Some of you will remember my wee run in
with an auld, bloody awkward ewe on a wee single Scottish track a few years ago
(aye, Dick the one you went over last
year).
Well I finally caught up with her the
other day....
This is me taking her to John Boultons
croft.
Well he is Welsh...
Roy?
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
pink is non-threatening Hazel Clarke wrote: That makes sense.? My car might be small but it is also bright pink and quite conspicuous; I've lost count of the number of drivers of bigger vehicles who have pulled out in front of me - usually, I know they have seen me and must have dismissed me as not being a threat.? A machine gun would help a lot! Or perhaps I could just wear a balaclava when driving?and look a bit sinister? Although that might
cause other problems..... ? ? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
? That ties in with what I've come to realise. When
something in your vicinity presents itself as a threat, you remember it and keep it within your mind's sphere of awareness. When something does not threaten you, you dismiss it. That's why people say 'I didn't see you'. They DID see you, but they dismissed you from their perception because we only register predators or prey. ? Ironically, the more safety clothing you wear, the more mainstream and unthreatening you appear and the less you register as a threat to people. Ergo, they pull out in front of you. ? Less fluorescent jackets and more machine guns...That's the ticket!
The ones you see today are yuppies trying to look bad.? Half of them have fake pony tails attached to their do-rags. They want to?look like?the guy they were afraid of when they were younger!? These
days it's so widely known that most of them are hairdressers, CPA's or lawyers, that the mystique is long gone.? Nobody is afraid of a motorcyclist anymore, and that's a? shame.? I was a lot safer on my bike when people were afraid of bikers. They gave me plenty of room, and NO ONE pulled out in front of me.? Nowadays, riding is scary to the biker!
"Jonhaddock@onetel.net" net> wrote: He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like to blat about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic up, which is when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking order as caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress. My issue with the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley becauase they want to be seen as
outlaws and the whole pipes thing is a reflection of that. The entire outlaw culture is as you know, mostly in the minds of people predujiced against motorcycles so what these ignorent twats are doing are actually creating a stereotype which ironically almost didn't exist. You see a hellova lot more mean dudes on stupidly loud Harleys today than you ever did 20 years ago...And I lived one street away from the South Coast Angels HQ for 5 years in the '90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a friend of the Angels' dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440 Ltd but that was about it. Now, they are chugging about in packs... Jon > maybe that guy was trying but the majority of Sportster riders are happy > to > cruise around which is why they buy this type of bike in the first place. > Unlike you I no longer feel that I have to compete with other riders so I > just ride at the speed I
feel happiest with at the time and if others want > to roar past me then so be it. Having said that sometimes I am the one > doing > the passing.for this reason I can enjoy both my bikes in completely > different ways > Dick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Jonhaddock@onetel.net" < jonhaddock@onetel.net> > To: < W650riders@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 > > >> >> No, this guy came gunning past on a bend while I was accelerating out of >> a >> thirty limit. I was two up and was taking it easy accordingly. His >> exhausts >> were loud enough to startle me. I knew he and his mates were
behind and >> so >> I >> was not only keeping well in front so as not to inconvenience them, but I >> had shifted down into fourth to ensure I would be accelerating briskly so >> any cruising Harleys would be able to blat away without getting any pesky >> Jap bikes in the way of their stately progress. He was trying about as >> hard >> as he could. I was doing 95 in third, shifting into fourth, and cranked >> hard >> over when I went past him and the Harley's induction note still drowned >> out >> the W...He was wide open and trying hard. >> >> > > > > Go to temporary photos site - :: > Send an email to W650riders-nomail@yahoogroups.com to stop email delivery. > :: > Send
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
pink is non-threatening Hazel Clarke wrote: That makes sense.? My car might be small but it is also bright pink and quite conspicuous; I've lost count of the number of drivers of bigger vehicles who have pulled out in front of me - usually, I know they have seen me and must have dismissed me as not being a threat.? A machine gun would help a lot! Or perhaps I could just wear a balaclava when driving?and look a bit sinister? Although that might
cause other problems..... ? ? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
? That ties in with what I've come to realise. When
something in your vicinity presents itself as a threat, you remember it and keep it within your mind's sphere of awareness. When something does not threaten you, you dismiss it. That's why people say 'I didn't see you'. They DID see you, but they dismissed you from their perception because we only register predators or prey. ? Ironically, the more safety clothing you wear, the more mainstream and unthreatening you appear and the less you register as a threat to people. Ergo, they pull out in front of you. ? Less fluorescent jackets and more machine guns...That's the ticket!
