Re: Front and rear wheel travel
Oh, you wanted that rear travel with the shocks
on?
?
Dennis ;^)
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PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Front and rear
wheel travel
I just went through the same search. The service manual for my 2000 model W
states in "General Information" p. 1-7 that front wheel travel is 130 mm
(5.1"), rear wheel travel is 105 mm (4.1"). But my medium damping 20Kg
spring weight classic rear Hagon shocks only have 3.2" travel. Don't know
about the Hagon progressive fork springs I have.
PS I got 2" sag at the
front, just over 1" at the rear.
Ruari
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From: "Terence Pocsik" <t.j.pocsik@windstream.net>
To:
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Sent:
Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel
travel
>I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks
that I
> just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in
the
> manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the
specs.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
Terence
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Re: Front and rear wheel travel
I just went through the same search. The service manual for my 2000 model W states in "General Information" p. 1-7 that front wheel travel is 130 mm (5.1"), rear wheel travel is 105 mm (4.1"). But my medium damping 20Kg spring weight classic rear Hagon shocks only have 3.2" travel. Don't know about the Hagon progressive fork springs I have.
PS I got 2" sag at the front, just over 1" at the rear.
Ruari
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Terence Pocsik" <t.j.pocsik@...> To: "W650riders Groups" <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel travel I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I
just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the
manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.
Thanks in advance.
Terence
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Re: Front and rear wheel travel
Thanks Dennis
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On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Dennis J. Guggemos wrote:
pg 1-7 of my 2000 manual, under Frame specs. fr 130mm 5 1/8" rr 105mm 4 1/8" ? Dennis ? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel travel
I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I
just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the
manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.
Thanks in advance.
Terence
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Sounds like you could also use a new bigger pilot jet (#38 instead of stock #35)
Ruari
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----- Original Message ----- From: "mnthope" <balloumike@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: [W650riders] Re: jetting Thanks Jon
I am hoping the needles help the 2000-3000 RPM surge too. The bike is
a CA model with the "Special Needle". I backed the pilot jet screws
out 5+ turns and the idle kept going up. So far infact that one of the
screws fell out and I lost the spring while I was riding. The Screw
looks undamaged as it just sat between the starter and engine. I will
order a new screw along with the jets and needles.
Mike
In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
Pilot adjustment should be set so that with the bike warm, there is no
discernable popping. Popping is symptomatic of a LEAN mix and will
make the
bike feel lacklustre during warm-up.
The KLR needles are fine. Main jets only matter after 6000 rpm with stock
airboxes the 122's will be spot on.....all you need to do is fiddle with
needle height. Start with the needles at their lowest ( leanest) point.
They'll still be better than stock there but lifting them one notch at a
time will get you to the right place. Look for improvements from 4000 to
6000 rpm...That's where the stock ones fall down once decent pipes are
fitted!
Good luck!
Jon
Hi Jon
I just got my bike, it was shipped from California to New Hampshire,
and so it took awhile. It is currently fitted with fish pipes but not
rejetted. I would like to have a go at it and would like some advice
on the best jets/needles. Based on your previous recommendations I
have located the KLX 300 needles and thought I would get a 122 and a
112 main jet in case I go back to the stock pipes. Would you recommend
going with the Kawasaki jet/needles or aftermarket like factory pro.
The Price is not much different when you start using combinations. The
bike still runs poorly during warm-up (30 minutes of riding) and I
have adjusted the pilot screw out to the point where the bike started
popping off throttle. I also checked the carburetors' synchronization
and it look good. I am hoping it is not the vacuum diaphragm. Anyway
thanks for your help.
Mike
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Re: Weave WAS I've Done It (I think)
So, you two, if I want to go up the highway on the W 500 miles or so, what about wearing a large mountaineering backpack bigger at the bottom than top, stuffed with crumpled newspaper to be very light, to fill in that aerodynamic hole behind me and prevent weave? Ruari ( who made it to an indicated 170 (105) the other day without weave tops, but still cannot conceive how James got to 120) from Jon Haddock- . On the W the low pressure is generated behindf the rider and the rider is
forced back into that zone. Because the rider resists being pulled back, the
force is directed down through his arse onto the seat which squashes the
rear suspension. The pillion fills in that hole and their low pressure zone
develops behind them BUT it isa lot less because rider plus pillion make a
longer more aerodynamic shape. and from James Franklin- The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so (but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).
