Hi Phaedrus & folks, I got out of town for a quick dyno at a |
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Re: Costs of a short trip!
Ah...A Comet. ...Rare machine....
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Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
If you can't smell fuel, it's probably sucking in. No modern vehicles are allowed to vent vapour...It's part of their emissions package. Either way, once the temperatures have stabilised it'll stop.
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It's better to leave the tank almost full if you store simply because the small amount of air lweft inthe tank saturates with aromatic vapours before effecting the fuel's combustability. My 250T Honda ran ( roughly) on 18 year old petrol left in the tank when I first started it....Once I'd drained the float bowls. Jon I'm not so sure the W650 doesn't vent fuel vapours. I know that it |
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New File - Ruari's Dyno Results - New File- report fr. "Point Man" - #112 mains
Ruari McLennan
Hi Phaedrus & folks, I got out of town for a quick dyno at a
Harley/custom bike shop an hour away. The Dyno Results are posted at a new File. Now, I didn't do what I should've - dynoed the bike BEFORE needle, pilot and main jet changes. The bike had previously been stock except for me removing the toolkit ( and allowing a teeny bit air in the crankcase vent entrance hole thru a K&N filter, unlikely to affect anything, the hole is tiny). I got the carbs cleaned and had the shop drop in the Factory Pro kit needles, 3d (middle) clip, #112 mains as per Jon's recommendation for stock exhausts, bigger pilot jet- a #38, and they reduced the idle mixture screw setting to 2 3/4 turns out. The results are pretty good, I think. Pretty typical, I believe for a stock exhaust setup when tuned. 44 HP SAE average with a best run of 45 HP @7000. 37 ft/lbs torque at pretty much anywhere from 2500-5500 RPM, perhaps highest at 3750. The lines seem pretty straight, must deliver the power in a "linear" fashion? The bike warms up quicker, runs hotter, pulls away from a stop the first few feet more eagerly, and seems smoother in the mid- range; the "lean surge" is gone. Can't honestly say whether it's gained acceleration power, quite possibly not, but I like to think so, it gets up there without as much fuss or noise. Haven't done a high speed run yet, though, only to 130. I did notice an immediate fuel economy gain from 52 to 56 MPG in my first tankful, surprising as I have been mainly commuting this week! and this was after the pilot jet was changed to a larger #38, which I have read has caused a drop in fuel economy for some. They enthused at the Harley shop over the straight-line 13% air/fuel ratio, but Factory Pro said they don't place much stock in arbitrary figures as do the Dynojet trained technicians. They asked whether the bike ran appreciably worse when cold or hot, if the former the mixture is lean; if the latter the mixture is rich. I can't tell, which seems to be a good thing. They did say they would have started me at a #110 main jet, but as long as it runs good on the road that's the thing. They said the W650 and another Kawa retro bike (ER-11??) are dead easy to tune, unlike Ninjas. Thanks to Jon Haddock for his help & advice! Retro Ruari |
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Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
Ruari McLennan
I'm not so sure the W650 doesn't vent fuel vapours. I know that it frequently vents something from the gas cap area; every time I'm in the garage alone when it's quiet, I can hear it go off every few seconds.
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From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
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