The ones you see today are yuppies trying to look bad.? Half of them have fake pony tails attached to their do-rags. They want to?look like?the guy they were afraid of when they were younger!? These
days it's so widely known that most of them are hairdressers, CPA's or lawyers, that the mystique is long gone.? Nobody is afraid of a motorcyclist anymore, and that's a? shame.? I was a lot safer on my bike when people were afraid of bikers. They gave me plenty of room, and NO ONE pulled out in front of me.? Nowadays, riding is scary to the biker!
"Jonhaddock@onetel.net" net> wrote: He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like to blat about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic up, which is when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking order as caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress. My issue with the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley becauase they want to be seen as
outlaws and the whole pipes thing is a reflection of that. The entire outlaw culture is as you know, mostly in the minds of people predujiced against motorcycles so what these ignorent twats are doing are actually creating a stereotype which ironically almost didn't exist. You see a hellova lot more mean dudes on stupidly loud Harleys today than you ever did 20 years ago...And I lived one street away from the South Coast Angels HQ for 5 years in the '90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a friend of the Angels' dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440 Ltd but that was about it. Now, they are chugging about in packs... Jon > maybe that guy was trying but the majority of Sportster riders are happy > to > cruise around which is why they buy this type of bike in the first place. > Unlike you I no longer feel that I have to compete with other riders so I > just ride at the speed I
feel happiest with at the time and if others want > to roar past me then so be it. Having said that sometimes I am the one > doing > the passing.for this reason I can enjoy both my bikes in completely > different ways > Dick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Jonhaddock@onetel.net" < jonhaddock@onetel.net> > To: < W650riders@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 > > >> >> No, this guy came gunning past on a bend while I was accelerating out of >> a >> thirty limit. I was two up and was taking it easy accordingly. His >> exhausts >> were loud enough to startle me. I knew he and his mates were
behind and >> so >> I >> was not only keeping well in front so as not to inconvenience them, but I >> had shifted down into fourth to ensure I would be accelerating briskly so >> any cruising Harleys would be able to blat away without getting any pesky >> Jap bikes in the way of their stately progress. He was trying about as >> hard >> as he could. I was doing 95 in third, shifting into fourth, and cranked >> hard >> over when I went past him and the Harley's induction note still drowned >> out >> the W...He was wide open and trying hard. >> >> > > > > Go to temporary photos site - :: > Send an email to W650riders-nomail@yahoogroups.com to stop email delivery. > :: > Send
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IMHO your dubya is due for synthetic and a new filter.? I haven't used the purolator filter but others say it works.? The extra capacity of it sounds good but I'm not sure about the relief valve setting, anti drain features, etc. versus the stock Kwak unit. I thought the Shell Rotella-T 5w-40 synthetic should be ideal for your Grand National.? I might try Mobil-1 15w-50 in my dubya next to see if I can tell any shift quality or other differences compared to the 5w-40 Rotella.? Shifts fine now though anyway. Vernon dvdberman wrote: Thanks JV. But any concerns about switching over to synthetic when it wasn't used during "break-in"? Also, got any views about using the longer than stock Purolator PureOne Oil Filter? I've got just over 4000 miles on my W (got it last spring with only 250 miles!!!). I'm due for an O/C now, and feel a filter change wouldn't be a bad idea too. DB In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "jv_roberts2000" ...> wrote: > > It's the Shell Rotella-T 5w-40 synthetic I've read good things about > and what is in my W650 now. It's a common oil used for turbo diesels > so should do well in a Grand National I would think. Most Walmart's > have it for relatively cheap compared to other synthetics.. ...Mobil- 1 > for example. >
> Vernon....Michigan ex-patriot, bought a Triumph T100C from Nicholsons > some years back > > > > > > > #2 I've seen some mention about Shell Rotella 15W40 > > really smoothing out downshifts. True? Also, can the same be > > accomplished with an additive? I onced tried the Rotella in my Grand > > National because a buddy said it could handle the heat of the turbo > > better than 5W30. In the end, I went back to 5W30 because the slight > > increase in pressure from the Rotella gave me nothing in better > > performance. > > > > > #5 Any members in Oakland County, Michigan. > > > > Kindest Regards, > > > > DB > > >
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
That makes sense.? My car might be small but
it is also bright pink and quite conspicuous; I've lost count of the number of
drivers of bigger vehicles who have pulled out in front of me - usually, I know
they have seen me and must have dismissed me as not being a threat.? A
machine gun would help a lot! Or perhaps I could just wear a balaclava when
driving?and look a bit sinister? Although that might cause other
problems.....