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Re: I've Done It (I think)
probably means 102..lysdexic ________________________________ From: W650riders@... on behalf of Ruari McLennan Sent: Fri 20/07/2007 19:53 To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think) How the heck did you get to 120 MPH on the Ws, James? Ruari ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think) My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached. The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).
The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a
box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.
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How the heck did you get to 120 MPH on the Ws, James?
Ruari
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----- Original Message ----- From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think) My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached. The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).
The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.
James Franklin
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
the best thing to do with Spam is coat it in batter and make fritters out of it. ________________________________ From: W650riders@... on behalf of John Sent: Fri 20/07/2007 07:00 To: W650riders@... Subject: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition my apologies --- In W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> , Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote:
John, every time I log onto this, it spams and pop-ups me.
Ruari
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <schnozejt@...>
To: <W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
only 40 signatures were captured. Kind of disappointing, can anyone
help spreading the word of this petition? Send emails to all your
friends and ask them to fwd that email to their friends.
--- In W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> , "John " <schnozejt@> wrote:
Hello all,
Ive started a petition to bring back the w650 - please sign it here:
<>
Here's one of the posting i've put on craigslist about this
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Re: Front and rear wheel travel
pg 1-7 of my 2000 manual, under Frame specs.
fr 130mm 5 1/8"
rr 105mm 4 1/8"
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Dennis
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AM
Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear
wheel travel
I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I
just
installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the
manual. I'm
sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.
Thanks in
advance.
Terence
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Front and rear wheel travel
I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.
Thanks in advance.
Terence
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
What browser are you using? I use Firefox and Safari, no problems. (on a Mac of course). ? I don't know much about Windoze ExPee. Are you using pop-up and spam blockers? Maybe it's time to update. Kirk ? ? ?
Ruari McLennan wrote:
You start to see the proper website, but immediatrely a popup starts, consumes your entire screen, and stays there as far as I can tell. I
didn't hang around, don't want to give it time to install stuff on my computer. Ruari ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Jake" < jake@captainjakes.com> To: < W650riders@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition > Just by going there, it sends you junk email? > > Curious Jake > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruari McLennan" < r.mclennan@shaw.ca> > > > John, every time I log onto this, it spams and pop-ups me. > > Ruari > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" < schnozejt@yahoo.com> > > >> only 40 signatures
were captured. Kind of disappointing, can anyone >> help spreading the word of this petition? Send emails to all your >> friends and ask them to fwd that email to their friends. >> >> --- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "John " ..> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Ive started a petition to bring back the w650 - please sign it here: >>> >>> >>> >>> Here's one of the posting i've put on craigslist about this >>> >>> >>> >>> Please tell all your friends
and family about this >>> >>> Thanks >>> > > > > > Go to temporary photos site - :: > Send an email to W650riders-nomail@yahoogroups.com to stop email delivery. > :: > Send an email to W650riders-normal@yahoogroups.com to resume email > delivery. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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Re: Anyone else notice....
well, they break in anyway! Captain Jake wrote: They do indeed, sir. They just get better and better. Jake ----- Original Message ----- From: "John " < schnozejt@yahoo.com> that their W ages like a fine wine? Maybe I'm losing my mind but it seems as if my W sounds way better now that it's 7000 miles old than when I bought it at 1600 miles.
Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
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Re: Anyone else notice....
They do indeed, sir. They just get better and better.
Jake
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that their W ages like a fine wine? Maybe I'm losing my mind but it
seems as if my W sounds way better now that it's 7000 miles old than
when I bought it at 1600 miles.