?
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking
about getting rid of my w650
?
That ties in with what I've come to realise.
When something in your vicinity presents itself as a threat, you remember it
and keep it within your mind's sphere of awareness. When something does not
threaten you, you dismiss it. That's why people say 'I didn't see you'. They
DID see you, but they dismissed you from their perception because we only
register predators or prey.
?
Ironically, the more safety clothing you wear,
the more mainstream and unthreatening you appear and the less you register
as a threat to people. Ergo, they pull out in front of you.
?
Less fluorescent jackets and more machine
guns...That's the ticket!
The ones you see today are yuppies trying to look bad.?
Half of them have fake pony tails attached to their do-rags. They want
to?look like?the guy they were afraid of when they were
younger!? These days it's so widely known that most of them are
hairdressers, CPA's or lawyers, that the mystique is long gone.? Nobody
is afraid of a motorcyclist anymore, and that's a? shame.? I was a
lot safer on my bike when people were afraid of bikers. They gave me plenty
of room, and NO ONE pulled out in front of me.? Nowadays, riding is
scary to the biker!
"Jonhaddock@onetel.net"
net> wrote:
He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like
to blat about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic
up, which is when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking
order as caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress.
My issue with the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley
becauase they want to be seen as outlaws and the whole pipes thing is
a reflection of that. The entire outlaw culture is as you know,
mostly in the minds of people predujiced against motorcycles so what
these ignorent twats are doing are actually creating a stereotype
which ironically almost didn't exist. You see a hellova lot more
mean dudes on stupidly loud Harleys today than you ever did 20 years
ago...And I lived one street away from the South Coast Angels HQ for 5
years in the '90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a friend of the
Angels' dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440 Ltd but
that was about it. Now, they are chugging about in
packs... Jon > maybe that guy was trying but the majority
of Sportster riders are happy > to > cruise around which is
why they buy this type of bike in the first place. > Unlike you I no
longer feel that I have to compete with other riders so I > just
ride at the speed I feel happiest with at the time and if others
want > to roar past me then so be it. Having said that sometimes I
am the one > doing > the passing.for this reason I can enjoy
both my bikes in completely > different ways > Dick >
----- Original Message ----- > From: " Jonhaddock@onetel.net"
< jonhaddock@onetel.net> >
To: < W650riders@yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re:
Thinking about getting rid of my
w650 > > >> >> No, this guy came gunning
past on a bend while I was accelerating out of >> a >>
thirty limit. I was two up and was taking it easy accordingly.
His >> exhausts >> were loud enough to startle me. I
knew he and his mates were behind and >> so >>
I >> was not only keeping well in front so as not to
inconvenience them, but I >> had shifted down into fourth to
ensure I would be accelerating briskly so >> any cruising Harleys
would be able to blat away without getting any pesky >> Jap bikes
in the way of their stately progress. He was trying about as >>
hard >> as he could. I was doing 95 in third, shifting into
fourth, and cranked >> hard >> over when I went past him
and the Harley's induction note still drowned >> out >>
the W...He was wide open and trying
hard. >> >> > > > > Go to
temporary photos site -
:: > Send an email to W650riders-nomail@yahoogroups.com
to stop email delivery. > :: > Send an email to W650riders-normal@yahoogroups.com
to resume email > delivery. > Yahoo! Groups
Links > > > > > > -- > No virus
found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free
Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/902 - Release
Date: 15/07/2007 > 14:21 > >
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It's cheaper for a reason.? It's re-cracked fossil oil.? I used it for a while then went back to Mobil1 in my diesel. jv_roberts2000 wrote: It's the Shell Rotella-T 5w-40 synthetic I've read good things about
and what is in my W650 now. It's a common oil used for turbo diesels
so should do well in a Grand National I would think. Most Walmart's
have it for relatively cheap compared to other synthetics.....Mobil-1
for example.
Vernon....Michigan ex-patriot, bought a
Triumph T100C from Nicholsons
some years back
>
> #2 I've seen some mention about Shell Rotella 15W40
> really smoothing out downshifts. True? Also, can the same be
> accomplished with an additive? I onced tried the Rotella in my Grand
> National because a buddy said it could handle the heat of the turbo
> better than 5W30. In the end, I went back to 5W30 because the slight
> increase in pressure from the Rotella gave me nothing in better
> performance.
>
> #5 Any members in Oakland County, Michigan.
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> DB
>
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....and Beemer badges on URALs and harley badges on Japanese cruisers, ad nauseum.... Dick Tym wrote: Good point John. There have also been cases of portraying a false image?involving members of this group who have put badges of marques on their Kawasaksi in attempt to make people think that they are British Dick -----
Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
The ones you see today are yuppies trying to look bad.? Half of them have fake pony tails attached to their do-rags. They want to?look like?the guy they were afraid of when they were younger!? These days it's so widely known that most of them are hairdressers, CPA's or lawyers, that the mystique is long gone.? Nobody is afraid of a motorcyclist anymore, and that's a? shame.? I was a lot
safer on my bike when people were afraid of bikers. They gave me plenty of room, and NO ONE pulled out in front of me.? Nowadays, riding is scary to the biker!
"Jonhaddock@onetel.net" net> wrote:
Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Most Florida Harley riders are posers.? Drop by for Daytona Bike Week.? It's an education.? Dick Tym wrote: I can only assume that HD riders in your neck of the woods are very different to those around here or you are riding around with a very blinkered outlook. Whilst in Cornwall I came across 3 HD riders 1Fatboy owner & partner staying in our hotel was very friendly another was a Sportster rider whose pillion passenger spoke to us whilst we stood at a set of
lights waiting to cross a narrow bridge and the third on a model that I couldn't identify but was very customised gave us a big wave as he went passes in the opposite direction.. All this despite the fact that we are not even fellow motorcyclist but merely Honda appliance operators It may surprise you to know that whist we sat outside the hotel near the Fatboy we overheard many positive comments from all types of fellow guest from young couples to business men. This couldn't have been because they thought it was ours because we were dressed in non biking gear Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: " Jonhaddock@onetel.net" < jonhaddock@onetel.net> To: < W650riders@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about
getting rid of my w650 > > He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like to blat > about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic up, which > is > when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking order as > caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress. My issue with > the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley becauase they > want > to be seen as outlaws and the whole pipes thing is a reflection of that. > > The entire outlaw culture is as you know, mostly in the minds of people > predujiced against motorcycles so what these ignorent twats are doing are > actually creating a stereotype which ironically almost didn't exist. > > You see a hellova lot more mean dudes on stupidly loud Harleys today than > you ever did 20 years ago...And I lived one street away from the South > Coast > Angels HQ
for 5 years in the '90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a > friend of the Angels' dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440 > Ltd > but that was about it. > > Now, they are chugging about in packs... > > Jon > >
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
I'd buy it in a heartbeat, just for the freak-factor. And I like military
equipment.
Of course my big 40th is coming up at the end of the month, if anybody has
connections and wants to stuff one into a box....
Mil-Spec Jake
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From: Dick Tym rocker66@...
If they were to produce a civilian version of the diesel engined KLR I
would
certainly consider it for my daily commute
Dick
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> Think is, modern diesels are infinitely better than the old knockers of
yesteryear. You guys barely see the advances because your fuel is so crap
the particulate emmisions from ANY diesel engine are excessive, but over
here in the UK we have nice clean fuel. To give you an example, a typical
modern 1.4 diesel pumps out about 75 bhp or around 90 with a turbo. With a
chip tweak, around 125 bhp. That's with about 170 lbs ft of torque at 2000
rpm or less. The best 2 litre diesels make 180 bhp and will vhip to over
200 bhp along with 250 lbs ft at 1800 rpm.. They also rev to around 5000
rpm, making good power all the way. Compare that to any number of petrol
engines.
A well designed modern 1500cc V twin diesel could easily manage the 60 odd
bhp of a big Harley, but would have TWICE the torque at HALF the revs...or
even less than half!
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Thanks JV. But any concerns about switching over to synthetic when it wasn't used during "break-in"? Also, got any views about using the longer than stock Purolator PureOne Oil Filter? I've got just over 4000 miles on my W (got it last spring with only 250 miles!!!). I'm due for an O/C now, and feel a filter change wouldn't be a bad idea too. DB In W650riders@..., "jv_roberts2000" <jv_roberts2000@...> wrote:
It's the Shell Rotella-T 5w-40 synthetic I've read good things about
and what is in my W650 now. It's a common oil used for turbo
diesels so should do well in a Grand National I would think. Most Walmart's
have it for relatively cheap compared to other synthetics.....Mobil- 1 for example.
Vernon....Michigan ex-patriot, bought a Triumph T100C from Nicholsons some years back
#2 I've seen some mention about Shell Rotella 15W40
really smoothing out downshifts. True? Also, can the same be
accomplished with an additive? I onced tried the Rotella in my
Grand National because a buddy said it could handle the heat of the
turbo better than 5W30. In the end, I went back to 5W30 because the
slight increase in pressure from the Rotella gave me nothing in better
performance.