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Re: I've Done It (I think)
There two aspects of my enjoyment of bikes.? I like to ride them and I like to tinker with them.? That given, I like to always have ONE that doesn't need tinkering!? My Excelsior henderson always needed tinkering.? Is that the case with the W? Dick Tym wrote: That is exactly why I enjoy them. I prefer to spend my spare time riding my bikes not tinkering with them. having said that I appreciate the fact that many people do get a lot of pleasure from
tinkering Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Franklin" < jimw650@hotmail.com> To: < W650riders@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think) > Dick, > > I still have more Hondas than you do...love-em all...what I said was, that > Hondas, most Hondas aren't characters like the W is, my CB 900 is a > character only because of that dual range transmission. Doesn't mean that > I > don't enjoy it, just that it, like most of my previous Hondas are turn key > and go vehicles with little tinkering required. > > > > James Franklin > 2411 Pine Summit DR. E > Jacksonville, Florida 32211 > > 808-225-0994 (cell) > > > > > > From: Laura < laurauk.rider@googlemail.com> > Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com> To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think) > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:10:34 +0100 > > sounds like it, blimey. > > What's wrong with kawasaki? :-) > > Laura > > > On 19/07/07, Dick Tym < rocker66@kawasakiw650.co.uk> wrote: >> >> If all goes according to plan I will have the Pan & the Deauville and >> Sue >>will have the Hornet 600 & CBF 1000. >>Yes despite what some members say we like Hondas >>Dick >> > >
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > Go to temporary photos site - :: > Send an email to W650riders-nomail@yahoogroups.com to stop email delivery. > :: > Send an email to W650riders-normal@yahoogroups.com to resume email > delivery. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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Re: I've Done It (I think)
That's what I liked about my Hondas, Yamahas and Harleys. It's a;lso what I like about Yamaha and Suzuki outboards.? Too bad I can't say the same about Honda outboards! James Franklin wrote: Dick, I still have more Hondas than you do...love-em all...what I said was, that Hondas, most Hondas aren't characters like the W is, my CB 900 is a character only because of that dual range transmission. Doesn't mean that I don't enjoy it, just that it, like most of my previous Hondas are turn
key and go vehicles with little tinkering required. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Laura < laurauk.rider@googlemail.com> Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.comTo: W650riders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:10:34 +0100 sounds like it, blimey. What's wrong with kawasaki? :-) Laura On 19/07/07, Dick Tym < rocker66@kawasakiw650.co.uk> wrote: > > If all goes according to plan I will have the Pan & the Deauville and Sue >will have the Hornet 600 & CBF 1000. >Yes despite what some members say we like
Hondas >Dick > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
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Re: I've Done It (I think)
Top boxes create a low pressure zone behind the rear wheel. They generate drag, but the high pressure air is pushing against the front of the box and does little more than slow the bike. Also, top boxes are invariably sitting in the midst of the turbulence created by the rider. They may well actually marginally improve aerodynmamics by filling in some of that low pressure zone.
They do however bugger up the C0G...:-)
. On the W the low pressure is generated behindf the rider and the rider is forced back into that zone. Because the rider resists being pulled back, the force is directed down through his arse onto the seat which squashes the rear suspension. The pillion fills in that hole and their low pressure zone develops behind them BUT it isa lot less because rider plus pillion make a longer more aerodynamic shape.
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My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached. The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).
The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:50:58 +0100
You won't get one. The Police one's weave for the same reason the W
does...Big coppers punch a big hole in the air and create a BIG low pressure
zone. The cops are scratching their heads because their Pans are fitted with
up-rated load adjusting shocks but they'll still sometimes but not always
weaving at high speed. They've cottoned on to the extra weight thing, but
not the torso size of the rider. They haven't yet spotted that its the big
chested burly officers that are getting the problems.....
Think I should tell 'em?
Jon
I took it up to speeds in excess of the normal motorway speeds and no
weave at all. however mine will have the top box fitted so I will find out
if that has an adverse effect
Dick
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To: W650riders@...
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Cool!
Now you can get embroiled in the famous copper killing weave debates
that are consuming all the Pan riders at the moment.
I spoke to a Pan riding copper last month and I'm pretty sure its the
same as the W weave!
As some of you will know recently I have been considering a more
touring style of appliance. Today I rode tested a ST1300 Pan European. I was
offered a really good trade in for my CB1300S against a brand new Pan
complete with a package off accessories worth 850 for less than the list
price of a standard bike.
Hopefully I will be concluding the deal next week
Dick
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Thanks Jon I am hoping the needles help the 2000-3000 RPM surge too. The bike is a CA model with the "Special Needle". I backed the pilot jet screws out 5+ turns and the idle kept going up. So far infact that one of the screws fell out and I lost the spring while I was riding. The Screw looks undamaged as it just sat between the starter and engine. I will order a new screw along with the jets and needles. Mike In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
Pilot adjustment should be set so that with the bike warm, there is no
discernable popping. Popping is symptomatic of a LEAN mix and will
make the bike feel lacklustre during warm-up.
The KLR needles are fine. Main jets only matter after 6000 rpm with stock airboxes the 122's will be spot on.....all you need to do is fiddle with needle height. Start with the needles at their lowest ( leanest) point.
They'll still be better than stock there but lifting them one notch at a time will get you to the right place. Look for improvements from 4000 to 6000 rpm...That's where the stock ones fall down once decent pipes are
fitted!
Good luck!
Jon
Hi Jon
I just got my bike, it was shipped from California to New Hampshire,
and so it took awhile. It is currently fitted with fish pipes but not
rejetted. I would like to have a go at it and would like some advice
on the best jets/needles. Based on your previous recommendations I
have located the KLX 300 needles and thought I would get a 122 and a
112 main jet in case I go back to the stock pipes. Would you recommend
going with the Kawasaki jet/needles or aftermarket like factory pro.
The Price is not much different when you start using combinations. The
bike still runs poorly during warm-up (30 minutes of riding) and I
have adjusted the pilot screw out to the point where the bike started
popping off throttle. I also checked the carburetors' synchronization
and it look good. I am hoping it is not the vacuum diaphragm. Anyway
thanks for your help.
Mike
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Re: I've Done It (I think)
That is exactly why I enjoy them. I prefer to spend my spare time riding my bikes not tinkering with them.
having said that I appreciate the fact that many people do get a lot of pleasure from tinkering
Dick
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I still have more Hondas than you do...love-em all...what I said was, that
Hondas, most Hondas aren't characters like the W is, my CB 900 is a
character only because of that dual range transmission. Doesn't mean that I
don't enjoy it, just that it, like most of my previous Hondas are turn key
and go vehicles with little tinkering required.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:10:34 +0100
sounds like it, blimey.
What's wrong with kawasaki? :-)
Laura
On 19/07/07, Dick Tym <rocker66@...> wrote:
If all goes according to plan I will have the Pan & the Deauville and Sue
will have the Hornet 600 & CBF 1000.
Yes despite what some members say we like Hondas
Dick
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Dick, I still have more Hondas than you do...love-em all...what I said was, that Hondas, most Hondas aren't characters like the W is, my CB 900 is a character only because of that dual range transmission. Doesn't mean that I don't enjoy it, just that it, like most of my previous Hondas are turn key and go vehicles with little tinkering required. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:10:34 +0100 sounds like it, blimey. What's wrong with kawasaki? :-) Laura On 19/07/07, Dick Tym <rocker66@...> wrote:
If all goes according to plan I will have the Pan & the Deauville and Sue
will have the Hornet 600 & CBF 1000.
Yes despite what some members say we like Hondas
Dick
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Re: I've Done It (I think)
I think you should offer your services on a
fee-charging consultancy basis and drag out your research just a little bit
:-)
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think)
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You won't get one. The Police one's weave for
the same reason the W does...Big coppers punch a big hole in the air and
create a BIG low pressure zone. The cops are scratching their heads because
their Pans are fitted with up-rated load adjusting shocks but they'll still
sometimes but not always weaving at high speed. They've cottoned on to the
extra weight thing, but not the torso size of the rider. They haven't yet
spotted that its the big chested burly officers that are getting the
problems.....
?
Think I should tell 'em?
?
Jon
?
?
I took it up to speeds in excess of the normal
motorway speeds and no weave at all. however mine will have the top box
fitted so I will find out if that has an adverse effect
Dick
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:20
PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done
It (I think)
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Cool!
?
Now you can get embroiled in the famous
copper killing weave debates??that?are consuming all the
Pan riders at the moment.
?
I spoke to a Pan riding copper last month
and I'm pretty sure its the same as the W weave!
As some of you will know recently I have
been considering a more touring style of appliance. Today I rode tested
a ST1300?Pan European. I was offered a really good trade in for my
CB1300S against a brand new Pan complete with a package off accessories
worth ?850 for less than the list price of a standard bike.
Hopefully I will be concluding the deal
next week
Dick
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