#5 Any members in Oakland County, Michigan.
Kindest Regards,
DB
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Strangely enough MOST of the HD riders I know do use their bikes. The annual mileage of most of the members of Invicta H.O.G. is quite high
Dick
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Touring motorcyclists are far more likely to buy a bike to enjoy rather than
as a fashion icon. It's like those little cars with sparkly paint jobs, fat
exhausts and see-through tail lights...Their natural habitat is in town
where they can be seen. Same with bad boy Harleys, they tend to stay fairly
local...Not much point in having a 'look at me/hear me' motorbike when you
are actually going somewhere.
I expect the ones that waved didn't notice the appliance brand so mistakenly
waved...I bet they were kicking themselves afterwards once they
realised...( joke)
The bike isn't the threat, The big Harleys are impressive and glamorous
machines especially to the uninformed. It is the attitude of many of the
riders and those with that particular 'Look at me I want you to think I'm
really hard and be scared' attitude tend to buy Harleys...
I can only assume that HD riders in your neck of the woods are very
different to those around here or you are riding around with a very
blinkered outlook. Whilst in Cornwall I came across 3 HD riders 1Fatboy
owner & partner staying in our hotel was very friendly another was a
Sportster rider whose pillion passenger spoke to us whilst we stood at a
set
of lights waiting to cross a narrow bridge and the third on a model that
I
couldn't identify but was very customised gave us a big wave as he went
passes in the opposite direction.. All this despite the fact that we are
not
even fellow motorcyclist but merely Honda appliance operators
It may surprise you to know that whist we sat outside the hotel near the
Fatboy we overheard many positive comments from all types of fellow guest
from young couples to business men. This couldn't have been because they
thought it was ours because we were dressed in non biking gear
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like to blat
about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic up, which
is
when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking order as
caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress. My issue with
the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley becauase they
want
to be seen as outlaws and the whole pipes thing is a reflection of that.
The entire outlaw culture is as you know, mostly in the minds of people
predujiced against motorcycles so what these ignorent twats are doing are
actually creating a stereotype which ironically almost didn't exist.
You see a hellova lot more mean dudes on stupidly loud Harleys today than
you ever did 20 years ago...And I lived one street away from the South
Coast
Angels HQ for 5 years in the '90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a
friend of the Angels' dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440
Ltd
but that was about it.
Now, they are chugging about in packs...
Jon
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Jon
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----- Original Message ----- From: "jv_roberts2000" <jv_roberts2000@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil/ Oil Additives It's the Shell Rotella-T 5w-40 synthetic I've read good things about
and what is in my W650 now. It's a common oil used for turbo diesels
so should do well in a Grand National I would think. Most Walmart's
have it for relatively cheap compared to other synthetics.....Mobil-1
for example.
Vernon....Michigan ex-patriot, bought a Triumph T100C from Nicholsons
some years back
#2 I've seen some mention about Shell Rotella 15W40
really smoothing out downshifts. True? Also, can the same be
accomplished with an additive? I onced tried the Rotella in my Grand
National because a buddy said it could handle the heat of the turbo
better than 5W30. In the end, I went back to 5W30 because the slight
increase in pressure from the Rotella gave me nothing in better
performance.
#5 Any members in Oakland County, Michigan.
Kindest Regards,
DB
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Touring motorcyclists are far more likely to buy a bike to enjoy rather than as a fashion icon. It's like those little cars with sparkly paint jobs, fat exhausts and see-through tail lights...Their natural habitat is in town where they can be seen. Same with bad boy Harleys, they tend to stay fairly local...Not much point in having a 'look at me/hear me' motorbike when you are actually going somewhere.
I expect the ones that waved didn't notice the appliance brand so mistakenly waved...I bet they were kicking themselves afterwards once they realised...( joke)
The bike isn't the threat, The big Harleys are impressive and glamorous machines especially to the uninformed. It is the attitude of many of the riders and those with that particular 'Look at me I want you to think I'm really hard and be scared' attitude tend to buy Harleys...
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I can only assume that HD riders in your neck of the woods are very
different to those around here or you are riding around with a very
blinkered outlook. Whilst in Cornwall I came across 3 HD riders 1Fatboy
owner & partner staying in our hotel was very friendly another was a
Sportster rider whose pillion passenger spoke to us whilst we stood at a set
of lights waiting to cross a narrow bridge and the third on a model that I
couldn't identify but was very customised gave us a big wave as he went
passes in the opposite direction.. All this despite the fact that we are not
even fellow motorcyclist but merely Honda appliance operators
It may surprise you to know that whist we sat outside the hotel near the
Fatboy we overheard many positive comments from all types of fellow guest
from young couples to business men. This couldn't have been because they
thought it was ours because we were dressed in non biking gear
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like to blat
about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic up, which
is
when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking order as
caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress. My issue with
the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley becauase they
want
to be seen as outlaws and the whole pipes thing is a reflection of that.
The entire outlaw culture is as you know, mostly in the minds of people
predujiced against motorcycles so what these ignorent twats are doing are
actually creating a stereotype which ironically almost didn't exist.
You see a hellova lot more mean dudes on stupidly loud Harleys today than
you ever did 20 years ago...And I lived one street away from the South
Coast
Angels HQ for 5 years in the '90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a
friend of the Angels' dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440
Ltd
but that was about it.
Now, they are chugging about in packs...
Jon
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
?
That ties in with what I've come to realise.
When something in your vicinity presents itself as a threat, you remember it
and keep it within your mind's sphere of awareness. When something does not
threaten you, you dismiss it. That's why people say 'I didn't see you'. They
DID see you, but they dismissed you from their perception because we only
register predators or prey.
?
Ironically, the more safety clothing you wear,
the more mainstream and unthreatening you appear and the less you register as
a threat to people. Ergo, they pull out in front of you.
?
Less fluorescent jackets and more machine
guns...That's the ticket!
The ones you see today are yuppies trying to look bad.?
Half of them have fake pony tails attached to their do-rags. They want
to?look like?the guy they were afraid of when they were
younger!? These days it's so widely known that most of them are
hairdressers, CPA's or lawyers, that the mystique is long gone.? Nobody
is afraid of a motorcyclist anymore, and that's a? shame.? I was a
lot safer on my bike when people were afraid of bikers. They gave me plenty of
room, and NO ONE pulled out in front of me.? Nowadays, riding is scary to
the biker!
"Jonhaddock@..."
wrote:
He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like to
blat about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic up,
which is when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking order
as caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress. My issue
with the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley becauase
they want to be seen as outlaws and the whole pipes thing is a
reflection of that. The entire outlaw culture is as you know, mostly
in the minds of people predujiced against motorcycles so what these
ignorent twats are doing are actually creating a stereotype which
ironically almost didn't exist. You see a hellova lot more mean dudes
on stupidly loud Harleys today than you ever did 20 years ago...And I
lived one street away from the South Coast Angels HQ for 5 years in the
'90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a friend of the Angels'
dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440 Ltd but that was
about it. Now, they are chugging about in
packs... Jon > maybe that guy was trying but the majority
of Sportster riders are happy > to > cruise around which is why
they buy this type of bike in the first place. > Unlike you I no
longer feel that I have to compete with other riders so I > just ride
at the speed I feel happiest with at the time and if others want > to
roar past me then so be it. Having said that sometimes I am the one >
doing > the passing.for this reason I can enjoy both my bikes in
completely > different ways > Dick > ----- Original
Message ----- > From: " Jonhaddock@onetel.net" < jonhaddock@onetel.net> >
To: < W650riders@yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re:
Thinking about getting rid of my
w650 > > >> >> No, this guy came gunning past
on a bend while I was accelerating out of >> a >> thirty
limit. I was two up and was taking it easy accordingly. His >>
exhausts >> were loud enough to startle me. I knew he and his mates
were behind and >> so >> I >> was not only
keeping well in front so as not to inconvenience them, but I >> had
shifted down into fourth to ensure I would be accelerating briskly
so >> any cruising Harleys would be able to blat away without
getting any pesky >> Jap bikes in the way of their stately
progress. He was trying about as >> hard >> as he could. I
was doing 95 in third, shifting into fourth, and cranked >>
hard >> over when I went past him and the Harley's induction note
still drowned >> out >> the W...He was wide open and
trying hard. >> >> > > > > Go to
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
If they were to produce a civilian version of the diesel engined KLR I would certainly consider it for my daily commute
Dick
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Think is, modern diesels are infinitely better than the old knockers of
yesteryear. You guys barely see the advances because your fuel is so crap
the particulate emmisions from ANY diesel engine are excessive, but over
here in the UK we have nice clean fuel. To give you an example, a typical
modern 1.4 diesel pumps out about 75 bhp or around 90 with a turbo. With a
chip tweak, around 125 bhp. That's with about 170 lbs ft of torque at 2000
rpm or less. The best 2 litre diesels make 180 bhp and will vhip to over
200 bhp along with 250 lbs ft at 1800 rpm.. They also rev to around 5000
rpm, making good power all the way. Compare that to any number of petrol
engines.
A well designed modern 1500cc V twin diesel could easily manage the 60 odd
bhp of a big Harley, but would have TWICE the torque at HALF the revs...or
even less than half!
That would be nice, don't you think?
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Think is, modern diesels are infinitely better than the old knockers of yesteryear. You guys barely see the advances because your fuel is so crap the particulate emmisions from ANY diesel engine are excessive, but over here in the UK we have nice clean fuel. To give you an example, a typical modern 1.4 diesel pumps out about 75 bhp or around 90 with a turbo. With a chip tweak, around 125 bhp. That's with about 170 lbs ft of torque at 2000 rpm or less. The best 2 litre diesels make 180 bhp and will vhip to over 200 bhp along with 250 lbs ft at 1800 rpm.. They also rev to around 5000 rpm, making good power all the way. Compare that to any number of petrol engines. A well designed modern 1500cc V twin diesel could easily manage the 60 odd bhp of a big Harley, but would have TWICE the torque at HALF the revs...or even less than half! That would be nice, don't you think? I gave serious consideration to putting a 20 horse Kubota engine of mine into an old 78 Gold Wing... but I'm getting too old to waste time on those kinds of projects!--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
I can certainly 'get' what you are saying. I often ride
slowly...Both my Honda 50's barely manage 35 and a few years ago I crossed Zimbabwe on a 55mph 125 CB92.
I rather like the idea of a big loafing thing like a Harley in
some respects, but If I'm looking for low revs and low end grunt I'd far prefer my Harley to have a diesel engine...I'd probably buy one then!
Jon
I'm speaking as a prior owner. In regard to smooth shifting,
vibration and top-heaviness, I agree. In terms of riding balance and handling, both my 883 and my1200 were good bikes. In terms of performance, my 883 was a slacker, but my 1200 would haul butt. In terms of reliability and ease of maintenance, all of my Harleys were hands down the most reliable and easist to work on. But it's the intangibles that make the Harley a Harley - the feel of the engine at mid and low throttle, the styling, the personality. As the old saying goes, if ya gotta ask... On performance, all stock harleys are extremely restricted and can easiloy and cheaply make 25% to 50% more power. A stock EVO big twin averages 46 hp out of the box, and easily make 80hp with nothing but simple intake and exhaust changes. Most Japanese bikes will stomp a Harley in an all-out drag, but at everyday loafing throttle, a harley's huge low-end torque keeps it ahead of the pack effortlessly. Effort is the key. Do you want to be revving your bike to the limit all of the time to make it perform? The Harley is the big block Chevy of the motorcycle world....shhesh; I'm about to talk myself into another harley....
"larry.botheras@..." <larry.botheras@...> wrote:
I'm afraid I am speaking from a position of knowledge...
Second worst bike I ever rode... the worst was an 883
----Original Message----
From: eustisgary@...
Date: 16/07/2007 1:41
To: <W650riders@...>
Subj: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my
w650
Have you actually ridden a 1200 Sporty?--- In
W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras"
<larry.botheras@> wrote:
>
> Think long and hard. unless it's tricked up the 1200 sporty will feel
> slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD never quote)
> but it is a lot heavier
>
>
>
> From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On
> Behalf Of John
> Sent: 11 July 2007 06:39
> To: W650riders@...
> Subject: [W650riders] Thinking about getting rid of my w650 >
>
>
> I found a sportster 1200r that's tempting me to get rid of the w. What
> are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster?
>
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It's the Shell Rotella-T 5w-40 synthetic I've read good things about
and what is in my W650 now. It's a common oil used for turbo diesels
so should do well in a Grand National I would think. Most Walmart's
have it for relatively cheap compared to other synthetics.....Mobil-1
for example.
Vernon....Michigan ex-patriot, bought a Triumph T100C from Nicholsons
some years back
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#2 I've seen some mention about Shell Rotella 15W40
really smoothing out downshifts. True? Also, can the same be
accomplished with an additive? I onced tried the Rotella in my Grand
National because a buddy said it could handle the heat of the turbo
better than 5W30. In the end, I went back to 5W30 because the slight
increase in pressure from the Rotella gave me nothing in better
performance.
#5 Any members in Oakland County, Michigan.
Kindest Regards,
DB
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Good point John. There have also been cases of
portraying a false image?involving members of this group who have put
badges of marques on their Kawasaksi in attempt to make people think that they
are British
Dick
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking
about getting rid of my w650
The ones you see today are yuppies trying to look bad.?
Half of them have fake pony tails attached to their do-rags. They want
to?look like?the guy they were afraid of when they were
younger!? These days it's so widely known that most of them are
hairdressers, CPA's or lawyers, that the mystique is long gone.? Nobody
is afraid of a motorcyclist anymore, and that's a? shame.? I was a
lot safer on my bike when people were afraid of bikers. They gave me plenty of
room, and NO ONE pulled out in front of me.? Nowadays, riding is scary to
the biker!
"Jonhaddock@..."
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
I can only assume that HD riders in your neck of the woods are very different to those around here or you are riding around with a very blinkered outlook. Whilst in Cornwall I came across 3 HD riders 1Fatboy owner & partner staying in our hotel was very friendly another was a Sportster rider whose pillion passenger spoke to us whilst we stood at a set of lights waiting to cross a narrow bridge and the third on a model that I couldn't identify but was very customised gave us a big wave as he went passes in the opposite direction.. All this despite the fact that we are not even fellow motorcyclist but merely Honda appliance operators
It may surprise you to know that whist we sat outside the hotel near the Fatboy we overheard many positive comments from all types of fellow guest from young couples to business men. This couldn't have been because they thought it was ours because we were dressed in non biking gear
Dick
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He was trying. I'm sure that the majority of Harley owners like to blat
about slowly. That was never my issue unless they hold traffic up, which is
when they become as arrogant and as low down the pecking order as
caravanners who don't pull over for people...but I digress. My issue with
the majoritry of Harley riders is that they buy a Harley becauase they want
to be seen as outlaws and the whole pipes thing is a reflection of that.
The entire outlaw culture is as you know, mostly in the minds of people
predujiced against motorcycles so what these ignorent twats are doing are
actually creating a stereotype which ironically almost didn't exist.
You see a hellova lot more mean dudes on stupidly loud Harleys today than
you ever did 20 years ago...And I lived one street away from the South Coast
Angels HQ for 5 years in the '90's. Back then, there was the odd 'I'm a
friend of the Angels' dickhead on his stolen and matt black Kawasaki 440 Ltd
but that was about it.
Now, they are chugging about in packs...
Jon
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I gave serious consideration to putting a 20 horse Kubota engine of mine into an old 78 Gold Wing... but I'm getting too old to waste time on those kinds of projects!--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
I can certainly 'get' what you are saying. I often ride
slowly...Both my Honda 50's barely manage 35 and a few years ago I crossed Zimbabwe on a 55mph 125 CB92.
I rather like the idea of a big loafing thing like a Harley in
some respects, but If I'm looking for low revs and low end grunt I'd far prefer my Harley to have a diesel engine...I'd probably buy one then!
Jon
I'm speaking as a prior owner. In regard to smooth shifting,
vibration and top-heaviness, I agree. In terms of riding balance and handling, both my 883 and my1200 were good bikes. In terms of performance, my 883 was a slacker, but my 1200 would haul butt. In terms of reliability and ease of maintenance, all of my Harleys were hands down the most reliable and easist to work on. But it's the intangibles that make the Harley a Harley - the feel of the engine at mid and low throttle, the styling, the personality. As the old saying goes, if ya gotta ask... On performance, all stock harleys are extremely restricted and can easiloy and cheaply make 25% to 50% more power. A stock EVO big twin averages 46 hp out of the box, and easily make 80hp with nothing but simple intake and exhaust changes. Most Japanese bikes will stomp a Harley in an all-out drag, but at everyday loafing throttle, a harley's huge low-end torque keeps it ahead of the pack effortlessly. Effort is the key. Do you want to be revving your bike to the limit all of the time to make it perform? The Harley is the big block Chevy of the motorcycle world....shhesh; I'm about to talk myself into another harley....
"larry.botheras@..." <larry.botheras@...> wrote:
I'm afraid I am speaking from a position of knowledge...
Second worst bike I ever rode... the worst was an 883
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From: eustisgary@...
Date: 16/07/2007 1:41
To: <W650riders@...>
Subj: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my
w650
Have you actually ridden a 1200 Sporty?--- In
W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras"
<larry.botheras@> wrote:
>
> Think long and hard. unless it's tricked up the 1200 sporty will feel
> slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD never quote)
> but it is a lot heavier
>
>
>
> From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On
> Behalf Of John
> Sent: 11 July 2007 06:39
> To: W650riders@...
> Subject: [W650riders] Thinking about getting rid of my w650 >
>
>
> I found a sportster 1200r that's tempting me to get rid of the w. What
> are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster?
>
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